this sunday derek chauvin is in a prison cell awaiting sentencing and will likely spend years behind bars. but as the ap reports in this striking new headline, within 24 hours of the chauvin verdict, at least six people across the country died at the hands of law enforcement. that includes 16-year-old ma'khia bryant killed by columbus police who were responding to a 911 call about an attempted stabbing. and 42-year-old andrew brown jr., shot and killed in elizabeth city, north carolina, by sheriffs deputies serving an arrest warrant. on saturday, the county sheriff said he wants to release the bodycam footage of brown's death but says he can't without a court order. amid the ever-multiplying tragedies, the senate has yet to pass the george floyd justice in policing act but negotiations between the two parties seem to be making progress. >> i think we are on the verge of wrapping this up in the next week or two depending on how quickly they respond to our suggestions. >> joining me now, congresswoman karen bass of california, the lead author of the george floyd justice in policing act. congresswoman bass, thank you for coming back to "the sunday show." >> thank you for having me. >> i would love to have you respond to senator scott. will things be wrapped up in a couple of weeks, and what are these suggestions that he has put forth? >> well, i certainly think things do need to be wrapped up. we've talked about these issues now for just about a year. and so there's a number of key topics that are important, i know, to senator scott. one of them is his bill, the justice act, which we felt did not go far enough. and so you put the two pieces of legislation together and maybe ideas from other people. it might be an opportunity to address some issues we didn't address the first time, such as how you respond to people who are in a mental health crisis. so there's a lot on the table, and i am looking forward to wrapping this up soon. >> let's put up the provisions of the george floyd justice in policing act so everyone can see. one of the main sticking points is the -- right there. the first one. overhauls qualified immunity for officers. last week senator scott floated a suggestion that perhaps not having individual officers be open to lawsuit but maybe having it be the police departments themselves be open to lawsuits by individuals. is that an acceptable compromise to you? >> well, i'm not sure. what's most important to me and to others is that we have to find a way to hold officers accountable to prevent these shootings from occurring. and so you looked at derek chavin who just was looking at the cell phone camera, not a care in the world, because he felt he could respond. he could do what he did with complete impunity. he had numerous complaints against him. and so what can we do to prevent this from happening? and i do think that we need to look at training because i don't know the quality of the training, but maybe it's time to say more emphasis needs to be put on de-escalation. we need to look at other ways to address situations. i know that when police officers are trained to shoot, they are trained to shoot to kill, not to wound. so i think a lot needs to be examined in this time period. >> and so in the negotiations with senator scott, really, how are they going? when i read the news reports and the news accounts of how things are going, the picture is pretty rosy. is that an accurate reflection of what's happening? >> well, i think it is, but i do want to say that we have not started formal negotiations. everything that's happened up until now has been relatively informal. so for negotiations to be formal, we have to have the blessing of the leaders. and hopefully that will come in the next few days. >> ah, that's a key distinction. informal negotiations as opposed to formal. so then, where is speaker pelosi? is she ready for these negotiations to begin? >> oh, i think so. speaker pelosi has been supportive, if not adamant from the beginning. she was so horrified by george floyd's torture and murder that she definitely pushed us to move forward in the house. and she'll be there in support through the negotiations. >> and what signals have you gotten, if any, that the senate minority leader is willing to allow senator scott to move forward with formal negotiations? >> well, senator scott, i do not believe, is acting on his own. he is acting with the approval and support of his leadership. and so, to me, that is a tremendous advantage and also i know that senator lindsey graham is supporting tim scott, and he's the ranking member on judiciary. cory booker, the lead in the senate, and i know dick durbin, the chair of the judiciary committee, is supportive. so i think that everything is set, but we do need our leadership to formally announce the beginning of negotiations and again, i hope that that's within days. and then also our conversations with republicans in the house have been very strong. pete stalper, a former police officer from minnesota. brian fitzpatrick from pennsylvania. josh gottheimer from the problem solvers. all of these folks have been working together and talking, and i do think that the will is there. and certainly the verdict is an inspiration, but you know, jonathan, i'm not going to relax until the sentence happens because the rare times there are guilty verdicts, then i don't want to see a slap on the wrist. i want to see maximum time spent behind bars. >> in a town where negotiations rarely happen and when such a contentious issue, there's such polar opposites when it comes to the parties, hearing you, that last answer, actually makes me even more hopeful today than i've ever been that the george floyd justice in policing act can actually become law. congresswoman karen bass of california, thank you very much for coming back to "the sunday show." >> thanks for having me on, jonathan. joining me now, congresswoman val demings of florida who also served as the orlando chief of police. congresswoman demings, thank you for coming to "the sunday show." >> great to be with you, jonathan. >> so let me get your thoughts on the impact of the verdict on policing in particular. >> well, jonathan, you know, i have watched, as we all have, over the last year this case very, very carefully because i have a foot in two places. one is in my community, the black community of which i am a part of. the other one is in law enforcement, of which i am a part of. i frequently say that everybody counts, but everybody is accountable and you heard me say quite often over the last year, no one is above the law. so when the verdict came down, having served almost three decades in the criminal justice system, to see the justice system work, it was a welcomed outcome for me. but i also understand that we still have a lot of work to do. and i am hoping that we all, because everybody has a role to play, will look at the verdict and use it as a springboard to get more done to meet this moment because, quite frankly, the american people deserve it. >> what impression did you have, the fact that not only did rank and file police officers testified against derek chauvin, but the chief of police, a counterpart of yours, if you were still the police chief of orlando, took the stand and testified against his own officer or former officer? >> you know, jonathan, i believe our criminal justice system, which certainly has its flaws, worked because everybody did rise to meet this moment. starting with darnella who stood there, a teenager, filming the incident from beginning to, unfortunately, the end of mr. floyd's life. we watched witness after witness, including a 9-year-old girl, persons of all ages, including an off-duty paramedic come in on the witness stand and testify. we saw, as you just indicated, the chief of police come in and say what mr. chauvin did was not our policy, nor was it our ethics or our values. and then the lieutenant came in and testified as well as the training officer. no, we don't teach that technique here. and so, you know, quit looking at the case that attorney general ellison put together, very experienced, very focused, very authentic, very well trained and prepared prosecutors. the witnesses coming in. police officers stepping up to the occasion. it ended up in guilty on all three counts. it was a powerful moment. >> the george floyd justice in policing act, as i was just talking with congresswoman bass about, one of the sticking points is the overhaul of qualified immunity. senator scott's compromise is, how about opening up police departments for civil litigation and not individual police officers. as a former police chief, what do you think of that? should individual police officers and/or police departments be able to be held accountable by the public that way? >> well, jonathan, first of all, let me take a moment to commend my friend and colleague, representative bass, on her leader in this effort. while we know we're not quite there yet with the george floyd justice in policing act. we know it's not perfect. we still have a lot of work to do. it is a good start. what i can tell you is right now police departments and individual officers can be held accountable depending on how egregious, how reckless, how outside of department policies their behavior is. but i do believe that we need to modify, look at this issue. what i try to remind individuals, community leaders, i've talked about it with sheriffs and chiefs of police throughout our nation. what we need to do is let's begin by fixing our own brokenness. i've asked law enforcement executives, look within your own departments and make changes. don't wait until, you know, legislators tell you how to do it, what to do and when to do it. fix your own brokenness. look within your department. but i also ask community members to remember that law enforcement has a duty to act. if they see two people fighting on the street corner, they can't simply walk on by and say, well, i'm not going over there because at the end of the day, i might be arrested myself or get in trouble. they have a duty to respond. and sometimes things don't go well because everybody doesn't play by the rules. and so i ask them, community leaders, as we have this very important discussion, let's always keep that in mind, individuals, citizens. don't have a duty to act. you hear people frequently say, if i did that, i would probably go to jail or, you know, you probably would because you don't have a duty to act. you can keep on walking. i would hope you'd call 911. so as we have this very critical discussion, i think we need everybody at the table to get to the place where we need to be. >> all right. i was going to ask you as my next question about what was going on with congressman jim jordan, but we've run out of time. i have to squeeze in two more quick questions for you. one, there are reports that you could be running for governor of florida or for the u.s. senate from florida. true? are you thinking about it? >> i am seriously considering running, jonathan. i have received calls and texts and messages from people all over the state asking me to run because they feel that they are not represented and their voices are not heard. and i believe that every floridian deserves to have representation regardless of the color of their skin, where they live, how much money they have in the bank. their sexual orientation or their religion. so i am seriously considering it, and i will certainly let you know my decision. >> i notice that you didn't specify which office. you are thinking of either one so you'll come back to "the sunday show" and let me know which one you've decided to run for? >> that's absolutely correct. i want to go, jonathan, to the position where i can do the most good. and be the most effective and do the most work. my home state of florida deserves that. and so i'm taking my time. of course, i'm talking to my family and others about it, and i'll make a decision soon, and i'll definitely let you know. >> and one more thing. susan page is on her book tour giving interviews about her book about speaker pelosi. when she was asked about who could be people who could possibly succeed speaker pelosi, your name was among those -- among those mentioned. what do you think about that? would you ever want to be speaker? >> i will answer that with my former answer. i want to go where i can do the greatest work and the greater -- and meet the greater good. and so, you know, i'm honored that my name came up. i'm going to keep working hard and seeing where that hard work takes me. so thank you. >> all right. we went into overtime with that one. congresswoman val demings of florida, also a former impeachment one manager. thank you very much for coming to "the sunday show." >> thank you. tonight, tune in at 10:00 p.m. for a "dateline" special hosted by craig melvin. 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because that's one of the things that african-americans across the country, they look at why is it that police officers, no matter what the call is for, if the person is black, it's shoot first and figure things out later. >> i think there's -- the data are difficult to kind of suss out times. unquestionably that black people are stopped more often by police. searched more often. they are searched more often even though white people are typically, according to most studies, more likely to be carrying contraband, whether it's drugs or illegal weapons. when it comes to shootings, it's a little more difficult because it's hard to say, to isolate each particular incident and to counter for all the possible variables that come out of a shooting. black people are absolutely disproportionately shot and killed by police. in terms of what we can do about it, you -- i don't know that you can sort of teach out racial bias. you know, it's been tried in police departments across the country. i think one thing that we can do is just try to minimize the number of interactions that we have between police and citizens so things like getting police out of the business of traffic enforcement, trying to automate traffic enforcement as much as possible, you know, groups like cohoots where it started in eugene, oregon, where when someone is in mental health crisis, we sound a counselor instead of a police officer. you can have violence interruption groups that have been very successful at reducing homicide rates in the neighborhoods where they've been used. so i think one way to diminish the risk of violence in interactions between police and black people and other marginalized communities is to minimize the number of interactions. and that's not a particularly satisfying answer because it almost sort of cedes the fact that racial bias will continue, but i do think it will save lives. >> president mason, let me give you the last word and get your thoughts on what radley was just talking about. >> so, i think that one of the things we're not talking about is the fact that people fear black people. and we've got to face that head on and address that and address why that fear is influencing how they respond in these encounters with people of color. and i think that we've got to equip officers to figure out how to respond without deadly force. we've got to continue to educate people about understanding and recognizing their bias, and we've got to do a better job of thinking about who we recruit into policing and think about what characteristics, what behavior, what qualifications we want in people who are law enforcement officers, who have this power of control and the last thing i want to say is that's the other issue is that officers think they have to control all of the situations. and that is what often leads to these deadly encounters because people aren't responding the way they want them to respond, whether they have the ability to respond or not. and so we've got to change the culture, change who we recruit and really think about accountability throughout the system. >> and the most important thing you said in that answer is that we have to talk about as a nation why do people fear black people? 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joining me now is the surgeon general of the united states, dr. vivek murthy. thank you for coming to "the sunday show." >> it's so good to see you. >> great to see you, too. so for folks out there who are wondering, now that the j&j vaccine is being administered again, is it safe? >> well, i am so glad you asked. we just completed a thorough investigation of the johnson & johnson vaccine because of the six cases that were identified 11 days ago of a rare but serious type of blood clot. and what the investigation demonstrated was in fact, these rare blood clots are indeed rare. they were 15 total cases found out of more than 8 million people who received the vaccine, which is why all members of the advisory council on immunization practices were in favor of bringing the vaccine back online, of unpausing it. and what remains true today then is that the risks of the vaccine are very, very low compared to the benefits which are very, very high. that's why we now are fortunate to have three vaccines available here in the united states once again. the johnson & johnson, pfizer and moderna. and it remains a very important pathway to turning this pandemic around. we want people to get vaccinated. >> okay. so it is safe to take the j&j vaccine, but there are people who are skipping their second dose. this headline in "the new york times." millions are skipping their second doses of covid vaccines. nearly 8% of those who got initial pfizer or moderna shots missed their second dose, state officials want to prevent that number from rising. what is that about, dr. murthy? >> well, people miss second doses and follow-ups all the time in the medical system. the key question is why. sometimes it's because of logistical barriers. maybe they don't have a way to get to their second appointment. sometimes maybe they think they don't need their second dose. so what is incumbent upon us is to make sure that people have the right information about the vaccines. they know both doses are necessary if they are getting a two-dose vaccine like pfizer and moderna. j&j is a one-dose vaccine and we're still seeing people who prefer j&j for that reason. it's also important we continue to build out access points. and that's why the administration has invested in mobile units, getting vaccines at over 40,000 pharmacies and now increasingly getting vaccine into primary care providers so that people have easier ways to get vaccines whether it's their first dose or their second. >> dr. murthy, so you are just talking about trying to get people to get the vaccine. we've been talking as a nation about vaccine hesitancy. and then you have a sitting member of the united states saying this. take a listen. >> i see no reason to be pushing vaccines on people. what is the point? 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100% fully ada successful voting locations. automatic restoration of rights, pending a constitutional amendment that can end felony disenfranchisement together and increase our voter education and outreach effort. >> senator, as i look through the details of the plan, as they are on the screen, they reminded me of some of the -- a lot of details that are in hr 1 or s 1 "for the people" act. maybe even some of the john lewis voting rights hr 4. was that your template? >> it was my template and building off the voting rights act in virginia i was proud to carry and pasta puts the principles of the federal voting rights act and modernizes them in virginia law. and so, i mean, you're a sitting member of the state senate. running in the primary to become the candidate to run to be the next governor. if you aren't successful, is this a plan you will pursue as a sitting state senator in the legislature? >> absolutely! voting rights is personal to me. you know, in my own family, we face voter 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this morning, 53% of adults say they approve of biden's job as president. a whopping 69% approve of his handling of covid. following nearly 230 million covid vaccines put into american arms. meanwhile, 52% give a thumbs up on his dealing with the economy, including the passage of a $1.9 trillion stimulus package without any help from republicans. that massive infrastructure plan? nearly six out of ten say it's a good idea with high marks like these, how will republicans respond? joining me now senior advisor of the lincoln project stewart stevens, michael harriet, and former kansas governor and former secretary of health and human services in the obama administration, kathleen sebelius. thank you so much for coming to "the sunday show." let's talk about these polls. i want to put up the biden's handling -- umm, ah -- oh, of uniting the country. yes. that's it. uniting the country. 52% -- -- 43% disapprove of his handling -- i also notice within the polling data that uniting the country but also race relations ranked two and three in terms of importance for folks in the country. the total number being 48%. michael, i'll start with you. your impressions at the 100-day mark of president biden and his ability to unite the country >>well, i think, you know, biden has done all you could hope a real president can do. you know, such a stark contrast between our last president and this one that i think a lot of us would get more inflamed stuff on twitter. we can't remember a tweet -- a specific tweet that biden sent. so he's kind of just acting like a president and by de facto, you know, compared to the last president, i think that's why people are approving of the job he's done. but i think it's important to note at his 100th day and throughout his presidency that the people in south carolina, the black people, specifically, in south carolina are the ones who said, hey, look, if we put -- i know you might not like it, but if we put the old, traditional white man in office, he has the experience to get stuff done without inflaming it. when you see the polls about him uniting it, right, some of the more progressive people that you or i might have liked might have enflamed this riot. and biden basically stayed out and said, look, we have law enforcement handle it. the justice department handle it. same thing with the covid bill, right. an experienced legislator kind of found a loophole to pass it. that's the stuff that voters in south carolina were saying, like, we want somebody who is getting something done and what you guys are talking about this stuff. we want him to do the things that we want him to do. and that's the entire point. >> and, you know, you're talking about black voters in south carolina. we got a black voter in north carolina who is coming up who, from the very beginning, was saying joe biden is the man. secretary sebelius, your view? >> well, i think what has been accomplished in 100 days -- is talked about calming the country down. that's important. because, you know, two weeks before joe biden was sworn in, we had a riot at the capitol and people died. 147 republicans voted to try to overturn the election on that same day. it's just shocking. we had 4300 covid tests the day he was sworn in. so these 100 days not only is about calming down, but it's about getting stuff done. and not just the passage of the american rescue act, which is very popular and is juiced the economy to get going, but everything from mask wearing to social distancing to shots in the arm to, you know, we're back in the world. the announcement that president biden is going to go to europe and start with the g7 and go to see nato and we're back in the world health organization and we're getting out of afghanistan is a major step. we're talking about climate in a real way for the first time. gun violence. it's really a remarkable 100 days of effort with pretty unified republican opposition. but the american people are very much behind it. so his bipartisan effort is really reaching out across party lines to the public and mustering through congress what he can get done and so far it's been quite a platform. i think he's not going to stop his pedal is on the gas and i think he's going to continue to figure out ways to get things done that benefit the broad swath of america. >> this is driving republicans crazy. we had senator kennedy -- no relation, talking about wokeeristas. have a listen to what senator mike leigh had to say about president biden. >> he's making barack obama look like ted cruz. he sometimes presented himself to the american people as something of a centrist. he's governing like anything but that. >> well not only that, he presented himself to the american people as kind of incompetent. you know, beyond his prime. it's noblist. a lot of people are like, oh, it's biden -- it pass fied some of the americans and lied to them to the radical policy that he has initiated in the first 100 days. >> and that's congressman chris stewart. but stewart, this is what i find fascinating. republicans are spending a lot of time trying to hurl nicknames at president biden, trying to -- like, going full on hysterical trying to get people not to like president biden and it's not working. the idea he was supposed to be some feebble chief isn't working. why isn't it working? >> well, you know, one of my favorite people in politics is a guy i work for named haley barber, ended up governor of mississippi. he used to say it's good to be something that moves people forward. for now -- all of these things, if they keep trying to scare people about, people, for the most part support, people support our taxes. and they really support our taxes on people who make like $10 million more. people supported what is happening with the covid. but, look, you know, i think there is a paradox here that biden presidency is faced with. on the one hand, it's their job to normalize everything and they've done a great job with that. on the other hand, it's not a normal time. because for the first time, republican party will not accept that a president is a legal president. i mean, no one nominated for president in in the republican party is going to serve in the 2020 legal election. i think this is a profound danger we face that we can't step back from. and the heart of it is racism. it's racist why they disqualified the votes and racists at the heart of the voter suppression laws. >> we'll have to come back and zero in on that part of the conversation another time. but i want to pick up on something, michael, that in that clip we showed, this idea that, you know, biden was supposed to be this centrist. that was one of the reasons why a lot of democratic rank and file primary voters, apparently, didn't like him. why they gravitated to senator elizabeth warren and senator bernie sanders and other people who were considered to be left of center and certainly further to the left than president biden. yet when you look at what president biden has actually done as our senior producer said in our show meeting, you know, sleepy joe is woke. i mean, is that -- is that a fair thing to say that this centrist president, that some democrats were a little suspicious of, is actually governing in a way that they can all get -- can all rally around >>well, i think that's what you're seeing, right. because going back to that clip you played, and i think it's weird to say that people said, well, he isn't as incompetent as we thought he was going to be. that's our problem with him. but the reality is, what is a centrist? what is a centrist? someone who does what the majority of his constituency wants. he indicate of cuts it down the middle. the country is moving a little farther to the left. so joe biden is because he recognizes what the people voted for. i don't think, like, there is a specific objective center position. it is what -- i guess everything is left what the republicans want. and so i think that's the way joe biden is governing and it's important to note he is not like joe biden is creating all of these issues and putting them in place. what he's doing is what trump didn't do. it's hiring people who know what to do and get the policies achieved. that's what a president is supposed to do. it's not always joe biden's idea just as some of that stuff wasn't trump's idea. the fact is that his party and the people who elected him are left. so he's putting in place the policies they want. that's kind of a centrist position. >> right. >> his constituency that is moving forward to the left. >> what do you think about that, secretary sebelius? >> i think michael is right. first of all, you start with what stewart said. the majority of republicans do not even recognize joe biden as president. so they are in some other world. i think president biden recognized from the start he had to work with the majority he had and push things through. he put together the policy council. he changed some of his positions to the time he was running for president to the time he became president. that's good. hst listening. he's opening up to ideas. he put together proposals that look different than where he started in 2019 and early 20120. this is somebody who listens and learns and now figuring out how to get things done with competent managers, with people who have experience. he doesn't want to waste any time. he knows the window may be short and learned during the obama days by 2010 elections, we were basically working on executive orders and administrative things because congress wasn't going to pass a single thing. so i think he knows this is a window that he may have for a longer period of time but he doesn't want to waste any time. he wants to get things done for the american public. that's what i think is surprising people. they've been waiting for congress to do anything. anything! this is thrilling to watch a competent manager come in, get shots in arms, get bills 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minnesota is at the center of this very big national reckoning. >> first of all, thank you for having me on. we should recognize it could happen anywhere and i actually don't believe this is an unlikely event in minneapolis because it could happen anywhere. and, also, because of the history of minneapolis. minneapolis has been known -- minnesota has been known for decades as a place that produces really great music and very high profile, highly liberal politicians. so people know names like hubert humphrey and walter monodale. but they don't know a name like charlie steadvick the mayor of minneapolis, a former police officer who came to office writing on a very nixonist. he won support as an independent from a lot of republican voters and also a lot of very liberal democratic voters who believed in that law and order sensibility of trying to control and contain an increasing black, brown, and indigenous population in the state. so in that wonderful segment we saw earlier on msnbc where people were talking to black voters in minnesota, it's important to listen to white residents of minnesota, also. the majority population and how they respond to the justice department probe, the human rights probe, civil rights probe, and whether they support true reform on the police department or whether they revert back to a system of relying on the police department to control and contain certain populations will determine if true reform can actually happen in minneapolis. because this has played out in minneapolis in the 1960s moving into the '70s. in that case, they chose to stick with the police union that gained a lot of power and a lot of police officers that are in the department now are of that era. so you dismantle that before you can move forward. >> and this is great, charles. i read your book, "the devil you know." and what michelle just talked about in terms of the police being used to control the black population, you get into that and talk about in your book about how those destination cities, where the great migration from south of african-americans from south to north. a lot of sort of electoral and social and political and cultural misery of the black populations in minneapolis and chicago and columbus and so on. you write in your book but have written many times in your column in the "new york times," there needs to be a second great migration but from the north of african-americans back to the south. talk about how what is going on in minnesota factors into your argument. >> i think what you have to remember is minnesota is part of the midwest, which is part of the area in the united states that is not part of the south. when black people migrated out of the south into the north midwest where minnesota is, and west, they were met in large degree by incredibly reimpressive policies, including highly -- policies that highly segregated black populations. in fact, people don't recall, walter monodale just died. he was a young freshman senator when mar ten luther king was killed and the president of the united states, at that moment, literally says we have to get something out of this death. and it was walter monodale who walked the fair housing act through the senate. monodale said the civil rights movement was about punishing people like the south. you're making white people look bad in what you do the fair housing act brought, as monodale said, brought civil right toss the neighborhoods. meaning it brought civil rights north to white people and they had to decide if they were going to put their money where their mouth was and they were truly liberal, were they going to be liberal in the spaces where they live? and what we saw was they were not as liberal as they said. they were liberal in some issues but not on racial e gal tear beganism. for generations, we have seen these cities use hyperpolicing to control where black people can live and how those black people live in those spaces. to me, it's not at all a surprise that these sorts of things happen also in those cities. >> you know as i was watching the trial of derek chauvin, i was thinking about another police-involved shooting in minneapolis. the situations were reversed. the shooting victim was a white woman. the police officer was black. let's -- umm, we have this from the "new york times." a black office, a white woman, a rare murder conviction. hypocrisy or justice? it was the case of a black somali muslim became the first minnesota police officer convicted of murder in an off-duty killing when a jury found him guilty on tuesday way back then in the fatal shooting of justin who was white. i was wondering do you think that conviction of noor sort of set the stage for what was possible in the derek chauvin trial? because i have to tell you, i was there thinking there's no way they could a few years ago convict a black police officer in the killing of a white person but not convict a white police officer in the killing of a black person. >> of course this didn't come up in trial officially. if you live in minneapolis, it's a high profile case. the jurors were aware of that. it was not presented as part the trial but in terms of public opinion, people were aware of that and the fact that if the verdict did not go in the way it did, it would have been seen as rank hypocrisy. and so that was, you know, one -- it was part of the kindling underneath this that this very sort of frautd situation where everyone was watching this verdict with a great deal of consternation. and though there was exhalation this week, you know, it was interesting to see george floyd square turn into a space for line dancing and barbecue. you know, people were joyous. joy was sort of a strange note to reach for, also. because there still is so much sorrow in that neighborhood. there's so much sorrow because of, you know, you mentioned philando castile and daunte wright and jameer clarke. it's on people's minds and there's another trial. and, you know, the pattern and practices investigations. so there was a brief expression of joy but there's still a lot of worry in minneapolis but across the country because it seems like every day there is another case of this. so really it is a later of whether we in the country, not just in the state of minnesota, but as a country can get serious about police reform. >> real quick. >> it should not be lost on us, it was the first time that a white officer was convicted of killing a black person in that state out of all those 200 cases you mentioned in all the others. you know, you can be excited but remember that fact. >> michelle and charles, i don't know if i'll see you before your debut, but break a leg. >> thank you, sir. coming up, very few thought justice would be served in the derek chauvin trial including my aunt gloria. she joins me next. gloria. she joins me next. freedom has no limits. there's no such thing as too many adventures... or too many unforgettable moments. there will never 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( ♪♪ ) you've seen this movie before. what are your expectations? >> mistrial. it's going to be one person who refuses to find him guilty. and, you know, i'm not sure what is going to happen. but i just don't think he's going to be found guilty. if he does, it's going to be a lesser charge, which it should not be. so that's my greatest concern. this is one person who may not -- convicted. >> before the chauvin verdict, my aunt gloria, like many people was not optimistic about a guilty verdict. what does she think now that the former minneapolis police officer has been convicted of murdering george floyd? joining me now is my aunt gloria! hey, aunt gloria. >> hi. how you doing, jonathan? >> i'm great. and, you know, most times you are right about things. 247 this is one instance i'm thrilled you were wrong. your reaction to the verdict? >> i'm thrilled i was wrong, also! i was relieved. very thankful. we needed a win. i was concerned about what would happen if he was found not guilty. i just felt the people would explode. but i'm relieved and thankful. if you get one win, it's like you get so many other losses. before he's found guilty, this -- people were out shooting more people. we have one win. when i saw what happened to the guy in california where they beat him. it's like you're being treated like you're not a human being. what i see so many people, young people being shot, the young girl being shot. in north carolina, we had a shooting. >> uh-huh. >> it's like we forget one win and take six people away? is that -- what is the average or how does this work? but it's not like it's really freedom. it's like did we miss something in, you know, we get one win and they take away six more? my only concern is when is it going to stop? you know, when i see a policeman, i don't think of him being a friend. i think of him being there to make sure we stay in line. and, you know, you're sitting there and watching. i think there has to be a community policing. and i thought on that route years ago but the police have to be a part of the neighborhoods. you just can't stand there and just watch the people like, you know, like the correction official to make sure we are in line. if you're not going to be part of the community, i don't want you in the community, you know. it's like if you're not there to help me, make sure i stay in line. >> aunt gloria, we've got less than a minute left. i can't let you go without getting your sense. next week president biden will hit his 100 day mark. you were riden with biden when nobody else was. 100 days in, how is he doing? >> he's doing great! you know, he has a whole lot of things he's got to do. he's doing great! you know, i think yes the vie raus has to be taken care of first and the south border. but i think the justice system has got to be on -- for the next few years. i don't think from top to bottom. but he's really doing great! i'm pleased. i feel like finally there's sanity in this world. you know. things are okay. >> uh-huh. >> what do we do? you know -- >> well i don't want to buy a gun, you know, but -- >> okay. aunt gloria, we have to talk about the gun thing offline. >> okay. 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>> yeah. qualified immunity. yeah. i hope so. tim is the leader on this. his package is bipartisan. >> rene graham, i don't know, i'm hopeful. your thought? >> i mean, they're saying the right things but the question becomes how much comprise are the democrats willing to accept to get this bill through? i'm not sure how i feel about the idea of qualified immunity taking it out of it. it's a important part of it. it has to be a sense that police officer understanding the personal kblgt and no the city or the department is going to bail him or her out. so i'm not a big fan of that. i'm not sure that the comprise democrats should make. >> interesting. have a thereon kevin mccarthy on fox news about president biden in his 100 days. >> i have not met the president one time or had one conversation. we had a crisis at the boarder he created. the person he put in charge, the vice president, hasn't even been down to see it. she thinks the idea to have a zoom call with the president of mexico and pay people to plant trees on the other side. that's not going to stop those on the terrorist watch list we've arrested or the cartels for making or border less secure. >> i'm sorry, sophia. last i checked, vice president harris is not in charge of the border. she's in charge of the northern triangle, the countries where the people are fleeing and heading to the border. but anyway. what do you make of leader mccarthy and his boohooing of not having met with the president? >> first and foremost, i consider the source. that source is a leader of a coupe and the insure jex of the january 6th. i have zero time or tolerance for kevin mccarthy. i want to plead honesty on that. vice president harris was clear in the interview this morning -- i watched it. she's going to go down as soon as it is allowable. given we're still in the middle of a global pandemic. we're all doing zoom calls. more importantly, you said it, she's tasked with deal with the triangle and figure out why people are leaving and what we can do to keep people in their country and be fed and have the rights they need so they don't feel they need to flee. i would pay little attention because he wants to be the next speaker of the house. that's all he's focussed on. he's using fear and lies and gaslighting to do it. >> thereon what val demmings had to say on this program. >> you could be running for governor of florida or the u.s. senate from florida. true? are you thinking about it? >> i am seriously considering running, jonathan. i have received calls and text messages from people all over the state asking me to run because they feel they are not represented. >> i notice you didn't specify which office. you're thinking of either one? >> that's absolutely correct. i want to go, jonathan, to the position where i can do the most good. be the most effective and do the most work. my home state of florida deserves that. >> i was surprised. senate governor. she's like yeah? whair works. whoever needs me. i'm happy to hear her talking about it. i thought she would have made a great vice president. she needed more experience and i'm happy with who the president picked. she's a star. she's a rising star. i look forward to whichever choice she makes. and, you know, kevin mccarthy, can i say, sophia really said everything but he's the leader of the disloyal opposition. the idea he can't pick up the phone and get a meeting with the president, that's bs. he's busy going to mar-a-lago and making sure that donald trump is happy with him and backing up and covering over trump's role in the insurrection. so it's just -- it's lies come out of his mouth. it's really enraging to hear it. i had to add that. rene, do you want to add to the hot fire that sophia delivered? 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