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ite house was are of their concns. >>ecommended that we maintain 2,500 troops i afghanistan, and i also recommended eliern the fall of 2020 that we maintain 4,500 at that time. i also have a view that the withdrawal ofhose forces would lead inetably to the collapse of the ahan military forces and eventually the afghan government. >> i assume you agree with that? >> i agree with that am my assessment was back in the fall of '20 and remained consistent throughout we should keep a steady state of 2,500 and it could bounce up to 3,500, maybe something li that in order to move toward a notiated solution. >> i'm confident that th presiden heard all the recommendations and listened to em thoughtfully. >> their input was received by the president and considered by the president for sure. >> so the problem today was that testimony by those three gentlemen appears to contradict what the president told george stephanopoulos of abc news back in august of '19. >> your military advisers told you we should keep 2,500 troops it's bn stable, we can do that, we can continue to do that? >> no. no one said that to me that i can recall. >> and as anticipated, this afternoon the white house responded to mnting questions about what the president indeed was told. >> there was a range of viewpoints as was evidenced by their testimony today that were presented to the president and his national security team. he welcomed device, ultimately it'sp to the commander in chie to make a decision. >> during th senat aring, the commanders als offer theissessmt of th rapid resurgence of e taliban. >> wellatched wit alarm the images of afghans rushi the runway and our airaft. all rememr the snes of cousion outside the airport. but within 48 hos, our tops restored order. ey aur commanders exceeded al expectatns. they evacuated more than 124,000. >>t was a logiscal success but atrategic failure. >> we absolutelyissed the rapid 11-day collap of the afghan mitary a the collapse of the government. >> we helped build a state, mr. chairman, but we could not forge a nation. >> general milley added that had u.s. forces not left by the august 31st deadline, war with thtaliban would have been inevitable. milley also took time during his opening remarks to address reports about his actions during the final months of the trump presidency which were, of course, detailed in this new book, "peril" by bob woodward and bob cost at a. the house call with speaker nancy pelosi two days after the january 6th capitol riot, he defended his calls to a chinese military leader, his counterrt as being prompted by intelligence indicating beijing's concern about a possible u.s. strike. >> inow, i am certain that president trump did not intend to attack the chinese. and it was my directive responsibility by the secretary to convey that intent to the chinese. my task at that time was to de-escalate. my message again was consistent, stay calm, eady, and de-escalate. we are not going to attack you. shortly after my call ended with general lee, i personally informed both secretary of state pompeo and white house chief of staff meadows. on 8 januar speaker of the house pelosialled me to inquire about the president's ability to launch nuclear weapons. i explained to her that the president is the sole nuclear launch authority, and he doesn't launch them alone. and that i am not qualified to determine the mental health of the president of the united states. at no time was i attempting to change or influence the process, usurp authority, or insert myself in the chain of command. >> on this same topic of president trump's mental health, trump's own former press secretary, stephanie grisham, describing trump's, quote, terrifying temper among other things in her new memoir. she writes, quote, trump's handlers designated an unnamed white house official known as the music man to play him his favorite show tunes, including "memory" fm "cats" to pull him from the brink of rage. tonight the current president who nds to be more of a dog guy is trying to keep legislation based on his domestic agenda. from falling apart. biden has canceled a trip to chicago tomorrow so he can stay in washington and continue negotiations with lawmakers in his own party. earlier today he sat down with senators, say it with us, joe manchin and kyrsten sinema who say the effort to expand social programs is too expensive for them. meanwhile, nancy pelosi plans to hold a vote thursday on the $1 trillion infrastructure bill, even though liberal memories of her caucus are threatening to vote against it. democrats are also trying to stop the shutdown of the government thursday night while keeping the u.s. into going into default. janet yellen told lawmakers today the government will essentially run out of money october 18 if the federal debt limit isn't raised. with all of that, let's bring in our starting le on this tuesday night. eugene daniels, white house correspondent for politico and coauthor of the politico playbook. stdard, and retired four-star u.s. army generation barry mccaffrey, former battlefield commander in the gulf and former cabinet member and member of the national security council as well. eugene, what is the latest you're hearing from the white house tight with these two bills, aka the president's agenda, up in the air? >> i mean, what we know is that they're getting a little concerned, right? it's remarkable where we are in the process, legislating is messy, we all know that. the democratic party has to make sure everyone's happy from bernie sanders to joe manchin in order to pass legislation. but for months the focus has been about how impressive it is that democrats have been so united, that they were on this two-track process that everyone has agreed. and then the wheels started to fall off and i think a lot of people in the white house were surprised by how quickly that happened. we had manchin saying he wanted to have a strategic pause, who had now nancy pelosi, the speaker of the house, did her coupling the two bills and taking the two tracks off the table. so much has changed. so now, as you see the president cancellation that trip, they're working on getting involved. they talked about the calls that the president has made, they called them engagement. but what we heard on playbook from folks on the hill is that they want the president to be more involved. they want him to put his thumb on the scale more and be very clear, most importantly, about what he wants these votes, how high he wants these bills to be. and i think that is something that people on the hill have been asking for. and so something that democrats have started to shift on that they're hoping is going to help is less focused on the number. you have progressives who've been negotiating, concentrating much more on the policy, what's going to be in it instead of that top-line number, because that is the thing that people think about when they think about this reconciliation bill, $3.5 trillion which sounds like a lot of money because it is. and so now they're working on try to figure out how they can continue to sell what's in the actual bill and not so much that top-line number, and i think they're hoping that that is going to work because what we've seen in polling is that the actual policies in the reconciliation bill that are actually really popular. >> ab stoddard, comedy fans of another era will remember perhaps andy kaufman and the wrestling match. why am i mentioning that? because it was performance art, so well done, it left people both bewilledered and tipping their hats. why do i mention all of it because of thi by. with a straight face from mitch mcconnell. >> so, look, it's time for our democratic colagues to stop dragging the heels and get moving. >> ab, so the democrats are dragging their heels. what's going on here? >> well, brian, as eugene laid out, there are all these divisions where progressives are trying to blame senators manchin and sinema for blowing this up in the late hour, not being specific, imperiling the nation's credit and economy and everything else. whereas all along two things were clear to the democrats, that they believe joe manchin and they believed mitch mcconnell. and joe manchin made it clear a long time ago that he was going to have a pblem with this, he would vote to proceed, but he was never going to approve something this big. and mitch mcconnell made it clear he's going to make his own rules, he esn't care if this is about paying for debt, securing debt that was racked up during therump years that mitch mcconnell supported or not. he essentially is the minity leader saying if you hold the cards and you're if power, it's on you to do this. democrats have known all along they're going to do a debt ceilin increase on their own. what they're trying to do is make a point. so there's a lot of performance as you highlighted where they're going to maket looking like the republicans are imperiling the nation's economy and bring us to the brink of default even though they knew mitch mcconnell was deadly serious, he plays by his own set of rules and he really doesn't care about being hypocritical from one cycle or one administration to the next. so they really are wanting to sort of, you know, put on is show where they say republicans are going to take us over a cliff and it's so terrible and have a lot of people playing clips of janet yellen on television over and over again out the perils of this risk, but they know how this ends. and so they're doing their own performance. they also know how the infrastructure fight ends, which is that they've never had t math to do what bernie sanders wants to do and joe manchin a kyrsten sinema will prevail, and they will not -- they absolutely will not waste a bl that 19 republicans have suppted. they will not tank it. that will get passed because they have to. it's existential. and then they'll figure out the social welfare programs with progresses and everyone will have hurt feelings, but they're not going to take us into default and they're not going to tank biden's programs. >> we may hold you to it. general, mercifully we come to your bali wick, and that's the u.s. military. what did you make of the disconnect on display during the testimony tod from the vice that these three military men gave the esident, the advice that the president either says he did not receive, did not hear, or did not take in? and are we concentrating on the wrong subject? would a 2,500-troop contingent have just remainedhere four, five, or ten years? was that sustainable? >> well, you know, my own view is had we stayed beyond the 31st of august, the taliban would have re-engaged the war, we would have had to reinforce not 2,500, but probably 15,000, 20,000 nato troops total and we would have kept the afghan government and armed forces from collapsing. i do believe it was a legitimate political decision by president biden and trump to withdraw all forces and to do it in a very short term. in addition, mr. trump teed up the doha agreement, which essentially completely threw the afghan government under the bus and would clearly result in their eventual collapse. so i don't think the fact that mr. biden may have slightly misspoke is significant. i think biden probably in the long run made the right decision. but now he has to live with the horrific afterma of a country going back into chaos and brutality. >> that is for sure. eugene, back we plunge into white house politics. is it fair to say the white house has been caught off guard by the level and degree of infighting blue on blue among democrats? >> i think so. right? i think that the thing they expected was, one, i think j manchin has continued to be kind of a thorn in everyone's side. and i think he actually enjoys being tt foil to the administration, to being that foil for it amount of money that congressants to spend, not that it is not something that he truly believes, but it's also important to remember -- we talk about it on this show -- is that joe manchin is a proxy for other moderate democrats. and i think this white house often forgets that. just because it's just joe manchin that they know that that is going to be upset or doesn't want to spend this much money, it is also sinema and also others who are quiet and allow the two of those senators take a lot of the heat. and so i think we're caught off guard. it's something they have leaned on quite a bit as president biden's ability to twist arms, to cajole people because of all of his decades of work on the hill. at this point it's not about how much that has worked. like i said before, there are people on the hill who are saying i think i shod've gotten a call considering how involved i am in this process, and i haven't received one. not just that, you know, a member of the staff at the white house called a member of the staff at their office, but they're talking about high-level conversations. those are the questions that are still raised about president biden's involvement and it's obvious he's going to be doing a lot me that have here tomorrow. >> a.b., the optics aren't regret. the president's whose job it is to sell everything to the american pple is busy putting out fires in his own party. >> yeah. as i pointed out before, this math was there until day one. they don't have the majority in the senate. they control the chamber and they preside over it in a 50/50 senate where they break ties on nonfilibusterble votes with the tie-breaking vote of the vice president. so they barely control the senate and they have a four-seat margin in the house. they've known this all along. manchin's made clear through and through, first it was a pause, then it was about inflation. he continues to be unspecific about what his needs are. this is not new to the white house. i really believe that nancy pelosi all along new it was going to come down to cutting loose a bipartisan bill that's ready to be signed into law, that's popular with 70% of americans. but she couldn't the rub progressives' noses in it and start talking about putting it first and getting it over the finish line without soothing them. so she stuck to the two-track promise as long as she could and where is she broke it because that's the polical reality of the math and they don't have any way around that. >> generally, you get the last word. you're an admirer of general milley's badge on his chest shows the wider world that he doesn't scare ealy. do you think in your view he did a good job defending his actions post-1/6, those frantic phone calls, and explaining his motives? >> yeah. look, brian, i've testified in the house and senate dozens of times over the years, and they're frequently hostile character assassination posturing hearings. this one was relively civil given the acrimony involved in the withdrawal froafghanistan. i thought mark milleyade a straightforward, completely honest presentation that explained the situation that had happened, didn't delve into the craziness of trump's final days, and it was received probabl -- we have nothing else to say. we're fortunate we had this patriotic, talented combat veteran in that position during the last month of the tru administration. >> a proper final word to end this segment. with our thanks to our staing line, eugene daniels, a.b. stoddard, general mccaffrey, greatly skbreeshtd we heard of giving the vaccine to young kids could be a thing that finally gets this pandemic under control. is that finally about to happen? we'll talk time line here tonight. later, if i told you civilio dante is our guest this evening and you know who that is, that makes you our kind of viewer. tonight we're joined by the musi legend, activist, television legend, and now author, the one, the only, stevie vanzant is here to talk about his new memoir out today. 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you know, and i don't want to sound in any way ungrateful about my amazing success with the estreet band or "the sopranos" or even sun city, which was a big success. but the personal part of my work, you know, that has not reached an audience, you know, it can sometimes be a little bit frustrating. d i think that's probably common for everybody that goes through life, you're eventually going to have disappointment and th's not the point. the point is what do you do after that, what happens after e disappointment? what do you do with it, you know? >> let's run through some of the gold rings. husband to maureen, father to edy, the dog, importantly, your years with bruce and the e street band. you made a huge contribution to the dismantling of apareid. first streaming series ever on netflix, little hammer, when they were still mailing out cds in paper eelopes to our houses, and you were a founding father, let's not forget, of a sound of a subgenre of rock 'n' roll, the jersey shore sound, the asbury park sound, of that list, what are you proudest of? >> well, younow, i think the radio formats, both of them are going to live beyond me, i hope, both the underground garage and outlaw country. i think they're both extremely important formats that include the best of the old and the best of the new. we have introduced over 1,000 new bands. in addition to playing the coo stuff from 1951 on, all the 70 years of rock and soul. i think i'm also very proud of what we did in south africa, the ur of us, the four musketeers, and 50 artists an entire movement including the united nations. i mean, it was a big movement. it just wasn't big in america at that time. we lit the fuse for that one. ani think my music history curriculum, i think, i probably going to be my most important contribution. i think that'll also be impoant. we're trying to completely revolutionize the education system by integrating the arts into every single discipline, not just as an extra class or an afterschool class, but integrating the arts lerally into every single discipline, turning s.t.e.m., science, technology, engineering, and math, and adding arts in the middle of that, and that will change the way kids learn if we can get that distributed. they're doing quite well with that >> i hope people who read the book concentrate on that portion, 40,000 teachers have signed up across the country and this has been a huge passion of stevens. what occurs to me is you've met all of your heroes. what's that been like and have you ever been disappointed? >> i had a very, very unpleasant experience very early in life, which i talk about in the book regarding an autograph, which i wasn't even interested in, but my friends talked me into. ever since then, i never wanted to meet one of my heroes. i try to avoid my heroes as much as i can. ironically, i end up recording and producing 50 of them on the sun city record. and meeting, you know, pretty much, you know, as you say, pretty much meeting all my heroes slowly through years. but i try and avoid it because, you know, if they turn out to be unpleasant in any way, it's going to really affect my ability to enjoy the music. so, you know, i try to aid that stuff if i can. >> i'll tiptoe up to this next topic by noting thatolitical activism has been a huge part of your life. i am tempted knowing something about your politics to ask you what you make of the democrats and how they are living with the power they've been handed. i'm also tempted to ask you, has there ever been a time when yove been more pessimistic about your country? anyoneho follows you on social media would know this about you. >> i got to admit, it's a little depressing at the moment, a little frustrating. you know, i don't know how you do this every night, brian,nd keep your subtle but amazing humor intact. >> because i don't know you're watching. >> believe me, you really do help. you know, i mean, i'm rooting for joe biden every single day, i really am, you know? i just -- i just got this terrible feeling, you know, and i've had this for a long, long time that we're in a war and only one side is fighting it. and i've been feeling that for decades. it's really coming to a very serious place now where we might lose our democracy because of it, you know? and i just -- i just -- i'm not happy with what's going on here. i'm not happy with, you know, our attorney general, you know. i would have preferred, you know, malcolm nance to be attorney general. we don't really need the attorney part, but we do need a general, you know? we need somebody -- i just keep asking where are the tough good guys, you know? and i just can't find them, brian, and we need them now. we need the general pattons. somebody with courage and strength and who realizes we're in a war. we just don't seem to have the right frame of mind. as i say, i keep rooting for joe, you know, but, you know, the two -- the two, you know, the benedict arnold twins are not helping matters, and they're -- i hope they come around. i don't know. i don't want to see manchin on tv ever again. i mean, i'm sick of his face. and i don't understand -- i mean, you tell me. there was a few republicans that voted for impeachment, right, on both sides, senate and the house. i wonder if they could be converted. couldn't they be converted t democrats? is that legal. you wod know better than me. >> i think you need to get on amtrak and go down to washington. i'm going to nicely avoid that question by holding up this book telling you and our audience we're going to fit in a break and we're going to continue our discussion on the other side. we're going to talk about some characters from new jersey folks may know pretty well. r and she's wearing my robe. mom: ahem ahem ahem we're out. one of my favorite supplements is qunol turmeric. turmeric helps with healthy joints and inflammation support. unlike regular turmeric supplements qunol's superior absorption helps me get the full benefits of turmeric. the brand i trust is qunol. . olympic the other night he's been playing both sides of the fence with new york. >> burt? >> measures were taken. >> i never saw myself as that kind of guy. i'm more behind the scenes. vice, strategy. >> so cheer me up, babe. >> just when i thought i was out, they pull me back in. >> great stuff there. some great stuff. silvio with steve's real-le wife, maureen. silvio doing pacino, worlds colliding. do i have this about right? you're not an actor. david chase cold cls you and says we're putting together this series on hbo about the mob. you read for the part of tony soprano, both sides think better of it. you develop the character of the consigliere, do i have that right? >> well, i kno it sounds ridiculous, but yes. you got it right. yeah. you know, he just -- he had been in tv a long time. this was going to be his last tv show. he wanted to start making movies, david straits we're talking about, and he wanted new faces. he wanted to break all the rules basically, and he did break all the rules. he didn't know he would be revolutionizing television when he did so, but he broke all the rules. after hbo said, what, are you crazy? we're not going to cast a guy who's never acted before the lead, but cooler heads prevailed. they said what do you want to do. i feel guilty taking an actor's job. i know what they have to go through. my wife is a real actor. she goes to classes all the time and off broadway and off-off broadway. so he said, you're not going to take an actor's job. i'll write you a part. what do you want to do? i said i had this treatment of an independent hit man named dante and he ran a club like a copa cabana, lived in the past, set in present day, but he romanticized the mob's past and he had a '50s look and the families had tables in the club an big bands and cskills comics and dancing girls. and, you kno basically it was kind of like a mob version of casablanca. he comes back a few days later and says we can't afford it but we'll make it a striplub and you'll run a strip club for the family. and so we started there. and then i had written a bit of a biography of the guy saying they wer best friends with tony soprano, theyrew up together, thinking i was 20 years older than him since i'm 25 in my head all the time. and, you know, and slowly me a jimmy actually bondedn the set, i think, because he was more of a character actor ando was i. i was more of a side man and we both did not have aspirations to be the front guy in other words, to be the sr. so we kind of bonded on that level very quickly. i think david chase picked up on that. owly by the end of the first season i kind of had become the underboss and the consigliere. sometimes that's two different guys and sometimes it's the one guy. it's an important role in a mob familyhat actually wasn't there. so i kind of filled a vacuum that didn't exist really, you know? >> i was just going to say -- >> go ahead. >> i was going to say the current string of repeats that hbo is airing in preparation for the release of the movie only makes us more wistful for the series for those days and of course for jimmy who's not with us. >> absolutely. yeah. yeah. you know, and the pquel is great, by the way. so anywa i just kind of fell into that role and realized, wait a minute, this is similar to my relationshi with bruce springsteen all those years. and so suddenly i felt very, very comfortable because i knew what those dynamics -- how that works, you know, how you're the one guy that the boss trusts, you're the guy -- you're the only guy that doesn want to be the boss. you're the only guy who can bring him bad news because i don't fear the boss. that really started to really click, you know, on the set and the writers' minds and david chase, just naturally started to incorporate that into the scripts. so i was very comfortable with that because i knew how to do that. i had been doingt my whole life, you know? >> so help me out with something. you and i grew up, what, a mile and a half apart, same town. i wanted to go to your high scol. we'll leave names out of it. my mother said you're not going to that drug d. that relegated me to fours of catholic high school near you house. we were raised by classic republican, milita veterans, but looking back i was raised in a proper new york giants household where there was talk of names like gifford and cavigil. i'm curious what happened to you. why do you root for the eagles? we many giants nion invite you to come on over and every sunday join us in embracing the suck. >> first of all, i have a valid excuse in that my father was a big fan of norm van brocklin, you know. you n kind of sense the van thing in common, you know? the dutchman. >> yeah. >> so what team was he with, as i recall? >> that was a long time ago, but this is the modern era, the giants lose more often n. >> well, you know -- >> i got to go. i'm going to save you from groveling. eagles nation, beroud that you have steve vanzant living and dying. it been a rough weekend for my friend, steve. the pride of our hometown of middletown, new jersey. steven vanzant has been our guest tonight with our thanks of course. again, the book is right here. it's called "unrequited intuations: a memoir." it isvailab rightow starting today. the book h it all, sex, drugs, rock 'n' roll in unequal measure and the true story behind the bandana. while you're at it, get his album "soul fire," and get the live album as well. terrific to see you. coming up for , a story you shouldee if overseas travel, as they say, in your future plans. ♪ they're dressed for pastry baking ♪ ♪ the progressive fily ♪ ♪ they're helpful but annoying ♪ ♪ they always leave us snoring ♪ ♪ accidents are bing with the progressive family ♪ so... when do you all go home? 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