report. as we say to all of you a very good day from msnbc wold headquarters here in new york. here is what is happening. we start with this breaking news out of montana where investigators will try to get to the bottom of a deadly derailment involving an amtrak train. new video shows heavy machinery kicking up dust because they are working to clear some of the mangled cars of the train that ran off the rails yesterday, killing at least three people and hurting as many as 50 others. once again to nbc's jake ward monitoring all the latest developments and joins us now to discuss them. so the investigation that is going to get under way, there is a go team. have they gotten to the scene? >> as i understand it, alex, at this hour the ntsb's investigative team is on the ground. it is not clear yet exactly what they foun. the ntsb is anticipated to offer a statement later today. but at this point the investigation is really focusing on just the unusual circumstances here. there was no weather, inclement weather. there were no curves in the track at the place that this thing went off the rails and so investigators are trying to figure out how a train on a beautifully clear day on a straight line of track could have lost eight cars off the track. we spoke to a former ntsb board member about what it is that an investigation is going to look at. here is what she had to say. >> the first thing is we talked to local authorities who were the first on scene and gather any information they have from those individuals who were there. what they'll do is ask for any not only verbal information but also any physical evidence that might have been gathered. any photographs. i know passengers have taken photographs. they'll begin to collect every bit of information that is available. they will -- the team will include not only ntsb members, employees, who are specialists in rail but also will include representatives of amtrak, representatives of the department of transportation, the railroad branch, including the manufacturer of the train, the controller of the track. there will be a whole team of people comprised of all members who represent all aspects of the industry. and then they'll talk to survivors, passengers. they will look at the physical evidence. and put the pieces of the puzzle together. we always say, nothing is ruled out until -- ruled in until everything is ruled out. >> alex, the commissioner there when we asked, the former board member, excuse me, when we asked what it is that jumps out at her about this particular circumstance she again pointed to the extraordinarily clear weather, the straight line effect, and therefore thinks the investigation will probably focus on the places where the train cars interact with the tracks, some fault either in the tracks or in the cars may have been the culprit. >> okay. thank you so much. you might want to stay tuned because i am joined right now by a survivor of the derailment. jacob, i'm glad to speak with you. i see you look okay. how are you feeling? >> i have some back pain and some knee pain. i was in one of the front cars and we got really badly jostled, thrown about the train car from one side to the other. even though i am not doing great there are people who are doing a lot worse than i am. so the best way -- >> i appreciate that generous perspective. you say you were at the front of the train. it was my understanding from an earlier report that some cars got past the point of the derailment. were you in that group? >> yes, the way i would describe it is we derailed. our train came off the tracks. however, we were not separated from the train in the back. we were still connected to the locomotive at the front. as far as my understanding is, what i heard at the scene, the front train itself, the actual thing that pulls us, that didn't derail but my carriage did derail. it was quite violent. woe didn't flip over. >> so how violent? one person apparently said it felt like turbulence on an airplane. how would you describe it? >> i would say at first, as we were leading up to when we came off the rails it was turbulence but then all of a sudden it was this extremely violent force. i'm a pretty big guy and it picked me up and threw me from my chair into the wall and from that position into the other wall and so i finally righted myself and it was like oh, my goodness we are derailing from this track right now. it was a lot more than i would say turbulence. there are passengers in cars that actually flipped on their side and were being dragged. that wasn't my experience. >> i want to tell our viewers that we see your name on a lot of the photos and thank you for being able to document this. this is what you were able to do and you had the wherewithal to take some photos. i'm sure it will be used as evidence by the ntsb investigators there. let me ask you, you have your experience. how about those with you in that passenger car? did you see others that were injured? >> i was actually in a sleeper car with my father. we both had a similar experience smashed into the wall and the other wall. i haven't been checked out yet. as i exited the vehicle we definitely heard people injured. i heard stories in the gymnasium where we were staging people who were not only injured but killed. somebody who was, while the portland train was being pulled behind us was according to them ejected from the window and crushed under the train. i have heard of significant injuries. i didn't see that with my own eyes so i can only report what i was told. it was obvious just based on what i saw when i exited the train that there were significant injuries. >> how is your dad? >> you know, he is feeling the same way. he has some back pain and knee pain. i'm very happy we were in that position in the train because a few moments earlier my father had gone down to the little cafe under the observation car to get something to eat and had just gotten back. if he had gone a few minutes later he probably would have still been there and one that flip over. it is really just a harrowing moment and something bad. i still haven't fully processed it yet. >> where are you, jacob? i ask only because i know a lot of people were taken in by goo samaritans. this is a very rural area. did you get home? were you headed to seattle or portland or where are you in >> i was going to seattle for just a vacation with my dad. it is actually his birthday today and we were doing something for his birthday and i just graduated college so one of those last trips and what happened was is we were headed there but now because we derailed we didn't get to our destination. amtrak has put us up at a hotel in montana and they are trying a -- to arrange transportation home. we just want to go home >> i can imagine. be safe and sleep in your own bed. back to the accident i know it is hard for you to think about. was there any sense of breaking? did you feel anything that indicated something was coming, anything sudden? >> well, the only thing i would say is it felt like as we were going into sort of a curve, like a switch that we're on here, as we are going into that it felt like we were going faster than i had felt on the rest of the trip. i'm not an engineer. i'm not somebody who is an expert on these things. i don't have access to data. i just felt like we were going faster than we should have been and we were getting jostled around. my father was talking to me and as we were walking back to the car he mentioned he was thrown into another passenger's room as we were walking back. we were going pretty quickly into wherever we did derail. it just felt that way. most of the trip it was pretty smooth but toward this period it got very bumpy and felt too fast for the tracks. i don't know the rating on the tracks or how fast we were actually going. >> you were clearly outside and getting a really good look at what was left of the accident. did you see anything that would say to you oh, this might be what caused the accident? was there anything you picked up? again this is not a definitive summarization of what caused the accident but did you see anything? >> i have pictures of what looked like railroad siding on the ground not near the tracks. if you zoom in there you can see it is almost bent up in the middle where i think the switch is. so it seemed like maybe even a failure of the tracks. there was a vehicle or machinery near the tracks. i don't know if they were doing work earlier in the week but it almost seemed like the track disintegrated under us and that matched with the stories i heard from people toward the back of the train who talked about it almost felt like they were flying like the track almost fell out from underneath them. like they came up off the tracks and derailed. it was very strange. >> i'm just so glad that you are okay. i know you have some back issues right now. i hope you recover a hundred percent. your father as well. >> thank you. >> i know what you've said to us and these photos will be incredibly valuable to the ntsb as they try to figure out what happened here. thank you. get home safely. good luck. >> thank you. thanks, alex. have a good rest of the day. let's go to the latest in washington and what is sure to be a make or break week for president biden's economic agenda house speaker pelosi calling for her house to pass both packages in the coming days. do the bills have enough votes and can you get one without the other? progressive and moderate democrats remain split. >> reconciliation, and so to my colleagues, you know, we meet all the time. let me tell you we all agree we need a reconciliation package and i think that is important for everyone to understand. it doesn't mean -- these are two separate bills, right? you have infrastructure, historic, once in a century. there is no reason we shouldn't pass that right away >> i don't believe there will be a vote. the speaker is an incredibly goo vote counter and she knows exactly where her caucus stand. we've been really clear on that. >> the votes aren't there. >> the votes aren't there. i just don't think she'll bring it up. >> this is the speaker said this morning the $3.5 trillion price tag may go down. >> obviously with negotiations there will have to be some changes in that the sooner the better so we can build our consensus to go forward and we will do that. >> it sound like you acknowledge that the final number is going to be somewhat smaller than that. >> yeah. i mean, that is self-evident. everybody overwhelmingly and i think even those who want a smaller number support the vision of the president. this is really transformative. >> a new reaction from homeland security secretary all han row mayorkas in the growing criticism over treatment of haitian migrants at the southern border >> i think the entire american public correctly and necessarily were horrified by what the images suggested. they conjured up such a dark past we haven't entirely put behind us. the president echoed the sentiments of the public in terms of what the images suggest. >> we'll go to the white house once again. josh, big week ahead for president biden. what is he doing to help these bills get passed? >> reporter: president joe biden has been trying to act as a convener among the different factions of his own party as well as to try to sort of tie down the moderates on what exactly is the scope of something that they could support. but i have to be honest, alex, the person who is really in the driver's seat at this moment is nancy pelosi. we haven't heard from the president on this since friday when he departed for camp david to spend the weekend. you could see him there heading out from the white house toward the helicopters. he was asked about what the moderates want on this. said basically ask me again when this is all through. but i've been asking white house officials what exactly president biden has been doing over this weekend to try to move this forward. the only thing they'll say is that the administration has been deeply engaged with members of congress, no mention of whether president biden himself has actually picked up the phone from camp david to try to call any of the various actors involved in this. but he is in a bit of an awkward position given that the things standing between president biden and getting this massive piece of his agenda over the finish line isn't republicans at this point. it is the warring factions within his own party. we heard this morning from senator cory booker a close ally of president biden's this is what he had to say about the fight among democrats. >> i don't like how this has been characterized progressives versus moderates. this is joe biden's bill and as he said in the oval office, i've never really been a progressive. this is about seizing what is a once in a generation opportunity. if we miss this opportunity every dollar we shrink it is a dollar we're not investing in our future and it is unfortunate. how this plays out, yeah. this is washington. i'm sure there will be some compromise. >> reporter: if there is anything all of the various democrats agree on at this point it is that it is going to be a compromise if this actually gets finished. president biden acknowledging that this is a matter of negotiation and even pelosi this morning conceding that the ultimate number for this democratic spending bill is going to be somewhere south of the $3.5 trillion she and president biden want. in the meantime the calendar tells the story of the urgency here with tomorrow being the deadline for there to be a vote on the infrastructure bill as written into law and we'll see if that happens on schedule tomorrow. then on thursday the government is set to run out of funding if a spending bill isn't passed as the u.s. prepares to move toward october when at that point it would run out of money with the fiscal cliff coming and the debt ceiling hit sometime in october. >> okay. thank you so much from the white house. let's move to discussion now and a look at the intense week ahead. how is it going to play out? >> it is going to be a very chaotic week on capitol hill. there is a deadline of thursday at midnight to fund the government or to face a federal government shutdown. what democrats are planning to do is vote in the senate tomorrow late monday afternoon on a bill that has passed the house that would keep the government open, add on disaster relief money for recent storms and wildfires, and include a debt ceiling extension. that simply allows the u.s. government to pay bills that congress has racked up. republicans say they will filibuster the bill in the senate because of the debt ceiling extension. they want democrats to do that on their own in the party line bill. speaker nancy pelosi was asked about that earlier today. let's play some of what she had to say about that demand. >> beyond words. woe cooperated on three occasions when president trump was president in order to lift the debt ceiling. two said it more articulately than mitch mcconnell at the time you cannot play russian roulette with the debt ceiling. >> he is willing to eat that right now. are you confident democrats can pass it on their own? >> we want this to be bipartisan. if we didn't want it to be dooip dooip -- bipartisan we'd have put it in the reconciliation bill. >> a white house official i talked to compared this to twefrnt when republicans had control and were using the budget reconciliation process to pass a party line bill added to the deficit but they didn't put a debt limit increase in that. they used the government funding process and leaned on democrats on a bipartisan vote. the democrats acquiesced then. the white house believed republicans should do the same. there is no indication that will happen at this moment. mcconnell seems resolute and determined to filibuster that bill and sometime in october the treasury says that the u.s. will no longer be able to borrow money to pay its bills. that could lead to a catastrophic economic meltdown on a global scale if congress does not act to raise or extend that debt ceiling. keep a close eye on this one. it is going to be a developing issue. we will follow closely how it plays out on capitol hill. tomorrow the vote is unlikely to succeed in the senate and democrats will have a big decision to make. do they decouple those two things, try to pass a bill separately just to keep the government open ahead of the thursday deadline which could create other complications on how the debt ceiling is done? it has to get done but it is not clear how at this moment. >> talk about a tight rope dance being walked. okay. thank you so much. joining me now congresswoman debbie dingell democrat from michigan and member of the energy and commerce and natural resources committees. always good to speak with you. let's get into this. are you confident, how confident if you are, about all of the legislation that you and your colleagues will be voting on this week? two critical pillars of the president's agenda are at stake here. do you think you'll ultimately have the votes? >> alex, failure is not an option. we have to get this figured out. i don't think this will be a pretty week. i've watched a lot of tension in this town. i don't think i remember a more intense week than the one we are about to witness. the old will rogers people with weak stomachs shouldn't watch sausage or laws being made is never going to be more true. in the end i don't care if you are a moderate or a progressive. these bills not being passed will let down america. we don't have that option. so we've got to figure out how to come together. both of these bills are necessary. both of these bills are critical. democrats not supporting them, these bills going down, means we are not supporting our president either. so there is too much at stake. i don't quite know how the answer is, what the answer is. but our speaker does deliver miracles. it is going to be ugly. i'm not sleeping so i suspect a lot of other people aren't either. >> when it comes to how this goes down do you think the reconciliation bill willen up being $3.5 trillion or the price tag will have to be lowered somewhat? the art of the compromise right? where is your limit as far as spending goes? >> i'm waiting to see what is worked out. we need both of these bills. i like it when people come together. the bipartisan bill has a lot of things we need. but we can't get to where we need. i use getting lead out of the pipe of this country so no child's drinking water has lead in it. the bipartisan bill doesn't have enough. the bill we passed does. i led the fight. i could go through a list of other things people care about. the speaker today, she is the leader. she is telling us what has to happen. but i'm telling you the moderates and the progressives have to find a way we'll find that common ground. there are too many things. if this fails we're not delivering. and the d in democrats stands for delivering. >> what about thursday? what happens come thursday in terms of government funding? will there not be a government shutdown? >> i'm going to tell you in the middle of a pandemic for us to shut the government down would be the most irresponsible thing anybody could do. that is america. that is not a republican issue not a democrat issue. republicans can't go not my problem. it is their problem. it is our problem. it is all of our problem. if we shut the government down it is going to be on all of our heads. by the way, the american people deserve to keep the government running. not only are we in the middle of the pandemic. have we not seen what we do to people's lives every day? the paas workers. i could go through the front line workers. everybody that it just would be irresponsible. you know what? i'm tired of this fighting all the time. we have to find a way to come together and quit doing this drama all the time. we have a pandemic. why are we adding to the drama? >> do you get any sense the republicans -- you say they're saying it is not my problem. are there whispers, behind closed doors, any sort of agreements they say, you're right debbie dingell, absolutely right. we can't do this? >> i think it depend who you talk to. senator mcconnell has made it very clear he doesn't want to do certain things. i am talking to a lot of republicans who are very worried. you know i reach across the aisle. some don't like me. i am talking with a number of republicans. look at the problem solvers who really are trying to solve problems and know that we need to be working together. so yes there are a lot of people that know on both sides of the aisle we cannot shut the government down. >> in terms of reaching across the aisle sometimes that goes more smoothly than others. there of the confrontation, you just referenced it between you and the georgia congresswoman marjorie taylor green. i'm just curious, your thoughts about all that. i've heard you say you regret having lowered yourself to her level essentially. is there anything about that that you think outlines just the tenor of everything in a greater picture in capitol hill right now? >> look, what most people didn't see with the whole context, we've been upstairs and she has been screaming for ten minutes and a lot of hate. i am worried about the hate dividing this country. it is really going after fundamental roots of our democracy and it worries me. what was happening is the speaker was actually getting ready to do a press conference. there were 150 of my colleagues to talk about build back better. she was trying to get attention which she is very good at doing but the things she was saying were so full of hate. they were trying to get the press's attention. i just wanted to bring civility back. we don't have to agree with each other. i learn a lot from people who don't agree with me. i look at their perspective and i learn. but the level, the volatility, the hate, we're supposed to respect each other. congress meets coming together. i don't think our forebearers ever thought we'd be -- when did it become okay to come out and spew hate at your colleagues? it didn't used to be okay. i'm not, look, i've been depressed all weekend. i won't kid you. it's been a hard weekend. i've been bullied before and i don't like bullies and she is trying to bully us. at some point you have to stand up to that. >> all i can say is when i saw it and i saw you were involve in any way, shape, or form, i thought wow. congressman dingell really had to be driven to react this way because as you say you do reach across the aisle. you are one of the most moderate people that way that i've interviewed and i've been doing this a long time. debbie dingell, just put it behind you and move on. it is a sunny day outside. it is here and i hope there as well. thank you so much. covid booster shots. who doesn't need them? 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>> yeah. hi, alex. if you are confused about this i don't blame you and join the crowd. here is what happened. i think all of us were led to expect that if you got the first two doses of the vaccine made by moderna or pfizer or the one dose of the j&j vaccine, that you're going to be okay for some indeterminate period of time. then what happened is we started getting research information and data from israel and the vaccine manufacturers saying it looks like there might be a diminishing of your immune response after six, seven, eight months after the last booster shot. and that led the fda to say, we have to analyze this information, this data, and they came to the conclusion that it was a good idea basically. it was safe and effective to get this booster shot. after the fda, though, the cdc has to weigh in and they have to weigh in by certain criteria that say, this is precisely who needs to get the booster shot of the vaccine and when. so here is where we are at this very moment. first of all, if you've had a pfizer immunization, the two shots, that you had in january, february, or march, you should be eligible to get the booster shot especially for people that are over 65, people 50 to 64 who have certain unlying conditions. and other people under 64 who in fact, under 50 in fact, who have what they call occupational exposure. your health care work -- you are a health care worker or work in environments where you are exposed to a lot of people. with the moderna or j.j. vaccine it is not yet approved to get a booster shot. i think it will be shortly especially for moderna and eventually j&j also. >> if you have pfizer you stay with pfizer, same with j&j, same with moderna? >> yes. for the moment, alex. as more studies are being done they will help determine whether you can mix and match the vaccines. i suspect maybe we will but right now it is not approved. the other point of confusion -- >> i don't mean to be confusing with this but there is something i keep hearing. that is side effects. are there additional side effects of the booster shot or is it going to be similar to how someone felt after previous shots? >> it is going to be extremely similar and that is why -- that is the fda's job. they said we looked at all the possible side effects and we're not seeing anything that is worrisome. they gave the go ahead in essence to the cdc to go ahead and develop these specific protocols for who should get it and when. one other point i want to mention, that the things that make you at higher risk besides age is a list of about 17 different conditions including diabetes, obesity, cancer, and on and on. it is really confusing. but the second layer i just want to mention is that a lot of the messaging from the federal government has been incredibly confusing. we've been reading about the disputes among krz staff, advisers, cdc staff and so on and i think the administration has to get its act together providing clearer messages and stop explaining the sausage making of how decisions are being derived. they have a lot of work to do. basically it is what i said. eventually everybody, i mean everybody should get a booster shot. i think that is where we'll be not too long from now. >> okay. all of this duly noted. thank you so much. so i spoke to donald trump's former lawyer michael cohen yesterday and he told me exactly what he thinks the four people will likely do after the 1-6 committee hands them the expected subpoenas. we'll share it next. at philadelphia, we know what makes the perfect schmear of cream cheese. you need only the freshest milk and cream. that one! and the world's best, and possibly only, schmelier. philadelphia. schmear perfection. do i think they're going to show up? no. i don't believe they are. i think donald has taught if anything that you don't have to show up for subpoenas. that is the saddest part that there is no method right now of forcing them to speak. even if there is a way of putting them in front of the committee they'll take the 5th. >> that was donald trump's former lawyer michael cohen on our air yesterday reacting to news that four members of trump's inner circle are facing subpoenas from the january 6th committee. those are former white house chief of staff mark meadows, steve bannon, and former pentagon chief of staff. joining me now, welcome to you. what role do you think these four people played on january 6th? >> well it was a huge step for the committee to go after some of the closest aides to the former president. mark meadows was chief of staff, and the deputy chief of staff. where the investigation is focusing is what the individuals were doing the day before on insurrection evening on january 5 when the trump campaign had a series of war room meetings with external advisers, some far right activists. we also think possibly the former president. and that is where the investigation is going to go now as they try and uncouple the smoke and mirrors to try and tie the trump white house to the planning and that is why these officials are key because they knew what was going on in the oval office the night before and people like steve bannon would have known what is happening the night before at the trump campaign war rooms. >> hugo, you heard michael cohen say he doesn't think any of them will show up. is there a way for the 1-6 committee to force them to testify? >> it is a really good point and the executive privilege claim has been abused by the former president all the way through the mueller inquiry to impeachments and this is going to be a real sticking point now. adam schiff, the chairman of the house intelligence committee and member of the january 6 committee told me on friday that he expected to press the doj to pursue criminal proceedings if they don't adhere to the subpoenas. but again, this has never been tried before, never been tested before. we'll see what the appetite is for the biden doj to go after these guys and frankly it is going to be an uphill struggle and they are up against a deadline. what trump is trying to do is slow up the process because the committee is trying to release a report before the midterms and that is coming up very, very soon. >> you wrote about an article for the guardian in which you said the select committee is expected to authorize further subpoenas and schedule closed door interviews with important witnesses in the coming weeks. how many more people do you expect to be served, hugo? >> it is a really interesting question and sources on the committee tell me they are still deciding. but if you look at the document request that was sent out late in august, this is what is going to give us an indication of where they want to go next with the subpoenas. the first chance for the big names. they want to go straight for the jugular, send a warning to trump world that they'll overturn every inch of the oval office. the next set of subpoenas will be filling in the blanks that they can't get while looking at the records and depositions from the four that were subpoenaed on thursday. that could be as many as several hundred subpoenas. they also want to look at all the people who were prosecuted and indicted by the doj and everyone and anyone connected is a potential witness and i think that is where they'll focus next. >> you mentioned a drop dead time by the midterms ideally the 1-6 committee wants this report out there for americans and voters to be able to see. but when you talk about hundreds of subpoenas and all of the information to go through realistically when do you think they might release this report? if subpoenas are not being adhered to and that wastes more time this could go past november of next year. >> well, this is the huge concern for the select committee. the full committee met for the very first time on monday. the members, council, staff, technical advisers and the investigative team gave a presentation i'm told to the members. and what transpired from this was it is going to be a very long, drawn out process to get all the records that they want. they have congressional notification requirements. every time they go to a company, the companies can stonewall the committee. they are up against a time crunch. the chair went into the meeting saying we might be done by spring 2022. by he left the meeting he said it is not going to happen. it is going to be much later. the time crunch is obviously the midterms. the absolute latest they can do it is january, 2023 because if republicans retake the house they are not going to reauthorize the organizing resolution to reform the committee and investigate themselves. >> you are right. absolutely. hugo lowell from "the guardian" thank you so much for your time. the attention paid to the gabby petito mystery is raising questions about others who disappear with little if any coverage especially people of color. last year of the half million people or so reported missing nearly 40% were people of color. at heinz, every ketchup starts with our same tomatoes. but not every tomato ends in the same kind of heinz ketchup. because a bit of magic unfolds when there's a ketchup for everyone. did you know diarrhea is often caused by bad bacteria in food? 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>> as much as i hate to say this sometimes i think race is a factor. they think that it is not as urgent for us. >> reporter: david had to hire his own private investigator. >> he is my son, a person, a geologist. >> reporter: in 2020 more than 500,000 people were reported missing. nearly 40% of them were people of color. hundreds of black and brown families who are waiting to get word of their loved one, waiting for a news story, a moment to step into the spotlight and shine some light on their story. >> reporter: the same painful patterns among indigenous women. homicide is the third leading cause of death among native women who are murdered at a rate more than ten times the national average. as we've reported, tribal leaders like eric hemingway of the little traverse bay bands take comfort in the federal government launching an investigation into the abuse and deaths of native american school children and a new task force to find the missing. >> it's the kids. the kids are telling us that you have to look and you have to look everywhere. >> reporter: for now david robinson says all he can do is pray. >> keep the faith. i still don't want to concede and say my son is not here. i just know i'll find him and that is my goal and just having that in mind keeps me strong. >> reporter: and hope that gabby's story will shed light on their own. antonia hilton, nbc news. >> that was heart breaking. my next guest writes i'm tired of violence against women. i'm tired that few care unless the victims are young and white. "boston globe" columnist rene graham joining me right now. thank you. this is a heart breaking topic. it is painful for the families that are hurting. does it really all come down to race in your mind? >> in my mind it does. i mean, alex, that seems to be the driving factor here. if i say lacey peterson or chan ra levy or natalie holloway most adults know who i am speaking about. they may not remember the particulars. if i say jade wagon, nobody knows who i am talking about because their disappearances and murders get no national coverage. they might get coverage in the communities but they never reach the level of natural saturation we see with gabby petito's case. >> you pointed out that the petito case exploded in social media and that accounts certainly for a lot of attention but you heard there in the report there was the father hiring his own investigator. what explains the lack of law enforcement mobilization on the scale of petito in these thousands of other cases? >> it as very good question. david robinson shouldn't have to resort to hiring his own investigators to look into his son's disappearance. the fbi is involved immediately pretty much with gabby petito's disappearance and now look ing for her missing fiance who is on the run. why isn't he getting the same attention? to be perfectly clear gabby petito's case deserves this attention. that is important to say. but so do all the other missing men, women, and don't even get me started on the lack of coverage that trans women especially trans women of color get when they are kidnapped or disappear or are murdered. >> i have to ask you, rene, how does it make you feel that today in this day and age you need to lay out a reasoned argument. you need to advocate for those who still have not been found? >> it's depressing. but it does say a lot about this country doesn't it? this happens again and again. the late great gwen eiffel coined the term missing white woman syndrome more than a decade ago and not much has changed since that comment. we'll see time and time again. you mentioned it in the report. hundreds of thousands of people go missing every year. who makes the decision on which cases get attention and which do not? that is very deliberate. it is not an accident that the case of everyone has been talking about the last two weeks is a young, white, attractive woman. you won't get that for sharterial watts who disappeared about a month earlier in houston whose body was later foun. you heard nothing. you heard nothing about jade wagon, a young indigenous woman who disappeared early in 2020 and whose body was later found. we hear the statistics about indigenous women and people in general and no one talks about it. no one talks about this in the broader sense about domestic violence, about violence against women. it just comes down to this one person and this distraction that everyone sort of gets involved with and then they move on without looking at deeper issues behind violence against women. >> is it not also a coincidence the fact is you have gabby pettito's case in the headlines and therefore we have law enforcement out there almost two weeks now going through this 25-acre swamp looking for brian laundrie, the cause and effect of the publicity? >> well, it becomes its own thing. look, the media has to be blamed in a lot of this. the media decides what deserves coverage and what does not. that becomes its own thing right? then you have law enforcement i think that perhaps feels compelled to follow this case because everyone is talking about it and making comments on social media. then the media has this weird reflective moment where it says oh, gee why don't we cover these other cases but then go right back to the excessive coverage of the gabby petito case. i want to keep reiterating what has happened to this young woman is a tragedy but it is no more a tragedy than what happens to so many other people and what might have happened to david robinson's son in arizona. >> rene graham, being a member of the media it is hard to hear the criticism but you are a hundred percent right and i appreciate your forth right discussion here. thank you for joining me. thank you also for the opinion piece you wrote. fresh perspective on a population that is shaping america's future, next. t is shag america's future, next are the things america makes out here. the history she writes in her clear blue skies. the legends she births on home town fields. and the future she promises. when we made grand wagoneer, proudly assembled in america, we knew no object would ever rank with the best things in this country. but we believed we could make something worthy of their spirit. still fresh bunstopables in-wash scentake booster downy unstopables ♪♪ we believe everyone deserves to live better. and just being sustainable isn't enough. our future depends on regeneration. that's why we're working to not only protect our planet, but restore, renew, and replenish it. so we can all live better tomorrow. ♪♪ an unfolding american success story that speaks to america as the land of opportunity in recognition of national pass panic heritage month. nbc's morgan radford provides a picture of latino economic prosperity. >> latina. proud to be. >> half puerto rican. >> it's an ethnicity. an idty. >> i'm a proud latina. >> queen latina is amazing. >> reporter: a culture that shaped the world. ♪♪ here in the u.s., more than 62 million hispanic-americans call the country home. now the largest minority in the country. drove the population growth in the last decade, more than any other racial or ethnic group. with a combined purchasing power of nearly $2 trillion, so much economic might that if latinos in america were a country they would be the ninth largest economy in the world and with an increasing political influence to match, latinos on the track to be the largest racial or ethnic group in the electorate. ♪♪ but what it means to be hispanic or latino and how it's counted is till a contentious issue. while often united by language and culture hispanic americans have a varied identity. from cuba to the dominican republic and more. 4 in 5 latinos living here are u.s. citizens and while 73% speak spanish at home most believe you do not need to speak spanish to considered latino. and the states with the fastest rate of hispanic population growth? 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