we learned not long ago that there will be no vote in the house tonight on the president's bipartisan infrastructure bill. the house was working until late tonight, trying to work out a deal that would allow the bill to come to the floor. house speaker nancy pelosi had vowed that tonight's vote would go on. but she famously refuses to bring a bill to the floor unless she is fairly certain it's going to pass. she spent the day and a large part of tonight trying to get liberal democrats to support it, but they refused to do so until the senate passed the president's $3.5 trillion social safety net bill. the two democrats over in the senate who have put themselves at the center of this current fight, the aforementioned manchin and sinema, aforementioned because their names are used o'not this broadcast every night, feel that the big social spending bill is too big. they've both been criticized for not coming up with a specific counteroffer. both senators are, again, listed as democrats. hard to tell how many friends they have left among democrats in the caucus. both could end up playing a huge role in hobbling their own president. one development today when politico reported on a written document from july 28 in which manchin outlines his proposals for that giant spending bill. the senator floated a maximum spending amount of 1.5 trillion. by the way, 2 trillion less than what the president wants. that document was signed by both manchin and the senate democratic leader chuck schumer. this afternoon manchin explained his position. >> i brought to 1.5 as you've seen by now. the 1.5 was always done from my heart basically what we could do and not jeopardize, not jeopardize our economy. i've never been a liberal in any way, shape or the form. i have voted pretty consistently all my whole life. i don't fault any of them who believe they're much more progressive and much more liberal. god bless them. and all they need to do is we have to elect more i guess for them to get theirs, elect more liberals. >> meanwhile, some house democrats, speaking of liberals, say that manchin's spending limit of 1.5 trillion was a surprise to them. >> i don't think anybody in the house, leadership on down, probably knew about this number until this -- you know, very recently. >> now, there is also the stalemate between democrats and republicans, the traditional kind, over raising the cap on how much our country can borrow. treasury secretary janet yellen has told lawmakers they have until october 18 to act. at that point our country will be unable to pay its bills. no other way to put it. today, though, yellen told house members it was time to abolish this notion of a debt limit entirely because it has become destructive in her view. we have a lot to talk about tonight. with that let's bring in our starting line on this busy thursday evening. first and from the home team, shannon pettypiece, veteran journalist, our senior white house reporter over at nbc news digital. we are reunited as well tonight with two of our friends from the "post," ashley parker, pulitzer prize-winning white house bureau chief for the "washington post." and robert costa, national political reporter. his latest book, co-authored with his friend and colleague bob woodward called "peril" is now of course a "new york times" best-seller. and robert, i'd like to begin with you. you're in touch with folks at the capitol. what's the reaction going to be with the way pelosi played this tonight? >> there's concern in democratic ranks that this thing's on the rocks. but speaker pelosi, as you said, only brings a bill to the floor if she's confident in the votes. and she's trying to play on different fronts here to make sure that schumer doesn't feel like he's in a corner. she's working closely with the white house, brian dease and others and susan rice are over at her office talking you this this evening to try to come up with a deal. and they know that manchin, senator manchin felt burned earlier in the year. and our book shows this. about the rescue plan, mitch mcconnell and other republicans feel manchin may have been asked to do too much earlier in the year and maybe he's going to sit on the sidelines for a while. so democrats are dealing with that dynamic. but speaker pelosi is trying to balance reality of the vote with the concerns of her progressives. she's close to the progressives. she doesn't want to get too far from them. >> shannon, the lights were on in the west wing including the oval office until just a short time ago when the press corps was sent home. i guess there was a chance that the president was going to go down to the hill if his presence was scald for. no more of that, we're told he's returned to the residence. what's going to be said about how the white house has been playing this? >> yeah, well, my colleague kelly o'donnell, who is working the late shift there, said it was at least until 9:00 p.m. that the president was in the west wing and white house staffers appeared like they were ready for a late night and continued to work on until there was a vote. we just got a statement a little while ago from press secretary jen psaki saying -- essentially thanking democrats for trying to work out some sort of deal saying they're just going to need more time, they're going to continue that work starting tomorrow morning. and then emphasizing, as they have increasingly been doing so, that while democrats have some differences they agree on a lot. and on the broader themes and goals that the president is working for here. a hint of what the messaging is going to be like coming from the white house. we do know the president was behind closed doors most of the day. he was making phone calls to leadership, to other members of congress. staff were coming in and out of the oval office, bringing him updates. and a lot of his focus the past few days have been on those two senators you mentioned and have mentioned many times and trying to get them to reach some sort of agreement because without that there really wouldn't be any way to move those house progressives forward. and the white house certainly acknowledged that. >> so ashley parker, congresswoman jayapal, democrat washington state who heads the progressive caucus in the house, sent out a tweet tonight, speaking through social media, though more directly than most people, addressed the house speaker. "stick to the plan. pass both bills together." ashley, talk about how much of a sea change this is with the liberals palpably splitting off, knowing that by doing so a couple more of these votes go down or aren't held, you have hobbled the president's agenda. >> well, yeah, what you're seeing here are the house progressives really coming into their own and flexing their muscle. they have always been a strong voice, but now they have their own internal whip operation. they're a big group. representative jayapal has shown that she can hold that group together. and keep in mind leader pelosi can only lose three votes. and their message, there's a lot of frustration when manchin's number of 1.5 trillion came up because you have to keep in mind it's not just less than half of the current reconciliation proposal but that for the progressives started at 6 trillion. so it's really 1/6 of what they wanted, which is simply unacceptable to them. and their argument which they have also stated quite clearly is this is why democrats were elected, this is why we won the white house, the senate, and the house, because of this build back better agenda. not to do incremental things but to do big bold progressive things. and that is the bet that they're staking out tonight at least. >> robert costa, the reporting is right there in your new book about joe manchin. it goes back to the covid relief bill, about what he was like then. the kind of phone calls, face time with the president. his critics call it hand holding that he required before he signed on. probably instructive for all those trying to figure out what's going on now. >> they used to call it the treatment with lbj. the pressure from a president to a senator or a member of congress to come along. when you read "peril," we detail vividly how president biden at times uses curses, he uses pressure to try to get manchin to come along. and what's so interesting about this in the book but in this unfolding story right now on capitol hill is president biden, the so-called centrist from delaware, has been in lock-step working closely with progressives during his presidency and an ally of senator bernie sanders, of congresswoman jayapal and others. and you see the real tension with the white house and congress is not necessarily with the progressives even though that's the fight tonight. it's with senator manchin and at times senator sinema. biden is not the biden of 2011 cutting deals with mitch mcconnell. and this is a real test for his whole presidency because he's wanted to work so closely with the left wing and now he's really at a crossroads, can this continue, what he started with the rescue plan. >> shannon pettypiece, anybody still worried about the debt ceiling? >> that does increasingly seem like a problem we're going to worry about like on monday next week or maybe the second week in october, when janet yellen is worried that we're going to run out on that. they did get one item crossed off the list, and that is we are not going to have a government shutdown in the next few days. we may still have a government shutdown in the next few months. but at least that one is off the list. and the president tried to use that a bit today to say look, we can still work together, we can still function even though it is at kind of one of the most basic levels. one thing i would just note to what robert was talking about as to how this president has tried to pressure and influence different elements of his party, i think it has been interesting to watch and wonder about what type of leverage he does have over these players right now. what leverage does he actually have over a senator joe manchin? if this was a trump presidency you would have heard trump threatening to primary someone, threatening to go hold a rally in their home district. that obviously wasn't often effective but it was a tactic that he used. this president is a lot more behind closed doors, keeping those conversations private. but at the end of the day if you're in a red state like joe manchin or a solidly blue district like some of the house progressives, what leverage does a president have over you? and i don't think that's clear at this point. >> ashley, you recently wrote about the concerns over the return of one donald trump possibly in 2024. and as we're having this conversation, make no mistake. this is where the democrats come in. this is the part they get to play in this. if it's going to be a cracked party, it's through those cracks that the light will come in that they don't want to admit. >> that's exactly right. and sort of the big story is unfolding on capitol hill. but roiling in the background, again, is the former president. he is increasingly making clear to people close to him that he plans to run in 2024. again, the caveat is with donald trump nothing is final until it's final and even then it's not always really final to be honest. but he was in georgia for a rally the other night. this saturday he's going to be in des moines, iowa for another rally. and what you're seeing is democrats i've talked to, experts on democracy and the constitution are deeply worried about what a second trump run and potentially a second trump win would mean. so you have the democrats, the progressives, the moderates making their own calculations right now intraparty, intracaucus. but they are also aware of what a trump run, the rise of trump again could mean. although one final thing. in talking to people in the white house, they actually think that right now the best thing that could possibly happen for them, which seems unlikely, is donald trump suddenly declaring he's running because that takes a lot of the pressure off of them and puts the pressure on the former president's controversial statement. >> interesting. robert costa, how do the republicans play this, elected republicans in washington? and i guess your answer is going to begin with by simply doing nothing and watching it all unfold. >> they're watching from the sidelines. and when i talk to republicans with woodward for "peril" it's clear mcconnell and others think biden's going to move. they've signaled enough for some kind of movement on these issues over the spring and summer. but no interest in any kind of bipartisanship. if it's a legislative act at the level of spending that's currently on the table. and there's a belief inside the republican party right now, to build on ashley's excellent point that even if trump comes back they're going to also run in 2022 against the biden administration on afghanistan and they're wanting to see, based on my conversations with republicans for the book, stuff like infrastructure collapse. and that's what they're really watching. infrastructure at this level of spending. so they can blame the democrats as a party in disarray and that doesn't provide on the key issues like infrastructure. and that's part of the pressure on senator manchin and others. can they come together to help the democrats get something done to argue to voters in 2022 that the biden administration and democrats achieved what they wanted, not only with the early rescue plan but on the infrastructure, such a vital issue for many swing areas in the country, and areas that are not swing political districts. >> and again for folks just joining us, the vote for tonight is off. all we know is the house may be in session as early as 9:00 a.m. tomorrow. a whole lot of talking going on in washington tonight. we've been part of it. great thanks to our starting line this evening. to shannon pettypiece. to ashley parker and robert costa. thank you very much for starting off our conversation and reacting to this breaking news. coming up for us, they have been called simanchin. manchinema. we'll talk about these two senators. again, both actually democrats with the ability and maybe the desire somehow to hobble their own president's agenda beneath that dome. and later, this was a bad day in the brief history of the pandemic in terms of the staggering loss we have suffered thus far. one of our top doctors standing by to explain why we aren't giving up anytime soon. 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"an ode to saint joe manchin. democrats are mad at joe manchin. they ought to be grateful for him. saint joe is the one man standing between you and majority leader mitch doing everything in his power to tank the biden agenda." please share your thinking with the audience, tim. >> i know that might not be a popular one. me and juanita have been agreeing too much lately anyway. so happy to disagree on this one. joe biden got 28% of the vote in joe manchin's state. 28%. against donald trump after that catastrophe we saw the last four years. what joe manchin has on the table right now is passing an infrastructure bill that's going to fix every lead pipe in the country and do all kinds of things for climate and our roads and bridges and public transportation. another 1.5 trillion that is double the size of the obama stimulus, by the way, that is going to go to working families and families with kids that need extra assistance. he's going to pay for that by getting rid of the carried interest tax loophole on the hedge fund guys and raising the top tax bracket. liberals should be running around the country blowing their horns, having a celebration, throwing confetti on the streets and saying look at all the great stuff we're doing for you. that's what democrats should be doing today. why they're having this fight does not make any sense to me either as a political matter, because it seems like what they're doing is -- in the infrastructure bill is not a big deal that will make a difference in the lives of americans, which it will, and on a policy level. i hear what juanita's saying but i don't understand how threatening to tank the infrastructure bill is going to motivate joe manchin, who is in a state where only 28% of the people voted for joe biden, to want to spend more money. the best ad joe manchin could run in west virginia is "i was the man standing between aoc and the socialist left." that might get him elected senator for life there. so they have no leverage. it doesn't make sense to me in a political level. it doesn't make sense to me as a policy -- from a policy level. >> juanita, please share with our audience some of the affection i know you have for manchin and sinema right about now. >> look -- >> sinema is a different story, by the way. >> she is. but here's the thing. their language is not that far off because here's the thing. when manchin said i didn't think this was necessary, it's like he doesn't think that west virginians are struggling. right? struggling with child care. struggling with pre-k. struggling with a whole host of things that will be resolved in this reconciliation package. and tim, we have to level set. look, people can support trump and still want help. they can support trump and still know that they're struggling to secure their basic needs like housing, struggling to respond to the changing climate in their own communities. they can still want this type of help even if they support trump. i think the other part is, again, the harmful language that we're hearing that it creates this obstructionist posture. like tim said, sinema is a different issue here. when manchin is actually throwing out a number. a ridiculously low number. but he's at least providing a framework, providing a number. on the other hand, with sinema we get weird jokes in & responses that are completely unproductive. and as we know have prompted a pac to be started in arizona to get a challenger to primary her when she's up for re-election in 2024. so what it comes back to is i do think most of the people involved in these negotiations want to see this move forward, want to see it successful and want to deliver on biden's agenda. and when it comes to manchin, i think he's included in that group. but sinema, i'm not so sure what she's doing these days. >> tim, here's the problem. sooner or later all elected democrats are going to have to decide -- and the leadership i'm sure is telling them this tonight in no uncertain terms. are you on the train or not? are you behind this president succeeding? because if you're not we just had a four-year preview of the alternative. >> absolutely. and luckily, we're still 14 months away from the midterms. so the democrats hopefully have some time to, you know, pull this together and get the messaging together on this. you know, if the democrats lose the house, as we all know, next move, someone that literally supported an insurrection against the government to keep donald trump in power against the will of the people would be -- so it's incumbent on the democrats that they are smart and strategic. and so i get nervous when i hear things like 1.5 trillion, that's a little low, or this isn't going to be that good. let's see some showmanship and some bravado and working together and talking about all the great stuff the people are going to be getting and paid for by tax -- by tax hikes at the top levels. these are things the american people support. and i just think the message on this right now is very muddled and hopefully they've got some time to figure it out because they have a big job ahead of them. >> so juanita, would you buy what i'm getting from tim is two different messages? number one, memo to democrats, don't let great become the enemy of the good. tim, nod up and down if i'm correct. and message to democrats. get your messaging apparatus in gear and try telling americans from west virginia to wyoming what they're going to get out of this and who delivered it. >> what he said. >> here's the thing, though. in both of those points they still need to deliver both of these bills. they still need to deliver biden's agenda to be able to have that concrete message for the midterms, hey, vote for democrats, we deliver for you. right? like that still needs to happen first. >> tim, how high are your hopes running that that's all going to happen? >> my hopes aren't that high if i'm being honest. i'm hopeful. but i'm not optimistic. let's put it that way. look, i just think that when we're talking about b.i.f. and b.b.b. and reconciliation and we need both bills and we need all this stuff together, i'm not talking about juanita here, i'm talking about what i'm hearing from democrats, like this is confusing to people. and so what i would like to see is getting these two bills passed, having one, two, three talking points on what the main takeaways are, the child tax credits, the roads and brings, the fixing of the lead pipes, whatever it is that's polling the best. and focusing on that rather than these d.c. games back and forth between the members with all the acronyms. i don't like that as much. >> big thanks to two friends of this broadcast for coming on on an important night and having an honest conversation about all of it it it it. juanita tolliver, tim miller. thank you both. greatly appreciated. coming up for us, we'll talk to matthew dowd about his big announcement this week. big for him. big in the world of texas politics as well. ♪ lights out, follow the noise. ♪ ♪ baby, keep on dancing like you ain't got a choice. ♪ ♪ so come one (come on), come on (come on), come on. ♪ no one is just one flavor. ow! your shipping manager left to “find themself.” leaving you lost. you need to hire. i need indeed. indeed you do. indeed instant match instantly delivers quality candidates matching your job description. visit indeed.com/hire ♪ i see trees of green ♪ matching your job description. ♪ red roses too ♪ ♪ i see them bloom for me and you ♪ (music) ♪ so i think to myself ♪ ♪ oh what a wonderful world ♪ enough is enough. we need more officials who tell the truth. who believe in public service and common sense with common decency for the common good. dan patrick believes in none of those. and that is why i am running for the powerful office of lieutenant governor of this great state. >> you probably recognize that man, our next guest, as a guest on this network and this broadcast frequently. after a lifetime in republican politics and having watched what is happening in his own state of texas, he made a major announcement this week, as you saw. we are pleased to have back with us tonight matthew dowd, former strategist to george w. bush among others, now running as a democrat to be the lieutenant governor of texas. and matt, i'm curious, what one event was it? because the list as i put it together here, just some scratchings, the power grid failure, there are aa batteries with more power capacity than the texas power grid, the voting restrictions, the abortion restrictions, and oh yeah, the trump-ordered audit of the counties he lost. was there any one of those that made your toe tap more than the others? >> you can add to it allowing openly carrying handguns without a permit or a license. they also did it at the same time. so add that one to the list. i mean, and you're right, it's hard to pick one. it's like when somebody asks me what's my top favorite movie of all time and i'll usually name five. it's hard to pick one. i would say the event that precipitated my beginning to think about this was january 6th. and what happened there. because i actually think that is a significant event in our nation's history as any. probably the most significant event of what happened to our democracy since the opening shots of the civil war. and that event began to me to think like i need to really get more involved. and i hadn't decided i'm going to run for office at that point, but it basically turned me to the sense that we all have to figure out what we need to do. and then over time i started to think about it and i thought, you know, i need to do something, i'm at a place in my life where i've been blessed and i care about this state, i love this state, but i hate our politics. and you can believe both of those things at the same time. and then over the course of the sessions that they had, all of this awful stuff that you mentioned, and they're hurting texans, just going out of their way cruelly and cravenly to hurt texans. and i just decided as i said enough's enough. and so i'm going to offer my candidacy. i'm going to spend the next 400 days just telling the truth about dan patrick, the lieutenant governor. and he's not going to like it. but i'm just going to tell the texans the truth and that we can do better. we can have public service in the capitol again where we don't have it. and we can have truth and facts and science can lead policy and not cravenness. >> i know that you insist upon believing that there still is a rational center out there. and here's the question. how does a lifelong texas republican convince democrats, convince moderates that as glinda the good witch said, it's safe to come out. >> well, as you probably know, i started my life as a democrat. i actually got elected the last democratic lieutenant governor of texas, bob bullock, i ran his campaigns in '90 and '94 and helped dan richards, the last democratic elected governor of the state of texas. so i do have a pedigree in it. i obviously went to work for george w. bush. my view is we're at a crucial point and really the teams line up like this. and i've had this conversation with you, brian, before. the teams line up either you're for democracy and for the constitution and for the rule of law and for basic human values that we teach our children and we were taught as children, or you're not. those are the two sides in this. and my feeling is that democrats at this point are open to the idea of having a big tent and a big table and a large team with a large roster. and it doesn't matter if you wore a red jersey before or a purple jersey or a green jersey or whatever. you're on the same team if you share those values. and that's my expectation and my hope, that we're at that point in time where there can be a re-alignment because the republicans are so out of step with where the majority of the country is. and to me we need a republican party that's reasonable. but my view is the only path to a reasonable republican party is they need to be beaten up and down the ballot so that they finally turn away from where they've turned to and back to some sense of reasonableness where eisenhower was or teddy roosevelt was or even ronald reagan was, they turn back to that reasonableness. but they're not going to do it on their own and the democratic party today is the only vehicle available to make that happen. >> 60 seconds remaining. you know they're going to go to the mattresses and you know about the kind of money they're going to raise on the other side. so what's your tactic to deal with that, that disparity? >> well, the incumbent lieutenant governor already has $20 million mainly funded by large corporations that got what they wanted through the course of the legislative sessions, especially in the electric grid. and one thing real quick to understand is they didn't fix the grid. they lied about it. they blamed it on the green new deal which it had nothing to do with. and the only legislation they passed in this session was they made it easier to charge rate payers more. they didn't fix it, they just made it easier to charge rate payers more. i know i'm going to be up against a large sum. i think there's a ton of grassroots money out there that people in texas are just so frustrated and so fed up. but they want an idea that they can win. and i hope in the course of this campaign the way i fight, the way i push and the way i'll stand up for all texans is they'll see somebody that can actually win this office and take it back from the republicans. and then we can get back to some normal policy conversations. we can come back to a state capitol that actually functions properly. and so i think there's enough texans out there that have been so pushed around in the course of what the republicans have done they're ready to give somebody a shot. >> matthew dowd, newly minted candidate for lieutenant governor in the great state of texas. thank you very much for spending some of your time with us tonight. always good to see you, matthew. coming up for us, a critical care doctor who has fought through the worst of the pandemic is here to reflect on yet another sad milestone we just learned about our country. welcome to allstate. where you can pay a little less and enjoy the ride a little more. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ now, get new lower auto rates with allstate. because better protection costs a whole lot less. you're in good hands with allstate. click or call for a lower auto rate today. one of my favorite supplements is qunol turmeric. turmeric helps with yohealthy jointsands with allstate. and inflammation support. unlike regular turmeric supplements qunol's superior absorption helps me get the full benefits of turmeric. the brand i trust is qunol. tonight, i'll be eating a buffalo chicken panini with extra hot sauce. tonight, i'll be eating salmon sushi with a japanese jiggly cheesecake. 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(horse neighing) elton: nas? yeah? spare a pound? what? you know, bones, shillings, lolly? lolly? bangers and mash? i'm... i'm sorry? i don't have any money. you don't look broke. elton: my rocket is skint! according to our own nbc news count, earlier today our country crossed 700,000 deaths from the coronavirus pandemic. right now we're still averaging about 2,000 deaths every day. on top of that the cdc's own data shows over 69 million eligible americans have yet to receive their first vaccine dose. almost 70 million people. back with us again tonight, importantly dr. vin gupta, critical care pull monologist out in seattle who advises us on public health and has throughout this ordeal. he's on the faculty at the university of washington institute for health metrics and evaluation. doctor, i hate to start with such a grim mark, but with 700,000 of our brothers and sisters, our fellow citizens gone, what kind of harbinger might that be? what does that tell you if anything about the future near or far? >> good evening, brian. great to see you. i'll say for all your viewers out there that the months ahead we have a choice. we have projections from the institute for health metrics and evaluation. i think we might be able to show that to all your viewers. perfect. what you're seeing here is a wide range of possibilities. for everybody looking at this there's that orange line which is pretty dramatic. and then there's what we think might happen, which is about 1,000 daily deaths, brian, day over day well into the winter time. that worst case scenario where we're seeing peaking death rates, 3,000 daily deaths, that's within our ability to control. and yet we're aw moving around now more. we're going to sporting events. we're going to other concerts indoors, under certain guardrails. schools are reopening. the ability to make sure we have safeguard measures in place in schools that we're going out in public doing all the right things, being fully vaccinated when we're going to sporting events, that is going to be the difference between the worst case scenario and what is unfortunately a plateau, 1,000 daily deaths entering cold and flu season. still not acceptable but the better case scenario. >> always a terrible thing when americans lose a job, especially after what folks have been through. but interestingly, united airlines reports just about everybody came around as the firing deadline, their vaccine mandate came to fruition. they've had to lay off -- you see there in the headline a number of unvaccinated stuff has dropped from 593 to 320. that's a tiny fraction of their employees. what does that tell you? >> that most people that are unvaccinated either, brian, have not filled out the paperwork and submitted it to hr, which is the case often, that they just didn't document it, or more commonly that they had questions. we need to remember, kaiser family foundation, for example, just came out with a survey suggesting most people to date that are unvaccinated have questions. they're scared. most of these people now are asking those questions. they're seeking out information. they're getting vaccinated in droves once they get those questions answered. it's the hardest thing. direct engagement. it's the hardest thing to scale, but when we do it we're met with good results, brian. >> doctor, i saw some british study data that indicates that people in the uk getting their second vaccine shot coupled with their seasonal flu shot, the data looks very good. there's no significant risk. so i want to know how you feel about that. and even people who have the access and means to get that booster, people who are within the limits, within the guidelines, it's human nature to want to get it all done at once, i guess. >> this is good news. the study out of britain looked at whether or not you can combine a regular flu vaccine with either the pfizer or in this case the astrazeneca vaccine. so we don't have astrazeneca in the united states. johnson & johnson is the most similar vaccine platform to astrazeneca. what does it mean for all your viewers? it basically means that when you go to your doc either for that booster shot if you're eligible or if you're unvaccinated for that first dose, you can get the flu shot at the same time as the covid shot. we're not worried about it. we're not worried about your body having adverse events or increased risk of side effects. and why does this matter, brian? just a month ago the advisory committee on immunization practices, that key advisory group for the cdc, said you know what, maybe you should space out vaccines by at least two weeks. because we don't know the answer to the question of whether combining is safe at the same visit. well, now we have our answer. so it's good. it's good for efficiency. it's good to save people's time. it's good for doctor's offices and other providers to save their time as well. >> and we'll go ahead and say what doctors have been warning folks about, say, the second or third shot, especially combined with the flu shot. your arm's going to hurt. you may become briefly symptomatic. but both of those outcomes sure beat seeing a doctor as nice as dr. gupta is in the middle of the icu. we have too much of that already. and again, we're losing just north of 2,000 souls a day. our guest tonight once again has been dr. vin gupta. thank you so much for taking our questions tonight, doc. coming up for us, what happens to our kids over time? when the people they see on social media seem wealthier, better-looking, generally better off than they are. the story when we come back. ack. . she's using my old spice moisturize with shea butter and she's wearing my robe. mom: ahem ahem ahem we're out. oop, someone's not doing their job. okay, let's keep going. shopping for the game can be a minefield for young homeowners who have turned into their parents. can you believe how many different types of water they have in this aisle? kim, did you just change blades back there? -ah. -this is perfect. jackpot. variety pack. remember, it's a football game, not a play date. roger that. one more slice. it can be a lot. oh, good, the manager. uh, brian in produce -- very helpful. progressive can't save you from becoming your parents, but we can save you money when you bundle home and auto with us. -pulls to the left a little bit. -nope. one of my favorite supplements is qunol turmeric. turmeric helps with healthy joints and inflammation support. unlike regular turmeric supplements qunol's superior absorption helps me get the full benefits of turmeric. the brand i trust is qunol. it's moving day. and while her friends are doing the heavy lifting, jess is busy moving her xfinity internet and tv services. it only takes about a minute. wait, a minute? but what have you been doing for the last two hours? ...delegating? oh, good one. move your xfinity services without breaking a sweat. xfinity makes moving easy. go online to transfer your services in about a minute. get started today. this week facebook was forced to delay its plans for a kids-only version of instagram, its subsidiary. what could go wrong? if you're a regular on instagram, then you know. everyone on there seems to be just a little more fabulous than the rest of us. people's lives seem pretty perfect. they tend to be better-looking than most. facebook is facing scrutiny over company data that showed instagram can have a harmful effect on the mental health of young people. and as we learned today, washington is now watching as well. our report tonight from nbc news correspondent tom costello. >> reporter: on capitol hill facebook and its instagram app under blistering bipartisan condemnation. >> facebook knows that its services are actively harming young children. >> how can we or parents or anyone trust facebook? >> have you quantified how many children have taken their own lives because of your products? >> reporter: facebook's head of global safety appearing remotely and on the defensive. after the "wall street journal" revealed internal facebook research found one in three teenage users said instagram has contributed to their own body image issues, eating disorders, anxiety and depression. among teens who had suicidal thoughts, 13% of british users and 6% of american users traced those thoughts to instagram use. though facebook insists far more teens benefit from the social connections. >> more of them found their engagement on instagram helpful than harmful. >> reporter: but 20-year-old grace park believes the constant instagram posts contributed to her own anxiety and eating disorder in high school. >> everyone else is way skinnier and way prettier and had nicer clothes, and that also sort of hurt my own self-confidence about my own body, which led to me practically starving myself for like a year. >> makes them feel like they're on shaky ground and that they can't possibly keep up with their peers or anyone else. and it just makes their insecurity snowball at a time when they're very vulnerable. >> reporter: facebook has paused a plan to roll out instagram to even younger kids, 8 to 12. as congress considers legislation to limit their ability to target kids. >> our thanks to tom costello for that report. before we go tonight, we're going to talk again about joe manchin, the senator from west virginia, who is not popular in washington right now. apparently immune to outside pressure. but does parity ever get to him? even a little bit. we'll test that theory after this break. it's a wishlist on wheels. a choice that requires no explanation. it's where safe and daring seamlessly intersect. it's understated, yet over-delivers. it is truly the mercedes-benz of sports sedans. lease the 2021 c 300 sedan for just $449 a month at your local mercedes-benz dealer. one of my favorite supplements is qunol turmeric. turmeric helps with healthy joints and inflammation support. unlike regular turmeric supplements qunol's superior absorption helps me get the full benefits of turmeric. the brand i trust is qunol. hey, the last thing before we go tonight comes from our friends over at "the daily show" with trevor noah, and it's word of a new board game that's apparently fun for the whole family. >> looking for a fun family game night that's guaranteed to end in frustration? introducing manchin! the politics game where everyone works together. almost. >> we're going to pass an infrastructure bill. >> you play as the democratic majority in the senate. but watch out. one player is the manchin. >> i have concerns over the partisan nature of this legislation. >> uh-oh. looks like someone's the manchin. >> but kyle, we're all on the same team. you know, america. >> this bill cannot move forward without the support of at least one republican colleague. >> but there are no republicans here. they didn't want to play. >> with manchin, you can feel the excitement of a narrow majority held hostage by one sanctimonious [ bleep ] head. >> let's do voting rights. >> the people of west virginia sent me here to compromise. >> but watch out for that legislative calendar. >> the time is about to run out. come on, let's just pass something. >> i've written a compromise bill. >> great, let's pass it. all in favor say aye. >> aye. >> i've decided that my bill's too bipartisan. >> come on! >> i hate this game. >> i'm so disappointed in you all. you should all learn to work together with people the way i do. >> i need a drink. are you sure this boy's mine? >> no. >> manchin! squander the opportunity. >> a nice family from "the daily show" to take us off the air tonight. that is our broadcast this thursday night. with our thanks for being here with us, on behalf of all our colleagues at the networks of nbc news, good night. there is a lot going on tonight in washington. a lot of moving parts. just this hour on capitol hill a lot of stuff that we are going to see develop, we think over the course of this hour while we are on their. now, at the very end of last night show, you might remember, we showed you some footage. that we got in just at the last second that we got off the air. from last night's congressional baseball game. this game happens every year. it's been going on for over a century. it's supposed to encourage commodity, in lawmakers. how is that going? if [laughs] but these games are supposed to if these games are supposed to be some kind of be some kind of a rescue respite from the pressures of from the pressures of capitol hill, la

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