from donald trump to the secretary of state in georgia, brad, and in the letter trump asked him to start the process of the certifying the election. and i know we read a lot here on the program it's to prepare the show for. you sometimes are paying very close attention, sometimes are in the proofread. and i thought oh and you document had surfaced from those heavy days between the november election and january six. those days when donald trump was trying everything he could to and the american democratic experience. you know when he was attempting to install himself a loser over the candidate who won in clear violation of the rule of law and the will of the people. but i was wrong. trump said that will letter for days of go. on september 20 need 20 1:17. and it is a reminder that may have moved on from the last election, donald trump is not. and the fraction of american politics he controlled, and controlled has not moved on either. and that friction controlled one of the two viable political parties in the country. which is to say that faction is just a coin flip away from seizing card anytime. so we have dodged a bullet of the 2020 election. but we are still getting the reminders of just how close we came to losing this democracy. and how active the threat remains going forward. yesterday another document underlining precisely that threat became public. now this one actually is from that period between the election in january six. it is a memo written by a right-wing lawyer by john c. eastman he is a member of the society, actually he recently coauthored an opinion piece for fox news with none other than john who. was the legal architect of the torture regime under president george w. bush. now john c. eastman i'm going to try to put this as charitably as possible, john c. eastman is somebody who's willing to argue for views in positions that the vast majority of constitutional scholars would not just reject. but left it. for instance, questioning whether kamala harris is a national born citizen. and therefore eligible to be vice president. that piece that johnny's been wrote last august you'll never guess, donald trump, who's always looking for one or two people who will agree with him to give him some gravitas for his nonsense. and so you'll never guess when it came time to overturn a democratic election, john c. eastman became one of trump's go to people basically arguing for it could be. i don't genuine for the new york times reported that john c. eastman was delivering a last-minute pitch at the white house, to trump and pence about what the vice president could do to overturn the election on january six. in his new book bob woodward and robert costa reported more details about that >> woodward acosta also obtain these memo in which he lays out the six-step planned he presented to trump and pence that day. as he tried to pressure the then vice president into a seizing power. the memo described, blow by blow, how he saw the skin playing out. and the key point in this scenario. is he's basically for mike pence to serve the whole democratic process of the country. he called on pence to convert what is administered a role, presiding of the counting of the votes, into a substance vote, in which pence declares a lot of electric themselves. and therefore throws the election to the house of because they had 26 state caucuses they would prevail. and what that would mean to extend john c. eastman logic, is that the vice president, the sitting vice president, residing of the accounting of electoral votes could always essentially veto the election. could just side that i don't believe for the next president is. or i could just throw the votes of the house. or congress giving the vote to the american people. why have an election in the first? plus obviously if that was a case america would not be a democracy. and in a recognizable sense, here's the thing, it's really not clear what would've happened if mike pence had followed john east and. we don't know. we do know that pence was trying to that he was kooky areas if you will. according to one wooden costco he called dan quail, they've described quill as adamant telling him >> and ultimately as the mob of trump supporters at the capitol chanted hang mike pence. and they bashed in the heads of police officers defending the building, pence did the only thing the constitution would let him do, he did the right, thing the only option, to the great just disappointment of john easton who spoke at the rally that morning. famously. a heavy insurrection. and then denounced the vice president on the same show that evening. that's after the crowded storm the capital costing several people their lies after the cops heads have been bastion on live national television. one week later falling processed about his participation on january six john c. eastman had to retire at his job at a california law school. but we basically retired in comfort. he is still a member of the federal society, so good jobs that will society. ultimately he's part of an important story from the last election. that there were more conservatives ultimately in key positions who are willing to do the right lawful thing than those are who are not. there were more brad raffensperger than donie stones you might say. he is a notable figure because just of how much pressure has been put it on him in his state and. are we now know the full scale of that pressure point. he was given an unlawful -- brian kemp urging him to persuade the state legislator to overturn president biden joe biden's victory in the state and asked the governor to order signatures >> and now infamously the former president place are long called to secretary state brad raffensperger to try and get him to change the outcome of the vote. that's interesting we found another, way i always wondered what that is, i think it's probably the eastman plot that he's talking about when he says he found another way. i don't know. eight months later trump is still at it. with this letter again. it was sent four days ago. this september claiming >> brad raffensperger is now facing a primary challenge who trump is indoors, and another trump endorsed candidate running for state so native, is one of the key he was outside the capital on january six he has been involved with the preposterous arizona audit. he wants to oversee elections in the state of arizona. so just imagine if both of trump's candidate had stopped -- if they're in power and the swing states in 2024 rule around, and that john eastman member gets dusted off. i hate to tell you this is a possible future. on the state steps are taken to prevent it from happening. and who better to discuss this than georgia secretary state brad raffensperger himself. his new bergen tech really counts is out, and he joins me now. it's good to have you mister secretary. maybe let's start with the reaction getting that weather in symptom or 17 on the expert saying that you're still stonewalling the proven facts that the election. well we're not selling anything, the point that the county reopened we relation probably three or four weeks ago, and were continued to investigated. and i want to have all of the filing of the reports that will handed over to the state election board in this position. at the end of the day it's been really now pushing ten months now since the november election. but we continue to fight disinformation, i'm all this election every allegation was made, which i put in my book we ran down the chaplain and we fonda that it wasn't supported by the 66,000 of underage voters there were zero he said where they are 10,000 dead people, that's less and a handful. there's things like that and it takes time to do that, but we do our re-search, and we do isn't based on the fly. so it's just an issue that we have. i'll see you and i do know at the end of the day we have honest and fair elections and make sure that while all of the constitution and follow the sale. in terms of following the law he recorded that i think someone in your staff recorded the conversation with the president. you know there's this debate about what exactly to call the thing that we saw unfold between november and january. culminating in that violet mom, contesting things how do you characterize the president when he tried to do in the phone call? . obviously he's been fun information by a long period of time and i don't know if you believe the if you like you have the game, but i do know that the books are coming up i'm paul workers. he was behind virtually the whole year of 2020. and so shout out to him that he came up short, but we do have data work, they didn't work for biden but yet they voted down below. i'm voting for all the other races and in the metro area, over 20,000 people more voted for senator padilla. then they voted for president trump. and the republican congressional air over 30,000 votes received by the congressman said -- i'm just being a little rhetorical there but there's the fact we just don't have the votes across the state obviously you take it a lot of criticism from the president and a lot of other folks i mean i know you have a very high turnout, a lot of people were able to vote, we saw some voting lines in those versus the voting and it seems like it was pretty officially the and then he had three counts to verify its accuracy and tony 20 new voting machines right before the new election that tapping into a 20 all the issues that you have we have 159 counties and were oversee that but they did an amazing job making sure north, some were supported you 50 but everything was under an hour. so this sounds to me like a success story right. and there's been a lot of attention on election administration in georgia, so here's my question for. you i know that your supporters. the law that was passed on strike both houses, in georgia in the election. was signed by governor call we know was accurate. they counted three times. it's had more scrutiny than that they had their election, lots of people voted. why would you look at that and say that is a problem we have to fix this. >> we do typically every two, years we will give an update but if you will guam behind back to the 20 2018 election, now this election was beside that which was voter fraud, but a lack of confidence so we moved we now using signature match a good solid process it was just very -- but here's my question for you. here's the thing and i heard you say before. that this is restoring confidence. i read other republicans say. thirties and say for the erosion of complications. which are talking about. we're gonna change diversification procedure. from signature match to the new procedure. and the reason why their star confidence, the confidence is taken away by lies. constantly told about the election. if i go around saying brad wrap and the bergen is a gambler, you have to keep an out of the casino. and if we do that we have to say why? because people think you're an inveterate gambler. and there's a perception. that's not a good enough reason. you can point to the misinformation and rebuilding contacts just for those who rely >> well the fbi to that we increase days early and we need early voting so now we have 70 days there's a bunch of mail-in ballots, there's absentee ballot, there is a huffman county investigation of action, and i think you said on the action that you intend to cooperate with this investigation, i want to know have yet contact with them? have you prepared them with any documents, or has anyone from your staff interviewed by their investigators? >> they've already interviewed several staff members, and also have sent documents. and so we fully intend to comply with that. and i don't know whether pace is for that. i think the other one there is the january six investigation. and i think we're just going to have to wait and see. at the end of the day, were pretty busy here in georgia. -- >> final question for you january 6th, by conditioned permission to let community in washington, i think you've announced that you don't tend to cooperate with them. i wanted if that is still your position. >> well i've noticed that a former republican came from the sensitive side, and we'll just have to wait and see. >> okay georgia secretary of state brad raffensperger thank you very much, i really appreciate you for making time tonight. >> thank you. >> house democrats are working to prevent another president like donald trump from abusing the power of the office. today introducing a bill that with the mid presidential power, congressman adam schiff introduced the bill today, he's here to explain how far goes, to prevent anything like the last 40 years, after this. this. sadly, not anymore. wow. so sudden. um, we're not about to have the "we need life insurance" conversation again, are we? 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>> this goes really modeled after acted in all serious a reformer, designed to address the abuse and such as the nixon administration. this kind of package of reform exported and expedite congressional subpoenas. . so that we can't do administration and four year after year after year. it strengthens penalties for violating the hush. so white house can't hold a political convention on white house grounds. or reduced federal employees are campaign workers. it protects against the use of the part and it told statutes limitations for president who commit crimes. so they can't simply avoid the prosecution. -- it protects it inspector generals it protects whistleblowers it strengthens the independence of the social justice department. and chris that just a partial. is >> what seems to me that you can imagine a world that this could be bipartisan, insofar its congressional subpoenas. you know there's a partisan interest, air and then there's a different branches of government interest. you know, much of what trump did much could say that it rendered congressional subpoenas pretty empty. i imagine republicans are gonna want to use that power again. but i think i know my answer to the question. but do you have a republican interest in this as well. >> well chris i hope that we will, you know of course they live in so many that are in fear and the statement of the former president of criticizing. them or supporting the pro-democracy appears as if it's v to say this conduct of office. so we have to get over that fear factor in terms -- of many of the reforms the, individual reforms in this bill, passed the republican support in the, pass some of the republicans were leaders of effort in order to protect the general admissible. some republicans introduced legislation in the past two to expedite the congressional subpoenas. and i would hope that they would recognize, look these are things that they should. what no matter who the president of the united states. this they ought to be defending their own institution without oversight. we can be effective. >> i want to play for you what i just said on that question, which is the secretary state of georgia, i asked him about compliance, and corporation with the generators committee, here's what he had to say. >> the vice president in the meeting i had in the oval office with him on the president on january 4th, specifically asked me, do you think i have the authority to simply unilaterally decide gina mccarthy that certain of these electoral votes are invalid? and i said that's an open question this is a direct code and whether or not you have that authority the fact that the legislatures have not defied the alternate slate of electors, would make it foolish to exercise it. and that's why at the end of the day what we were asking was simply that he had pleaded requests from a number of the state legislatures, and to delay things so that they -- were not coming back in the formal session. the governors were viewed the calling in the formal session today with, this they were now back in the normal section, and they wanted to look at it. >> that was obviously not the secretary of state of georgia, that was the conservative john eastman who had been advisement the former president of how to get mike pence to overturn the election unilaterally. through a very tortured reading of his constitutional duties. it seems to me that the late to the project that you're engaged, and in so far as the ultimate power using the power of the office to stay in office. which is was contemplated here, and what it seems to me needs to be a firewall against. >> well absolutely weather was the right quid or, not both are very pertinent and intuitive for the january six committee. we are going to be making an excuse of recommendation about how to protect our democracy going forward, from efforts that you just heard described. where they would continue with the spirit of the, law and put our country into a constitutional crisis. by trying to overturn the clear election results from the will of the voters. so will be addressing that on the january six committee. in terms of the georgia secretary of state said, and we already talked about how we might corporate the committee, and now that we have republican staff as we have democratic staff, look our committee as a cardigan. our members are bike artisan, our staff is bipartisan, and our work is non carbon but i there's no reason why the secretary could not -- with us i think he's got an important story to tell the american people but i will say, this you don't get to pick and decide. i like this committee i don't like this committee. when you get a congressional subpoena. you have to comply with. when you get a request for information we hope that you do so voluntarily. >> yeah i guess the question and what is the lesson you've learned from -- i mean you've got a sort of statutory fixing the legend so issuing that you propose today in the subpoenas. what's the lesson that you've learned about tactics or pressure that document requests from the stonewalling that in some ways ended up being partially successful from the trump vote? >> well it was all too successful and except for the fact that we impeach the president over his obstruction of congress but the lesson we learned is number one we need the statutory changes to expedite enforcement without the another president canceling the role to open the courts. in the interim in the meanwhile we do have a mechanism that we didn't have the last four years, which is somebody who filed our subpoenas we can holding contact to make a referral to the justice department, and i won't be ignored by a billboard. so people do will understand that they can face criminal exposure if they do so. and that is not a way that i think any of the trump people have. >> all right congressman adam schiff thanks for making time tonight. >> thank you. >> coming up why the senator who made have 1 million dollars last year loan from the fossil fuel industry in charge of crafting the country's climate plan, that's next. plan, that's next. did you know diarrhea is often caused by bad bacteria in food? try pepto® diarrhea. its concentrated formula coats and kills bacteria to relieve diarrhea. see, pepto® diarrhea gets to the source, killing the bad bacteria. something i don't get to say so, make sure to have pepto® diarrhea on hand. enough is that we actually have some good news on the climate front. but because we're talking about next essential disaster. does come with a big asterisks. the good news is that along every step of the way. experts, people who study this for a living and work on this vastly underappreciated the rate of clean energy deployment and how cheap and how quickly it would get cheap. the only way, the old way of thinking about fossil fuels being cheaper and clean energy meaning a lot of governments of disease, has been flipped on a. ted in fact, one recent paper out of oxford suggests that a rapid transition of green energy would save trillions of dollars based on energy cost alone. that's before you even factor in the benefits of addressing climate change, quoting from the report and if it gets even better, if all the fossil fuel companies stop lobbying against clean power, if we let the renewable continue at the rate that they already are developing quote literally, according to this report if we just sit back and let things develop at the current pace, we will reach near net zero carbon admissions. we probably need to get there sooner than the mid 20 forties. because the clock is ticking on tipping point an air versatile climate destruction. so a strong government is potentially going to get us to where we need to be, quicker. but here's the, thing that's not what we are seeing. instead we are seeing an utterly perverse situation. of special interest false official companies, putting the thumb on the skill of government policies, to artificially extend the life of the fight of fossil fuels. the thing we know is killing the planet. like in congress where this guy is now running the show. >> i'll take on washington and this administration to get the federal government off our backs, and out of our pockets. i sued epa and i'll take that in. at the training though. because it's bad for west virginia. >> that is how joe manchin run for senate back in 2010. seeing the shooting than barack obama's with a rifle, which works symbolically i guess, we didn't pass climate legislation ten years ago, when it wouldn't get much better. to now senator manchin is a watchman in your coleslaw you might say, last year he made nearly half 1 million dollars from coal production. just personally. he's the largest recipient of cold and natural gas money in the senate this election cycle. and he just happen to be the chair of the energy in natural resources committee. which means, he is crafting the democrat climate legislation. and as if there was no obvious already new york time reports that he is committed to propping up cold and natural gas. to use the government to artificially extend the life of the fields were trying to get rid of. which were fitting out anyway. this man will be in charge of drafting the legislation that weather we keep clean fossil fuels and the room they are bringing and will continue to bring, or whether we begin the transition to a clean affordable economy. so what can president biden do to clip his climate agenda life? that's next. p his climate agenda life? that's next. president joe biden delivered his first address the united nation general assembly use that moment to speak on among other topics that virgin need to tackle climate change. >> when we meet the threat of challenging climate the challenging climate we're all feeling, already ravaging every part of our world. with extreme weather or what we suffer the merciless march that have never worst drought in flood more intense fires and hurricanes longer heat waves and rising seas. >> because the sediments the president expressed last week as he toward the ravaging fires last week, saying the stop in colorado, we don't have much more than ten years. as the president works took pushes climate agenda through he much face the reality that the republicans pushing back, the members of his own party holds a razor thin majority. joining me now, the white house climate advisor jean mccarthy in the obama administration. first of all let's start with the protection from the oxford report. is it the white house's view that we have underestimated the paste of green energy. the deployment and actually we could hit net zero with current paste of deployment by c 24? >> well clearly deployment of clean energy is increasing last year we saw solar was the big winner and we expect to see solar moving forward again. but the challenge that we're facing is if you look at the science, it tells us that this is the decisive decade that's why the president is standing up at the un general assembly and talking about what we need to do now not 15 years from now and not 30 years from now but how do we take advantage of the shift to clean energy use it to grow, our connor me both in both the developing world and the developed world. and how do we use that to grow jobs and build opportunities for people. this is the critical moment chris, i think you know it, and i do. which is what we're looking for significant investments from congress, so that we can accelerate the paste of clean energy now. but how can that be achieved if the climate provisions of the reconciliation package are being offered by individuals who have a very invested interest, and i don't think it's a slander against him to say this, i think he would tell you the same, was invested interest for political and other reasons to extend the life of fossil fuels extractions as long as it's possible. well i think senator manchin has been a good i live for the president as he worked on the infrastructure deal. and we received a good outcome from those negotiations and we're working now with senator manchin and with his staff, and with others on the hill to look at provisions in the reconciliation bill, that are going to be essential. the senator manchin is not the enemy senator manchin is working with us every step of the way, and ensure he has questioned, sure he has concerns but we're working through them, and i fully expect that we're going to get a significant investment in the reconciliation bill that is going to help us drive this decade to a cleaner energy future. which we so desperately need if we want to maintain a security our safety and our health. is the u.s. gonna meet its paris target this year? sure we are going, we have actually released our commitment level financially which the president had announced today that we are going to move forward to make sure that our prayers commitment which are about getting us on the path to reduce utility admissions or electricity admissions by 80% by 2030. we're going to have clean electricity by 2035 who are looking at reducing our overall greenhouse gases admissions by 50 to 52%. and by 2030, and we're going to get to net zero by 2050. but i think the icc report, has shown us that we need to be as aggressive as possible. even at the goals we just indicated we really have to move forward this decade. or we won't achieve the kind of escalated productions that the world needs to protect ourselves and give our kids a good future. but we will need our commitments >> the chinese president announced that china will not build new colts by a power project that build a broad. how significant is that? >> it's a big deal because i think those of those who follow these issues know that china has been funding significant amount of cold, utility investments across the country and i think it looks important for all of us including china who is the big carbon admitted right now to actually work together to make sure that we're not just transitioning our own economy but expanding the resources necessary to deal with this worldwide. >> finally the president issued an interesting new regulation or at least a direction for a federal label status in the protecting workers from the impact of rising temperatures linked to climate change and we saw during that heat wave numerous people died on the job outside why take this step? >> well excess heat, or heat stress is called the silent killer in climate we look at the wildfires which you've mentioned the hurricanes the flood and the drug we can all, see that but the silent killer is heat stress. when we saw in june of last year and this pacific northwest, we had high temperatures than we have ever seen before. and temperatures across the country are record breaking. that resulted in hundreds of excess gases thousands of emergency room visits. so we put out a plant that across the government were all working together to identify ways that we can address heat stress and allocate money to keep our seniors safe, get cooling centers in our schools and yes protect our, workers with newly-bystanders. >> -- gina mccartney thank you so much i appreciate it. >> thanks chris. >> coming up we have the first lawsuit under the new texas abortion law, and it's a pretty bizarre situation to be honest, i'll explain why and what to expect from the case after this. this. use a single hr software? 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>> basically texas is said that the state is not going to enforce the, law they're going to put these panties out there for anybody to sue and also any number of people can sue and, the first year law student could sue. although they have no connection to dr. bray they have no connection to the patient san antonio, it is up to lately absurd. and hopefully these two laws that have been filed could get the court to be able to make a decision. i mean the whole collection of us filed two months ago, long before the law was going to go into effect, so we could get an injection, ended up with that ruling from the supreme court where they turned their backs, the department of justice sued two weeks ago and they don't have a hearing until october the, first i mean it's time, hot times the court to step, this is an unconstitutional law, it's an untenable situation in, texas and he needs to be stopped. >> i don't get too technical here, but what's the legal -- who's gonna review this next -- presumably it's a texas state judge, whose has been the side these lawsuits right? are they the ones that's going to step in and say that we're really not going to consider this until the supreme court weighs in or something? >> no they should be rolling once the doctor is actually served. and it gets into the court proceeding. they should be ruling that it's unconstitutional. they can bring this kind of a lawsuit because the law is unconstitutional. so hopefully that will get the on constitution for the law established ad again we can push for an injunction statewide about this. december 1st there will be arguments in the mississippi case and the organization is of the lawyer in this case, in which the court is being asked just burning choir to overturn row. >> that's why mississippi is asked the supreme court to overturn, raw and this is not happen in consideration of that issue in 30 years. so they're asking for 48 years of precedent to be overturned that has been reaffirmed again and again. and the court, the american bar association for the first time on the issue of abortion rights itself and the said that the course integrity is on the line. >> a great showdown between 1000 years of common law legal traditions in the angles facts in the world of counting to five with the justices, nancy north up thank you very much. that is all in for this evening the rachel maddow show starts right now good evening rachel, good evening chris thanks my friend much appreciated, and thanks for you at home for joining us this hour when world war i started in york our president here in the united states was president with joe wilson and woodward wilson was bound and determined that the united states would not get itself involved in the war and that really worked for him politically for a while woodrow wilson was elected in 1912, world war i started and then two years later 1914, president wilting really wanted to stay out of it at all cost. and indeed when he ran for all costs and indeed, when he ran for re-election in 2014, he ran with the slogan "he kept us out of the war." that was true. he had kept us out of a war at that point. that was a popular enough sentiment in the united states at that time that wilson got reelected as president, in part thanks to those bragging rights along those lines, by keeping us out of the great war. he was reelected in 1916, but world war i was nevertheless dragging on, right, and expanding. it started in 1914, it dragged on into 1915, into 1916, into 1917. it involved dozens of countries, a huge swath all over the world that really was re

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