very key house progressives. the marine posted outside the door is what tells us in washington speak, classic signals of this traditional white house, that the president remains in the west wing. this is the latest in a series of meetings the president has been holding. earlier we know he spoke with top democrats, schumer and pelosi and met with key senators who can sometimes be holdouts including sinema, manchin and moderates. joe biden is doing what he did before. he is doing what he said he would, being peace maker. now liberals are threatening to take the bipartisan infrastructure bill which the senate passed last month unless there is a wider impact on the $3.5 trillion impact on the economic agenda. as of tonight there is not a full agreement on that publicly. speaker pelosi saying this back on capitol hill. >> after your meeting with president biden are you still planning on holding a bipartisan infrastructure vote on monday? >> you expect me to be -- we're on schedule, let's put it that way. we are on schedule. that's all i will say. >> thank you, ma'am. >> we're calm. everybody's good. our work is almost done so we're in good shape. >> good shape on schedule on track. that's how the speaker put it there as she moved through the capitol bowels. this is a make or break moment and that's not just what sometimes happens with politicos or over caffeinated people. we will quote for you how "the new york times" put it. quote, no president has ever packed as much of his agenda, domestic and foreign, into a single piece of legislation regarding the spending bill because it really lays out a vision not only for what you might call biden economics or the biden vision for how to get out of covid, this is money for long-term social spending, for a way to stitch together the american social contract in a new era. there is funding for child care, education, paid leave, gender equity. will it happen or will it crumble? some democrats feel that if they go too far with some of this hard ball, there is a scenario they might fail to pass either spending package or infrastructure spending. meanwhile, senator mcconnell is telling democrats they will have to raise the debt ceiling. they're going to have to do it, mcconnell says, without any republican help. that is a reversal from mcconnell's position in the recent trump era which democratic groups are quick to point out. >> so you are expecting then to raise the debt ceiling once again? >> of course, we will never have america default. that would be a disaster. >> republicans are united in opposition to raising the debt ceiling. >> how's it go? joker's to the left of me? i'll let you finish the lyric. it is the top of the show. i want to bring in our guests, mya wylie and howard dean. good to see you both. governor dean, you have been in meetings like this. you ran the democratic party, which meant like joe biden, you had to think about everyone who held a seat, not just those you might have personally agreed with. what do you see ahead here as the meetings continue as i emphasize in this hour? >> you know, the meeting can't resist the democrats in disarray story, although they've been running them for so many years i pass over those now. for mcconnell, mcconnell's got a losing hand here. nothing happens if we pass the debt ceiling. that is, there's no political consequences for either party. if we don't pass the debt ceiling, the republicans are aware of that in their elections in 2022. there will not be a republican majority in either house if the debt ceiling doesn't pass because the stock market will collapse, jobs will hemorrhage, mcconnell knows that. mcconnell is just bluffing as usual, and i wouldn't want to see this for the sake of the country, but from a political point of view, i hope he carries out his threat because we're going to have a much bigger majority in both houses if he does that. >> you're speaking to the kind of republican or mcconnell denialism on every type of policy whether you're talking about the covid issues which in some instances could feint disagreement and others have political ploys that are leaving people sick or dead. it would affect the banks and wall street and affect a lot of normal working people, mya. >> yeah. >> senator warren was talking about this. take a listen. >> what are we trying to raise the debt ceiling for now? to cover the debts that were incurred during the trump administration, and the republicans want to turn around and play political games with that? they want to threaten to blow up our entire economy and actually the world economy over that? they want to throw our good name in the toilet for their political gains? no. >> mya, fact check true. that is how debt works so we're paying the bill for a lot of the bar tab that was run up under trump and republican leadership. i quoted stuck in the middle with you with the biden position, but this is really stuck in the trump with you, which is that trump and the republican party were big spenders. now the bill is due. >> they were big spenders except they weren't spending on improving the lives of the average american, and i think that's really what's at stake and that goes back to governor dean's point, which is we're really talking about bread and butter issues, like whether people are going to have jobs. remember that when government shut down under donald trump, the longest shutdown we've had in the history of this country, we had 800,000 just contractors who didn't get paid who were thrown out of work. all the businesses that supported those. we have not recovered as an economy yet. we're in better shape thanks to the fact that we've been investing in the ability of american people to put food on the table, but this really is whether our politics recognizes that it's about people and not about the political position of the politician, him or herself, and that biden as a centrist, and let's remember, he is a centrist, he has come up with a very aggressive plan to invest in people because it's the right thing to do to continue to recover, not just this economy but, frankly, a future for the country. that's really what's at stake. >> governor? >> i think that's right, but it's the politics that interest me. look, mcconnell's a smart guy. i -- how can you really be a kneelist. i did everything i could to stop everything from happening. what kind of legacy is that. he's certainly no mike mansfield for damn sure or ebb dirkson. i think it's ridiculous. he's not going to get away with shutting the country down. it's a stupid thing for him to do and it's going to help the democrats get re-elected big time and throw people out. you think the people who lose their jobs are going to vote for j.d. vance or some other crack pot. pennsylvania is a swing state. i don't think he's going to do it and i don't think he has much choice. >> howard, as always your substance is on point. as for your sick political burns, i will say telling someone you're no senator dirkson, they either have to be really into politics or a historian but to get that burn. >> dirkson's important to the civil rights bill. that's pretty incredible. republicans used to be real people in those days. >> shout out to senator dirkson. go ahead, mya. >> mcconnell has decided his future is in the supreme court, and i actually -- i think you're right, governor dean, about what's at stake here and that it's a bad political move, but unfortunately mcconnell has said i've transformed the country in the courts and my own image and that's very dangerous for the country. >> i think that's a fair point you're both hitting on, which is the way he's standing against everything, standing to thwart progress is the legacy he wants to preserve which brings us to another news update i have. dr. dean, it's always good to see you. mya stays with me for this one. bipartisan police reform talks, which is something we've been covering on "the beat" since their inception. we've been wondering if it was worth it but democrats like cory booker and others said give them a shot. the news tonight, these talks have collapsed. the three lead negotianegotiato congresswoman bass, senator booker and tim scott from the republican party basically making it official, calling it quits today. a key sticking point is something we've reported on from the start. many experts and blm movement activists said you need to reform qualified immunity that shields police. if you don't do that, you don't get anywhere. here's how senator booker put it. >> the effort from the very beginning was to get police reform that would raise professional standards, police reform that would create a lot more transparency and then police reform that would create accountability and we're not able to come to agreements on those three big areas. >> that is being very diplomatic. before i bring mya back in, i want to put our news context on this for you. it's been 485 days since a police officer murdered george floyd. congresswoman bass is out with a statement calling on president biden to step up and do the rest of this through executive orders. i bring mya wiley back in on the conversation. an expert on these issues including someone who's been at the policy level dealing with police, doing civil rights oversight of the nypd which you did in the de blasio administration before running for mayor yourself. i think viewers understand you not only care about the issue, but you understand it's not all of course one snap thing. officers have rights, so do the people they patrol. my question to you is, number one, what does it mean that reforming this bullet proof legal shield that police have that no one else has, what does that mean to stop this cold in its tracks on substance and, two, are you concerned that republicans played the same old game and wasted nine months of the biden agenda when they were never going to meet in the middle? >> yeah. look, there is no justice in this country if you can't hold police who do wrong accountable. and the major problem we've had is that people abused by the police have simply seen no justice. and when there's no justice, there's no peace. it's really that simple. and qualified immunity has been a huge barrier to getting some of that justice, getting to go to court if the system doesn't work for you to be able to take an officer to court and say you violated my constitutional rights, so i don't think there's any question that this is pivotal and important. and whether -- you know, i think fundamentally if the republican party doesn't see a role for true police accountability, then we really are at an impasse. i would say it made sense to try to have those conversations because there is, as you point out, ari, there is a real conversation about how do you protect against police just being -- paying out of their own private pocket when they're just unpopular but they actually follow the law. there's a way to craft that where you're transforming qualified immunity so it's not a blanket protection. that i don't know if that conversation was happening in a real way, but unless we have that as a country, we're going to continue to see black and brown people killed, we're going to continue to see people who are not trusting of the police and we're going to have a problem that we should be able to solve that, frankly, we all need solved. >> yeah. i appreciate your points on all of that. with regard to immunity, as you mention, there is nuance there but republicans said in public that they weren't going to budge on that. at a certain point if the democrats saw that as essential, it's in the george floyd house version, then you have to decide when do you pick up and put on more pressure. joe biden has led on many things. we were talking about how packed his agenda is and he's in meetings tonight. mya wiley on more than one topic tonight, thank you as always. >> thank you. >> absolutely. donald trump going back to court. he's suing his own family and "the new york times." we have joyce vance here to tell you what you need to know. and that's not all. a lot more in the program tonight developing news about january 6th riot indictments and we have a very special guest on the roots of republican extremism. how lives have blown up in the gop's face. stay with us. each lasting 4 hours or more, you're not the only one with questions about botox®. botox® prevents headaches in adults with chronic migraine before they even start, with about 10 minutes of treatment once every 3 months. so, ask your doctor if botox® is right for you, and if a sample is available. effects of botox® may spread hours to weeks after injection causing serious symptoms. alert your doctor right away, as difficulty swallowing, speaking, breathing, eye problems, or muscle weakness can be signs of a life-threatening condition. side effects may include allergic reactions, neck and injection site pain, fatigue, and headache. don't receive botox® if there's a skin infection. tell your doctor your medical history, muscle or nerve conditions and medications, including botulinum toxins, as these may increase the risk of serious side effects. in a survey, 92% of current users said they wish they'd talked to their doctor and started botox® sooner. plus, right now, you may pay zero dollars for botox®. ask your doctor about botox® today. the best things america makes are the things america makes out here. the history she writes in her clear blue skies. the legends she births on home town fields. and the future she promises. when we made grand wagoneer, proudly assembled in america, we knew no object would ever rank with the best things in this country. but we believed we could make something worthy of their spirit. ♪♪ (calls dog) buttercup... 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"the new york times" responding, because it is now a defendant in this case, the lawsuit is an attempt to silence independent news organizations. we plan to vigorously defend against it. this is not a drill, it is an attack on the free press. it is a former president doing something that frankly most former presidents never do, which is spend their time out of office suing journalists and family members they oppose. former federal prosecutor joyce vance is here when we're back in just 60 seconds. why include the most advanced active safety system in its class...standard? because when you want to create an entirely new feeling, the difference between excellence and mastery is all the difference in the world. the lexus es. every curve, every innovation, every feeling... a product of mastery. get 1.9% apr financing on the 2021 es 350. experience amazing at your lexus dealer. what do we want for dinner? get 1.9% apr financing on the 2021 es 350. burger... i want a sugar cookie... wait... i want a bucket of chicken... i want... ♪♪ it's the easiest because it's the cheesiest. kraft. for the win win. usaa is made for the safe pilots. like mac. who can come to a stop with barely a bobble. with usaa safepilot, when you drive safe... ...you can save up to 30% on your auto insurance. usaa. what you're made of, we're made for. get a quote today. joining me now is it former federal prosecutor joyce vance. your views on donald trump's new suit against both his family and "the new york times." >> this is a curious lawsuit, ari. the word frivolous is not a word that lawyers throw around lightly about lawsuits because it has implications. trump's learned that. this suit boarders on frivolous. as to mary trump and the allegations that she violated her contract with donald trump in disclosing these documents, the complaint fails to point to a specific provision in the agreement between them that she breached. and that's of course essential if you're going to prove a contract claim. there would be no reason to withhold that in the complaint. it could even mean that the complaint would be subject to a motion to dismiss. so at least on its face without having access to the primary documents, this doesn't look like a lawsuit that's going very far. >> i kind of get what he's doing because he's done this before and he uses courts as a kind of a theater. trump university was a case that he lied about repeatedly. he ultimately paid millions to people that he -- by paying them had signaled that he may have defruded them although he had a settlement that didn't technically admit fault. i get what he's doing. i get why he's doing it. mary trump does as well with her somewhat cheeky comments. what i don't get is the when. do you have any insight legal or otherwise as to this coming up now? >> trump usually files lawsuits as an aggressive mechanism, right? this is his history so he might file a lawsuit, for instance, to distract from other things that are going on around him or to try to send a message to people, maybe reminding folks that he does have nondisclosure agreements with them and he will take them to courts to enforce them. it seems like a foolish strategy. if it goes far enough, he'll be subjected to discovery. he would have to ultimately sit for a deposition here so that seems to imply that he knows that this case -- this is more of a stunt, perhaps a fundraising strategy than it is a legitimate effort. >> yeah. >> but new york has a relatively new statute, an antislap statute that will let mary trump seek a fast track dismissal of the charges and to get attorney's fees, to have them awarded to her. so it looks like a bad legal strategy for the former president. >> yeah. you're referring to some of the types of laws that try to protect first amendment and free press freedoms to make it less onerous to defend. >> i want you to know what our colleagues thought about this which is what i did, tiptoe up to some of the words we can't say. look. >> i know you reported on this lawsuit that donald trump has filed today. >> i just -- just got it. >> mary trump and "the new york times." right above it is mary trump's comment and i can't say it on tv. it's -- >> yeah, you can't. there's part you can't say on tv. >> i don't think the "times" is going to have the same comment. i think he is an f'ing loser. >> joyce, that's also a free speech claim. she can say what she wants. that's not what she's going to say in court though, huh? >> one would think when she was first given the news of the lawsuit there might have been a little bit of shock and surprise involved in her response. she certainly is a straightforward, plain spoken woman. >> respect. and diplomatically put, counselor. joyce, good to have you on all aspects of this story, the seriously legal and the zany. good to see you. >> good to see you too, ari. >> appreciate it. when we come back, we have a very special guest on the long history of lies that have blown up in the republican party's face. later tonight, someone who goes all the way back to aretha and whitney, the music legend clive davis is on the beat. stay with us. ♪♪ hi mr. charles. we made you dinner. aww, thank you. ♪♪ aww, thank you. you need an ecolab scientific clean here. and you need it here. and here. and here. which is why the scientific expertise that helps operating rooms stay clean is now helping the places you go every day too. seek a commitment to clean. look for the ecolab science certified seal. 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>> well, it's one thing to be for limited government. it's one thing to be as the founders were, for a government of limited delegated and enumerated powers, this, however, is beyond poll tickets. that clip is paralyzing with its sheer insanity. i don't know how you reach people like that, ari, i just don't. something that's happened to a small group of americans who define their happiness as the unhappiness of everybody else. they're addicted to furiousness. i actually think dopamine is released in the brain when they get angry. they're only happy when unhappy and i don't know what you do with them besides quarantine them, try and get on with politics without them because they're not coming back. >> it's interesting you say psychological, george, because you referred to anger, which is ancient, but i'm thinking of internet trolling, which is recent, because that's part of where it occurs. and donald trump's use of twitter and delight in the cynical angering or triggering of others as a political philosophy and priority was confessed and admitted. as you know, george, not all of the right but some on the right say, oh, we will, quote, unquote, do this to trigger the liberals. the goal isn't even ostensibly about government policy or as you mentioned limited government, but, rather, to anger other fellow citizens, george. >> trying to imagine, ari, the law that you can pass that would satisfy these people. we had civil rights difficulties. voting rights act, public accommodations, pass a law. i don't know how you would deal -- how legislation wraps itself around this kind of grievance. i don't know how much of this we can blame on technology. i don't want to be a technological determinus. i used to believe, i'd like your opinion on this. the quantity of stupidity relative to the size of the population is constant or maybe it is just but the social media gives velocity to stupidity. >> yes. >> i think some of these people, we have rewired their brains in away. they are attached in the most unhealthy way to their screens and it's beginning to disable their ability to function in society. >> i take your point and i agree with your framework. i don't think we could be completely blaming technology or only putting it on technology, but you just said it. the velocity, the idea that what used to be up on the bathroom stall, which still spread rumors but had a real grain of salt, is now on every page. people say, well, i saw on facebook that they're going to give out the vaccine in salad dressing, people say on facebook like that means it was somehow credible. but depending on whose page it was, it might be the bathroom stall. i say that by way of introduction to the last thing we wanted to ask you about, which is michael flynn who exercised significant power in our government taking that approach to conspiracy theories. take a look. >> somebody sent me a thing this morning where they were talking about putting the vaccine into salad dressing or salads. have you seen it? >> yes. >> have you seen it? >> and i'm thinking to myself, this is a bizarreo world. these people are seriously thinking about how to impose their will on us in our society and it's -- >> taking away your choice. >> for those who want to watch more of that, you'll have to find it yourself. george, we only subjected you to 12 seconds. your final thoughts, big picture, on where we go from here. >> that's exactly how conspiracy theorists think. somebody september me. donald trump's favorite loqution is saying they're saying. the sense of mystery by having no actual referent in the real world. you can learn a lot from the vocabulary of these people. that was a case study in how paranoid people think. somebody said to me. they're saying. we've heard this for years from donald trump and we're going to keep hearing it, i'm afraid. >> yeah. george, thank you and i'm going to shout out folks can check out american happiness and its discontents. george will's book out now. up ahead, a major challenge decades in the making. civil rights leaders calling for more action. stay with us. also later tonight, clive davis. we've got a lot coming up. rojecg at any given time. i absolutely have to be sharp. let me tell ya, i was struggling with my memory. it was going downhill. my friend recommended that i try prevagen and over time, it made a very significant difference in my memory and in my cognitive ability. i started to feel a much better sense of well-being. prevagen. healthier brain. better life. your mission: stand up to moderate to severe rheumatoid arthritis. and take. it. on... ...with rinvoq. rinvoq a once-daily pill can dramatically improve symptoms... rinvoq helps tame pain, stiffness, swelling. and for some rinvoq can even significantly reduce ra fatigue. that's rinvoq relief. with ra, your overactive immune system attacks your joints. rinvoq regulates it to help stop the attack. rinvoq can lower your ability to fight infections, including tuberculosis. serious infections and blood clots, sometimes fatal, have occurred... ...as have certain cancers, including lymphoma, and tears in the stomach or intestines, and changes in lab results. your doctor should monitor your bloodwork. tell your doctor about any infections...and if you are or may become pregnant while taking rinvoq. take on ra. talk to your rheumatologist about rinvoq relief. rinvoq. make it your mission. if you can't afford your medicine, abbvie may be able to help. we've got you taken care of, sgt. houston. thank you. that was fast! one call to usaa got her a tow, her claim paid... ...and even her grandpa's dog tags back. get a quote. super emma just about sleeps in her cape. but when we realized she was battling sensitive skin, we switched to tide hygienic clean free. it's gentle on her skin, and out cleans our old free detergent. tide hygienic clean free. hypoallergenic and safe for sensitive skin. ♪♪ (calls dog) buttercup... 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i guess the most well-rounded snack isn't round at all. it's more cashew-shaped. planters. a nut above. i want to thank bmg, j. records of course the whole team. clive davis. >> mr. clive davis. >> clive davis. >> it's my honor to pay tribute to clive davis. >> clive davis we welcome you as we induct you to the rock and roll hall of fame. >> talking about the '60s, '70s, '80s, '90s, 2000s. he's made the sound track, you know, for our lives. >> iconic artists across many genres all heralding one person music mogul clive davis. he guided countless other careers from barry manilow to santana. we talk to many artists on "the beat" but there's no single living person cited across more different genres and decades than clive davis. he rose from humble broken beginnings and never stopped rolling or innovating which is why he seems like kind of a real life forrest gump of the music industry. he was there discovering a 19-year-old whitney houston. he was there with diddy dismissed as a passing fad. he was there at the monterrey pop festival back in '67 discovering and signing the great janice joplin he's telling me about in our interview airing for the first time. >> everybody with flowers in their hair and here was i in khakis and a white tennis sweater, okay? i was not prepared to see new orleans. i was certainly not prepared to see what was musical revolution, not just social, not just cultural but music revelation, revolution and then the voice, janice joplin and i'll never forget it as i'm telling you the story. the proverbial took place. it was really dramatic. i was seeing an audience i never experienced before. i had never sign an audience before. i was determined to sign big brother and company and janice joplin and i did. >> davis, who is chief creative officer at sony went on to sign paul simon, bruce springsteen, jennifer hudson while keeping the intensity of a pure fan. he accounts going to see aretha franklin in her late 30s and wondering what else she could do in this unfair business. >> i'll never forget when i was going to her house and we were going to meet for the first time that i knew more than any other orders that i ever met because she was already the queen of soul that everything that she would do would be history. everything that she did, sang would be meaningful to all the generations to come. i met her when she was nearing 40 and she as all orders are hungry to be on top, stay on top. one of the first questions is do you think i could have hits once i reach 40 years old? i've not had any hits in the last two years of my career. i said i believe you can, and the challenge to collaborate with you will be my mission as much as any discovery of a brand-new artist. it a privilege. >> aretha went on to earn his first gold record in even years. i was keen to hear work of davis' artist we cited on several reports on "the beat." ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> the revolution will be live. he was years ahead of main stream culture on years ahead of challenging corporate media to capitalism to racism and in our discussion he credits david heron as the first wrapper. >> the first i was having cutting edge, dazzling in person, would not make the sacrifice to participate and broaden his musical appeal without -- it was synonymous with him that it would interfere with really that word cutting edge and so talented and one of the earliest, greatest rappers ever. >> i love that idea of him as the foundation of rap because of the way he would do the spoken word poetry and some of it rymed and some of it was social commentary. at the end of every genre, it blends into a new one. >> genre bending part of our conversation. some of this may sound obvious because it works and clyde davis is buffeted by decades of success. what is more striking is to see how many times he basically managed to stay at the top by trying new things and bringing other people along so at a time when many executives were opposing or didn't get new voices whether joplin or heron, davis kept his ears open and he met with sean puffy combs that played davis music with notorious b.i.g. to help launch the bad boy record label. >> you know, he was, i think 21 at the time. he was an executive that worked at records. he was not famous. he had done one or two perhaps concert promoting events. he came as a very young man to the meeting. i only knew of his background mainly by hip-hop music. i knew the background of puffy was much closer, vastly closer to the street than either i or self-admittedly baby face were and he said you've got to admit, not me personally, but you got to help me get to 40 to admit hip-hop. that was a tough order of the day. most people never thought that rap would dominate top 40 or even be prominent in main stream pop top 40 and i bought into that vision. we did cross over. we did get top 40, and we would be east coast because record combination. >> it's all true and those are some moments from this new clive davis interview. as you can tell, those are clips. i invite you to watch it all on youtube. go to our beat with ari twitter page or search melber and clive davis interview. he thinks in paragraphs and i appreciate listening to it. go deep. again, encourage you to check it out online or when you have time. tonight here on "the beat" we end with a programming note and a note of appreciation. here is a headline from an outlet that covers tv news. media ite reporting "the beat" is the longest running 6:00 p.m. show in the entire network history of msnbc which they found a news worthy distinction. george will made a brief ef reference to this earlier. i didn't know he was going to do but it was nice. we are grateful to you, the msnbc and beat community that does support our work and watch and keep us on the air. we're grateful to our guests and colleagues and this devoted team that puts on this show every night. we're also greatful to the journalists who make msnbc what it is, which includes a shoutout to many faces you'll recognize who've led this very hour over the years. >> welcome to "politics nation" i'm al sharpton. >> hello and welcome to the first edition of our new program. >> now, here is dan. >> good evening, americans and welcome to the "ed show". >> the battle for the white house entered two florida courtrooms tonight. >> will either presidential candidate be able to bail us out of this economic mess? >> there are times we all remember in politics, this will be one of them. >> many, many memorable times. some great faces there. all of us may be ageing a little bit as we go. so again, i want to thank our team, our guests, everyone at msnbc and you, the viewers. we keep you in mind and we do work hard every day to share with you what we think will be news worthy, important, maybe sometimes enlightening. i'll close with a bar, what a long strange trip it's been, and it's not even over. thanks for watching "the beat." if you have thoughts about the past four years or future, find us online @arimelber on social media or ari melber.com. "the reidout" with joy reid is next. >> i wasn't ready. that is awesome. dream come true interview. he's amazing. congrats on that. >> thank you, i didn't mean to catch you off guard. it is your time, you know. [ laughter ] >> i mean, it's -- that's fair. firm by fair. [ laughter ] >> i need to be ready for it. thank you very much. have a good evening. >> peace. >> good night. good evening. we begin "the reidout" with a party willing to destroy the u.s. economy to own the libs. they are refusing to vote to increase the debt ceiling. according to a report from a breach could wipeout $15 trillion in household wealth and surge the

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