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both shot by police, both unarmed. >> i want them to say to the whole world learn to love one another again. what happened to our humanity? >> these cases coming as the nation prepares for the conclusion of derek chauvin's murder trial in minneapolis. the jury soon tasked with deciding the fate of the former city cop caught on camera with his knee on george floyd's neck. and tonight, news concerning some members of congress that are bound to fan the flames. congresswoman marjorie taylor-greene now trying to distance herself from new reporting that she, along with her republican congressman paul gosar are helping to turn america to quote, anglo-saxon roots. it would be called the america first caucus. a serve-page document first outlining the plans first reported by punchbowl news. america is a nation with a border and a culture strengthened by a common respect for uniquely anglo-saxon political traditions. congresswoman greene is blaming the media for taking the story out of context and claiming that the anglo-saxon stuff wasn't her idea, but an outside group. joining me is ayanna presley. in her statement marjorie taylor-greene claims it was from a staffer that she had never read, never good news when you're blaming a staffer and she still has the america first, this group of republicans seems pretty clear. your thoughts? >>. >> well, my thoughts are that i think we give way too much oxygen to white supremacists and so i'm not going to give her any more. what i want to sit here and focus on right now are the brutal and horrific instances of white supremacy, gun violence and police violence of the disproportionate impact on black americans and other marginalized community ands this moment, we need to acknowledge the collective trauma and grief that we are all experiencing and i am a black woman first, and i fear daily for my black husband. i feel for my black daughter. i fear for my community and as devastated and as traumatized as i am, i know i cannot be debilitated by that and instead i must do the work of how do we replace systems of oppression, hurt and harm with systems and policies which advance justice and healing, replacing those oppressive systems with systems of liberation. oppressing -- replacing those systems of hurt with systems of healing and that's exactly why given the collective and layered trauma that we have been experiencing in these unprecedented times that early in the biden-harris administration i've advocated for these to be trauma-informed and this has only exacerbated again, our trauma and mental health challenges and many continue to face barriers to get the help and the resources they need and so i'm calling on this white house to do a summit to actively listen to, to center the collective pain and hurt of black americans and other marginalized communities and all of america in this moment given the unprecedented traumas that we've been facing and to use my bill, the strong support for children act as an anchored framework legislatively to make shows investments. >> to your point and centering those who are most impacted, i think the through line in these two stories is about who is considered a real american, who is granted the privileges and the protections of being a true american and who is seen as a threat. so as details emerged about the police shooting of daunte wright you tweeted from slave patrols to traffic stops, we can't reform this. what do you see for the future of policing and calls for reform? >> well, you know, first and foremost, i've re-introduced my legislation to end qualified immunity as well as my people's justice guarantee. both of those i think allow us to get at the root systemic hurt that has been perpetuated through policy violence and with underinvestment and divestment from communities. again, this moment we should be seeking to replace systems that perpetuate a carceral state that perpetuate generations of hurt and harm with investment in people and in communities and ecosystems whereby people can be safe and can heal and can thrive. when i served on the boston city council i was often confronted with these unjust binary budgetary choices. the fact that there was not a school nurse in every boston public school, but we were growing our school police. in the last two decades we have invested $1 billion to grow our school police to 46,000 strong while every child did not have equitable access to a school nurse, a social worker or a therapist and we know pre-pandemic, the traumas that our young people were experiencing and what they were carrying in their emotional backpacks as they crossed that threshold every day and certainly the last four years of the previous administration has exacerbated that and certainly the pandemic and again, we've been besieged by these images and these devastating murders of unarmed black americans and also what recently happened in atlanta, an instance of white supremacy and misogyny against the aapi community. this recovery needs to be one that is trauma informed and we need to make sure there are resources that people can get help that they need, eliminate those barriers and i'm calling for my children act to be a framework within that. in that this is black maternal health week, we are sitting in the disparate health outcomes and the racial injustices, this is another issue. my grandmother died in the 1950s in child birth and the fact that right now in 2021 that black women could still be four times more likely to die in child birth or in birthing complications is simply unacceptable and those concerns and those realities have only worsened under the pandemic which is why i've introduced the covid-19 safe birthing act to ensure that there are those protections because ensuring a safe pregnancy should be a fundamental human right and not a privilege. >> as i listen to you talk, part of what i am struck by is that we are not simply across issues whether we're talking about immigration or infrastructure or policing. you are not just talking about reforming a system. you are talking about re-imagining a system and you see then the pushback to that re-imagination. specifically, when it comes to conversations about reallocating resources from the police and putting them back into the community. how do you help people imagine, re-imagine what that would look like? >> well, again, it's through the legislative frameworks of things that i've offered like the people's justice guarantee which do center the humanity and the dignity of people and call on us to de-criminalize things like substance use and mental health and homelessness. whether you are talking about the george floyd justice and policing act or my people's justice guarantee or the end push out act or my bill to end qualified immunity. there is not one piece of legislation that will undo centuries of harm. this is going to require bold, transformative, systemic change which is going to require multiple bills which is going to require the political will and the political courage. this is not going to be one bill, one and done because black americans and other marginalized communities have experienced, chris, very precise legislative hurt and harm that has been codified in statute and laws for generations. so this is an inflexion point. this is an inflection point. this is the moment for re-imagining. if we are truly in a reckoning, then this is the time for reconstruction and let it begin with everything from the covid-19 safe birthing act to the people's justice guarantee to the end push out act and many others. >> congresswoman, ayanna presley and others, thank you so much for your time. we're following breaking news, a new curfew in effect tonight in brooklyn center, minnesota, over potential police violence. a former lapd sergeant will join us to talk about what policing reform looks like. most americans approve of joe biden's performance as president. plus, the pandemic economy, why the millions who are unemployed are not going after the millions of jobs available across the country and next hour, congressman ruben gallego, an iraq war veteran weighs on the president's plan to end america's longest war. that and gallego's thoughts on the proposed anglo-saxon caucus when "american voices" continues. stay with us. when "american voices" continues. stay with us forget what your smoking-hot moms and teachers say, just remember my motto. if you ain't first... you're last! woo-hoo! these are the people who work on the front lines. they need a network that's built right. that's why we created verizon frontline. the advanced network and technology for first responders. built on america's most reliable network. built for real interoperability. and built for 5g. it's america's #1 network in public safety. verizon frontline. built right for first responders. i brought in ensure max protein, with thirty grams of protein. those who tried me felt more energy in just two weeks! 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>> that they're going very well. any of his predecessors, specially donald trump haven't done anything to get numbers like these that sustained after a large event and after an inauguration or something like that a president will be popular, but these are sustained and we found it in the politico morning council polls. it shows that republicans are struggling to define president biden. he's someone that people know. he's been around a long time so they're having a tough time figuring out what to attack him on. things aren't sticking and there was this flurry of activity at the beginning of the administration and they've been focusing on things that are really popular, right? they start with a covid-19 relief bill and $1.9 trillion and putting money in people's pockets and he's been handling the distribution even outside of the johnson & johnson's policy and handling vaccines pretty well according to polls. americans are happy with how things are going largely and as he goes into the infrastructure conversation and figuring out how much money they're able to spend on this next proposal and that is something that he'll be able to use this political capital and we'll see how long that's able to stick around, but it's something that, like i said with republicans, they have to figure out if they want to be successful if they want to pull those numbers down and how do you pull those down when they're only concentrating on things that are politically popular. >> what i am more interested in, eugene is this question of how they are reading those numbers inside the white house. they came into the beginning of this term understanding the number one thing they had to do was get the pandemic under control and focusing on the economy and providing relief there. the path forward from there, less clear. so your sense as you talk to your sources inside the white house, how these numbers -- are they taking those numbers and saying okay, let's take some risks now or are they saying, we've got to preserve these numbers so that we can get some things done? >> this is not a white house that wants to be risky. that is not anything that i've heard when talking to my sources. they are concentrating on these things that are really popular and they're looking at these numbers and this also means that they feel very confident that when they go to capitol hill and when they're talking to republicans about what they want done. they feel like they have the upper hand and remember, this is also a white house that has kind of been able to change the definition of what bipartisanship means and they've only been able to do that because of how popular this president and things that they've been wanting to do are, right? they can go to congress, why do the american people want to do it and it puts congress in the position that they want to be in. they feel confident that they're doing the right thing and going in the right way and we have the what are infra structure? are people going to be upset because, and people want more money in thecare economy and they're choosing things on purpose because they want to keep the numbers on for as high as you can for as lopgs as you did. >> i want you to take a listen about what joe biden said about the refugee cap. >> the problem was that the refugee part was working on was tough on the border. and now we'll increase the numbers. >> to recap, they announced they'll keep the cap where it was during the trump administration. they then walked that back. take us inside the administration's reversal yesterday on the refugee limits. what happened between when they announced that trump-era refugee cap wouldn't change and the walk back hours later and the sound you just heard from president biden? >> it happened so quickly and what they got immediately was criticism from the left, criticism from people who work on these issues, refugee issues and the religious community which deals a lot with and works a lot with refugees when they come over to this country. biden had promised during the campaign to increase the number to 125,000. in february they put it up to the 62,500 number to the current fiscal year. we also heard him kind of conflate the issue of immigration and refugees which is they are completely different and that's not the same process. so we've been speaking to advocates said it sounded trump-like. they saw refugees, migrants, anyone coming over to this country from another one in the exact same category, even though they're not in the process it is always different and now the administration knows and they are hearing from people over and over from sources i've been talking to that they know that they have to now be very clear, even clearer than they were before about what they would do, because advocates want a clear plan and we want to know about what you're doing because they caused so much confusion tonight. >> eugene daniel, thank you so much. i want to bring in the president and ceo of lutheran immigration and refugee services. all right. this announcement came down and the administration got absolutely slammed by advocates and they then walked it back. your reaction both to the initial announcement and to the walkback, krisch? >> i experienced a little bit of a whiplash. as eugene said we were one of the faith-based organizations that did reach out. what the administration did yesterday was they provided immediate relief by removing the restrictions that the trump administration had imposed which was disproportionately affects refugeeses coming from african and muslim-majority nations and that was helpful. what they didn't do was increase the level of refugee admissions to be commensurate with the need. today we face the world's greatest refugee crisis and keeping the 15,000 cap that was is the during the trump era is deeply troubling. we are happy we heard from president biden even in the clip that you just made that they will re-visit this number. we are hafblg way through the fiscal year and we've only resettled 2,000 refugees so far. >> i want to set the stakes for our audience because i think it's really easy to get sort of lost in the technocratic piece of this, and we are both talking about people's lives and we're talking about our identity as a nation and adam sewer at the atlantic captured this better than i possibly could. restoring the soul of a nation cannot mean simply unseating trump. it has to mean reversing the policies his administration put in place in an attempt to codify into law his racial and sectarian conception of american citizenship. this seems, specially relevant right now given the conversation that we'll have the anglo saxon, particularly peck lating in congress. both for the lives of these refugees for if biwho they are as a country. historically, it's been a bipartisan issue that's gotten support from both sides of the aisle and this program be which were, and it protects members of the lgbty community and worm has axe sented on average 95,000 refugees and at a time of a global need, this program is needed now more than ever. i know there have been some suggestions that we can only address the southern border and help refugees and the fact is we need to do both. for president biden to meet his promise of restoring the soul of our nation. i know we can both walk and chew gum. this country has always been able to help the vulnerable whether arriving at the southern border or around the world. >> thank you so much for your time. next, breaking news out of minnesota. a curfew taking effect later tonight over the demonstrations over the shooting death of 20-year-old daunte wright. millions of jobs available and millions unemployed. why isn't this an easy equation to solve? 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will we see broader numbers because it is the weekend and certainly minneapolis is basically a militarized zone and whether you're downtown or here the national guard is here in anticipation of a possible verdict this week. >> to your point. this is all happening set against the backdrop of the chauvin trial and closing arguments are expected to begin monday. what more can you tell us about how officials there are preparing ahead of that verdict? >> so we've seen this steady increase of national guard on the street downtown. we see more of them out today. they do have their weapons in a forward sling position. schools will be out on wednesday in the minneapolis area. three charges facing derek shauf in, two are murder charges and second degree and third degree murder and a manslaughter charge and i think there is a fear here where the jury will just convict on manslaughter. if that happens, obviously there is a concern that we can see growing protests, not just here in minneapolis and growing protests. >> already we've been seeing that, cal. thanks very much. joining me melissa murray with the gray stokes professor of law and faculty director of the bierbaum. i want to start with the shooting of adam toledo and many are calling for officer eric stillman to be charged or fired. >> i want you toic what us through the 1989 ruling of the use of force could complicate charging stillman. >> i assume you're talking about graham versus connor which is a decision of the u.s. supreme court that basically says when you're reviewing whether an officer has exceeded the scope of reasonable scope in the exercise of his or her duties you have to think from the% pektive of that officer, the reasonable officer in those circumstances. it's meant to suggest that officers are making split-second decisions, that the nature of policing is inherently difficult, if not life-threatening and we can't do monday morning quarterbacking in these decisions, the split-second decisions that officers have to make. so with that in mind, it gives officers a pretty wide range of latitude and it means that the scope of reasonable force is actually quite broad. >> right. cheryl, to that point, how would a different tactical approach have resulted in a different outcome? >> had the officer taken cover and consume it, as he barked out orders, stopped, dropped the gun, show me your hands, allowed the young man to do just that as he took cover he may have realized by then if he's looking at the hands because hands kill us, that it was empty and so there would be no reason to fire, but we see officers showing great restraint when the perpetrators look like them, white males, carrying long rifles and the like as opposed to a young hispanic child, if you will, who was in possession of a handgun. >> melissa, i want to take a look at the shooting of daunte wright, kim porter has resigned and charged with manslaughter. what's the likelihood that we do see something like a third-degree murder charge in this case? >> it really depends on the investigation, alicia. again, this investigation happened relatively quickly. a lot was made in the press from the department itself about the idea that officer potter mistook her taser or mistook her gun for a taser and that was what resulted in the fatal shooting and again, all of these homicide charges really turn on the question of the defendant's state of mind. so if you take seriously the idea that officer potter mistook her service weapon for a taser, then it's harder to prove murder or harder to get to the point that you have the case to make a charge of murder because that typically redwyers more intentional behavior and purposeful behavior and this seems to have turned on the idea that there was negligence on this and want something more dire like intent or recklessness. >> cheryl, going back to that question of training and negligence. what do you make of potter claiming that she mistook her gun for a taser? >> i think it's virtually impossible to believe that that statement was true given the fact that she's a 20-year veteran officer. we touch our guns every day when we put them in our holster to make sure they are working properly and when we clean them we are i want intimately -- >> i want to turn to monday. the eyes of the nation are on this case. what do you expect both sides to bring up? >> i think the prosecution will hammer home the idea that officer chauvin's conducts far exceeded the scope of what was necessary under the circumstances and that they were the substantial cause of george floyd's death. that they have to prove that, beyond a reasonable doubt to prevail on any of these charges, and the defense again will try to inject reasonable doubt and they have to convince one juror about officer chauvin's conduct caused george floyd's death on that fateful day. >> cheryl, throughout this trial we have watched other officers testify against chauvin's actions. in your opinion, in your assessment, is it a sign that police culture is changing or is this about this specific department trying to distance themselves from chauvin's individual actions. >> i think it is this department to distance itself and it is not unusual for officers to testify against one another. we generally don't see it because it's a private administrative hearing that is held sometimes against officers, but when you have a chief of police and sergeant and others off-duty and on-duty fire department personnel speaking to the unnecessary use of force by derek chauvin in this case, it's going to be very compelling, i believe, for the jury. >> cheryl, we also learned this week that the officer involved in the shooting of jacob blake last august in wisconsin, blake was left partially paralyzed. that officer has returned to duty as "new york" magazine writes that the officer who shot jacob blake is back on the job. apparently the department concluded that chesky's conduct, shooting a black man seven times in the back at point-blank range leaving him paralyzed was, quote, within the law. the department claimed that chesky followed procedure. at what point then do you look at reforming that procedure and how difficult will that be to reform, cheryl? >> well, you know, he lives to offend again and i guess if we lose a life then perhaps they'll give this officer another look. derek chauvin had 18 personnel complaints and maybe that's what needs to happen at kenosha. we'll have to have a black or brown man killed before they take this officer off the street. >> melissa, cheryl. thank you both for joining us. >> next, millions of jobs are available yet many remain unemployed and what is the disconnect? >> pulitzer prize playwright is back with us to discuss her new book, my broken language ahead of the highly anticipated film adaptation of "in the heights." . s to get here today, you're in the right place. my seminars are a great tool to help young homeowners who are turning into their parents. now, remember, they're not programs. they're tv shows. you woke up early. no one cares. yes. so, i was using something called homequote explorer from progressive to easily compare home insurance rates. was i hashtagging? progressive can't help you from becoming your parents, but we can help you compare rates on home insurance with homequote explorer. guess what. the waiter doesn't need to know your name. 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>> you know, i'll never forget seeing him on that escalator talking about the rapists. that was a signal that, you know, our communities have long been under attack, but it was getting up to a whole new level at that point. so rather than write the book from a defensive posture, i wanted to write a book that centered our truths, our joys, our wisdom, and share what i learned as a puerto rican young woman in philadelphia growing up. >> and that idea of centering our joy has always been a big part of your work. but most of your work has been fiction. though you have mined your stories, it was always under that guys. what was it like to drop the pretense of fiction? >> i think it meant getting real with myself and being honest about -- as someone who is half from a brown puerto rican family and half from a white family, looking at what wisdom had i learned from my elders, began to also what prejudices did i harbor? feeling that i was on both sides of the coin and reckon with myself, with the love, with the struggles. so i had to get real. i had to kind of hold my face to the fire. but i learned a lot writing about myself in a way that was more personal than writing about just other people in fictional characters. >> incredibly generous of you. your family is puerto rican, which means their migration is different than so many of the central american migrants that we're seeing at our border. but in the larger narrative of immigration in this country, what does it look like to reimagine that as a reciprocal relationship rather than the narrative we've all become so accustomed to hearing? >> i love that notion, and i think part of the reason why i wanted to write nonfiction and a memoir was to show that not only do we have so much to gain from this nation, from this mainland, but, actually, broader american culture has so much to gain from us. you know, i learned lessons like humility and being of service to my community for my elders. these are things that i think the broader nation would, you know, would elevate the broader nation and the ethics of of us coast to coast, so absolutely a two-way street. >> we just watched part of the trailer for "in the heights." i watched a screener for the film last night and had sheets of tears coming down by face in part because -- i mean, i loved it, but also because i know growing up that i didn't get to see things like that. i didn't get to see the joy of our communities reflected back at me. i didn't get to see places that looked like the place i grew up, union city, new jersey, reflected back at me. yet, as much as that representation matters, i think part of what you were grappling with in "my broken language" is the limits of representation. what was it you started to mine there? >> well, in terms of representation, my personal literature was my cousin's living room, my aunts. it was nothing like this. i didn't read puerto rican author or latin american author until i was an adult in terms of school. my dream is for us to have libraries full of our narratives, not just mine, not just esmeral da santiago and other heroes, but every side of the coin, you know, because my story is one little piece. this is one little piece. but the story gets richer and fuller as more writers join in and say this is my american story, this is my boricua story, this is my latina story. >> we talk about industries and this idea of reimagining. i wonder for you as someone who has dedicated so much of your career to theater, to broadway, what do you think it is going to look like post-pandemic? >> i hope there's more humanity and a slower pace. i feel that, you know, we've become so addicted to the screen during this time, it's all we have. it's very baffling to understand some of the suffering and humanity off a twitter feed and headlines. i hope we can slow down and take time to listen, to understand the joy and suffering that's happening out there still in the community today. you know, this book talks about the pandemics and epidemics of my youth, aids, crack cocaine, education inequality. now we're experiencing new ones and we're going to need people in 20 years to help us make sense of what this time means. >> we are so lucky that you are helping us to make sense of this moment. her new memoir "my broken language" is out now. at the top of the hour, the latest sign we remain divided. demonstrators demand racial justice and equality in the streets as some members of congress contemplate how to get america back to its anglo sacksen roots. federal prosecutors secure their first guilty plea tied to the capitol insurrection. but 100 days after the attack, the investigation far from complete. why is that? 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