take the dough. you can be sure that all of their states and communities will be benefiting from this, and they won't be complaining about it back home. >> the republican party clearly adrift in the absence of donald trump. and without a new plan, they're returning to their greatest hits. on that familiar set list, culture wars. a recent example, senator ted cruz's new fund-raiser. he's now signing copies of dr. seuss' book "green eggs and ham," and it can be yours for a $60 donation. that is not policy. that's not making american lives better. it is distraction in lieu of governing. what senator cruz ignores is it was dr. seuss' estate that made the decision to stop publishing six books due to their racist and insensitive imagery. but it doesn't matter if it fires up the base and helps those voters forget that you didn't want to partake in legislation that would send them desperately needed relief, all while reducing childhood poverty by nearly 50%. next up, a tune you might recall because it never really went away. fearmongering over immigrants. in fact, senator bill cassidy is erroneously blaming president biden for the recent influx of unaccompanied minors at the border. >> when people think they can get in, they begin sending their unaccompanied child on a train ride across mexico, where she may be kidnapped and trafficked on the hope that they're going to be waved through at the border. this policy is leading to this surge. that is unmistakable. >> and then of course there's the voter suppression. the brennan center for justice found more than 250 bills sitting in 43 statehouses that would restrict access to voting. as graeg sargent at "the washington post" puts it, the republican strategy is hiding in plain sight, saying they can plausibly take back power through voter suppression and anti-majoritarian tactics while entirely withdrawing from the conversation about how to tackle our major crises. on one side, you have a republican party lost without trump, unable to engage in governance, and instead deeply focused both on distraction and on serious efforts to undermine democratic participation. and on the other side, democrats focused on legislating, currently refusing to take the political bait being dangled across the aisle. is this the new reality of american politics? with me now, fernand amandi, the host of the strange days podcast. and michelle goldberg is a "new york times" columnist and msnbc contributor. good to see you both. michelle, republicans are focusing on culture wars to distract from the fact that they didn't vote for the covid relief bill. it's paid off for them in the past, using culture wars as a distraction, as a way to gin up their base. is it different in your opinion this time? >> no. i mean, you know, donald trump ran on culture war. culture war has been the thing that has united the two -- look, the republican party is basically a coalition of plutocrats and, you know, white -- not just white people but largely white people without college degrees. and the thing -- they don't have kind of common economic interests. they often don't have common economic policy preferences. so culture war is what unites that party. and you see in the party right now increasing divergence around serious economic issues. you see some openness to things like a child tax credit or, you know, kind of greater economic family support. what unites everyone in the republican party, particularly now that just kind of slavish fealty to donald trump isn't what can unite them all, is this, you know, resentment and kind of panic about what they often call cancel culture. >> i think to michelle's point, part of where that is all bearing out is in watching some of these republicans who did not vote for this legislation try to claim credit for it, right? they've seen the polling. they know that this is popular. but this is the only way to maintain their faux populism, right? to both vote against it and then pretend as though they were the ones who are offering some sort of relief. >> that's exactly right, alicia. fundamentally why are they doing this? because they know that their biggest fear right now is a republican primary. so they have to play this culture war to at least do enough not to enrage donald trump and the trump wing of the party, which might end up in a primary challenge. but, look, let's face it. over the next couple of months starting this weekend, millions of americans are going to start to receive a $1,400 stimulus relief check in their bank accounts from joe biden and the federal government while at the same time, millions are going to start to receive a lifesaving vaccine from this pandemic that has bedeviled the world, again, courtesy of joe biden and the democrats. so while the culture war 24/7 diet might have worked in good times when you really had a way to pivot off of it, to did that now against the backdrop of the pandemic really seems like bad politics. and i think the people that understand that more than anyone else are those in the biden administration, in particular ron klain, the chief of staff. he was there in 2009. he saw some of the mistakes that the incoming democratic administration made trying to work with a party that they thought might be operating in good faith. i think the calculus and the die has been cast. it's now clearly a bad-faith party, and they're just going to push the accelerator down and try and keep racking up legislative wins that will give the message to the american people that government does work, and it works best when the democrats are running the government. that's a horrifying proposition for the republicans. >> to your point about ron klain, that's part of why you see this redefinition of what is bipartisan, looking at bipartisanship through the ens of what voters report. last week you had senator roy blunt to become the fifth republican senator to announce he's not going to seek re-election. i wonder what that tells you about the future of this party. >> i think the future of this party is marjorie taylor greene. it's madison cawthorn. it's basically people who -- it's government by trolling. it's people who kind of have communication staffs rather than policy staffs. and the thing is, though, none of this would work if you -- if this was a party that needed a majority of votes to govern. but that's why i think it's so important that you look at the voter suppression piece of this. >> yeah. >> as the other side of this story because their plan to retake power is not just culture war. it's culture war plus perpetual minority rule, you know, that is already, you know, somewhat baked into the structure of our government but really exacerbated by gerrymandering and this, you know, ferocious campaign against voting rights, which is like nothing we've seen since the end of reconstruction. >> right. and that is why, fernand, my question becomes where that all leaves democrats. if you have some culture war that is signaling, they for now seem to be ignoring that and choosing instead to focus on legislating. you have this piece of the culture war that you and i think i know is particularly interesting, which is this fearmongering around immigrants, specifically immigrant children who are currently showing up at our border. then there is the third piece that michelle just referenced, which is the voter suppression. it does seem like the complicated part of this for democrats is that some of this they need to ignore as a pure distraction, and some of it they need to deeply, deeply engage in as a full frontal attack on democracy. >> well, that's absolutely right. but the way to deeply engage in it, to your point, is to use the tool they have, which right now is total control of the legislative and the executive branch. there is legislation that is now in the house, house resolution 1. i think it's called "for the people" act, which would very much go towards taking on the anti-democratic, anti-voter efforts that the republican party are doing in states that they have control and have legislatures that they control. it is imperative that the democratic party do that. how do they do that? three words -- kill the filibuster. we see more and more every day the idea of the filibuster's removal, allowing the democrats to do all of those things it wants because unfortunately in this moment that the country finds ourselves in, we do have to chew gum and walk at the same time and fight against a pandemic, and the democrats really need to press down while they have the legislative levers. that might change in 2022. it won't change if they keep racking up those legislative wins that help the american people and strengthen our democracy. >> fernand and michelle, thank you both for spending some time with us. next, a covid turnaround in seattle, once the center of america's outbreak. no more. mayor jenny durkan will tell us how they did it. plus congressman raul ruiz is here to talk immigration and what's realistic about the house's new push for reform. and later, it's more than just a murder case. how the story of sarah everard in the uk is hitting close to home for women across the world. today dr. fauci said he wishes former president trump would do more to encourage his supporters to get vaccinated. polling shows republicans are less likely to get the shot. fauci thinks that if trump used his influence, it would be, a quote, game-changer for the vaccine rollout. paris could be headed for another lockdown. medical planes are transferring patients out of paris to other hospitals to open up more beds. nfl star and new orleans saints quarterback drew brees has announced his retirement today. over his 20-year career, brees made the pro bowl 13 times, won a super bowl, and set the nfl record for most career passing yards. and a big congratulations to our colleague rachel maddow. tonight she won the grammy for best spoken word album with her audio book "blowout: corrupted democracy, rogue state russia, and the richest, most destructive industry on earth." for more info on how you can listen go to msnbc.com/blowout or visit your local bookstore for a paper back copy. more american voices after the break. the radio up ♪ get 5 boneless wings for $1 with any handcrafted burger. only at applebee's. tired of clean clothes that just don't smell clean? 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>> i think the investigation is under way, and we should see what it brings us. >> the president's comments moments ago come as new york governor andrew cuomo remains defiant against demands for him to resign, including from new york's senate delegation chuck schumer and kirsten gillibrand. so far eight women have come forward with allegations. governor cuomo denies them. a year ago washington state was ground zero for covid in america. leadership across the state understood the gravity of the situation and took swift action. the governor and mayors delivered a unified message to control the virus, and it paid off. "the new york times" reports seattle now has the lowest death rate of the top 20 metro areas in the u.s. listen to this. the rest of the country matched the same rate, we could have saved 300,000 lives. the city's mayor, jenny durkan, joins us now. thank you for your time tonight. i want to start with vaccines. your sitting helping lead the way this weekend. the field event center transformed into what your office calls the largest civilian-run vaccination site in the country. wow, look at that. how does this move ramp up the goal of reaching herd immunity? >> it's such a tremendous effort by everybody to do this, and it's going to be critical to our ability to fight this virus. for me, it was really -- it was a moment because just about a year ago, i was in that exact same facility as we set up an army hospital because at the beginning of the pandemic, the projections were if we didn't move swiftly, we could have tens of thousands of people sick in a very short period of time and our hospitals could be overrun. and that was such a time of heartache, and now we're at a moment of hope, and we're really hopeful that this facility, which we did 2,000 yesterday, once we get more vaccine and if the white house is listening, cities will take it directly. we will be able to do over 20,000 a day. >> what lessons did you learn from sort of those early days of the pandemic? what stuck with you as we began to climb our way out of this? >> i think we learned some really critical issues that we did locally, but the nation could benefit from. first was ground your response on the science and the research and the public health information. it's so critical because you're fighting a disease. second is have a unified voice as leaders so the public knows what you are expecting of them. and also be very transparent about what you do know, what you don't know, and what you expect people to do. but i will say the main reason i think that we have been successful here is because of the great sacrifices that individuals and businesses have been willing to make. people stepped up and did what was really hard, and i tell you, everyone has suffered in the last year. >> when you talk about following the science and then you talk about the role that business plays, it brings me to this question, which is that there are now states that are ending mask mandates, reopening with no restrictions ahead of cdc guidance. what's your message to people who are eager to get back to some kind of normal? >> you know, we are already to get back to normal, but we are so close. we don't want to go backwards now. and this virus is still there. it's growing, and the only way that we can fight it is to stop the transmission. and one of the most effective ways we have is wearing a mask. most people have not been exposed to the virus, which makes them susceptible to it. you know, if you're talking about a fire, we're the kindling. stop the virus by keeping distance, washing your hands, and wearing a mask because with the variants here, we're in a really dangerous time right now. we've seen other countries that started to, you know, open up. the variants have taken hold. you see paris and london and italy have to go backwards. and i think for all of us, we do not want to have to do that again. >> we've been talking a lot of course about the american rescue plan signed into law by president biden. we've been speaking with federal lawmakers, but i wonder for you helming a big city, what does the relief that is forthcoming mean? what is it you are most interested in, in that piece of legislation? >> this is the difference between american cities recovering and not recovering. i can't tell you how important this has been. and i will say that, you know, i it's not just cities that are run by democrats. i was on a call recently with the white house with cities from across the country, red states, blue states, and the message was unified. we need help. we need to help our small businesses and our workers. we need to get help in the downtown areas and recover, and this relief package is going to be critical to getting us through because we're not out of the woods yet. people are still going to need to have to pay their rent. so this rental assistance is going to be critical. in western cities, homelessness is significant. we need help there. but in order to recover as a country, our cities have to recover, and we couldn't do it without this package. so i'm very thankful that they acted in washington, d.c., that the president showed his leadership, and i think this will be the difference between america coming back or not coming back. >> mayor durkan, thank you so much for your time tonight. next, a reality check from the border. we go to texas as fema prepares to help with a recent influx of unaccompanied migrant children. plus what will happen this week in the house to advance president biden's promises of immigration reform? 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>> reporter: alicia, i think fema can be really helpful here and the folks on the ground know it. el paso is no stranger to immigration. they're no stranger to surges in the spring and summer months. they're no stranger to dealing with unaccompanied children. but the problem right now is a logistics one, and that's what fema is excellent at dealing with, particularly with covid. what you're having right now is having these unaccompanied minors come across. they can't be kept in these crowded border patrol stations. they need to get into hhs custody, to shelters or group homes or out to family members while their cases are adjudicated. with capacity so limited by the virus, that's been an enormous challenge here. fema can be very helpful with that, and i think that will be welcome news to the folks here in el paso as they're trying to process the start of the annual spring surge. >> gop leader kevin mccarthy will lead a republican delegation to the border. what more do we know about this trip and its purpose? >> reporter: well, there's really, i think, two purposes here. the republicans see this as a very useful political issue. they want to paint this as a crisis for the biden administration and a crisis created by the biden administration. and i think only half of that is really true. you know, the surge in migrants, particularly unaccompanied minors, happens on a regular basis, and the republicans who are coming down haven't put forth much of a legislative prescription to fix it. but it will be a challenge for the biden administration to solve. now, a little while ago i was able to interview veronica escobar, the democratic representative here in el paso, and she put the challenge to the republicans in kind of explaining the way they view it this way. take a listen. >> the real crisis is what happens to these families and vulnerable souls in the journey northward, and the real crisis as well is the inability of some of my colleagues to bring forward real policy solutions. their unwillingness to work together for the long term, to address root causes and, in fact, i believe their interest in keeping this as a problem because it's a great selling point. it's a political opportunity. >> reporter: immigration certainly is a unifying issue for congressional republicans. one of the questions i want to ask mccarthy tomorrow is we know how these republicans feel about border security as an issue for them. but where are they on dealing with some of the push issues, the issues from the northern triangle countries, from the countries from which these migrants are coming, and where are they on addressing those problems because that may be, if there is any, issue on which there could be some kind of bipartisan cooperation in addressing the challenges here at the border. >> garrett, you got it exactly right. you can't talk about immigration without talking about those push factors. thanks so much for spending some time with us. again, a big week for immigration reform with two bills set to be voted on this week. i want to bring in california congressman raul ruiz, an emergency room physician and the chair of the congressional hispanic congress. congressman, you have been among those who is leading this charge in congress. for you, what do you think when you watch kevin mccarthy and other republicans head to the border? >> you know, i think of hypocrisy, and i think of the last four years of what they wanted to do with immigration, which was based on hate, fear, cruelty, family separations, and useless, ineffective border wall. and that's what they have to offer, and they're launching a trumpian-type hate and fearful, politically motivated campaign to distract from the incredible work of the american rescue plan and how it's going to benefit the american people. >> what is happening at the border is, of course, a critical piece of this larger conversation about immigration reform, but it's not the totality of the conversation either. and part of what we're going to watch happen on the hill this week are these votes on these two pieces of legislation that are really looking at what happens in the interior of the country, about people who are already here. talk to me about the strategy making this a priority in the reform fight. >> well, we have an incredible opportunity to finally give dreamers and tps holders an opportunity for a pathway to citizenship and fully contribute to our nation, the only nation that they have known and called as home. we're going to be voting on the dream and promise act, which will give a pathway to citizenship to our dreamers and also temporary protection status holders and also the farm workforce modernization act, both of which are bipartisan bills that have had broad support throughout our country. the farm workforce modernization act will give farmworkers and their families a pathway to citizenship as well, which will stabilize our farm labor, especially during a critical moment during the pandemic when they are our food supply chain and they feed america and have taken the brunt of infections and death in the united states. but these two are not isolated. they're part of and point towards the larger immigration reform, the u.s. citizenship act, which will address comprehensively the root cause of migration that these migrants are having and have a pathway to citizenship for those already in the united states, which is an earned path to citizenship. >> i also want to talk with you, dr. ruiz -- your former life as dr. ruiz -- about your effort to help vaccinate members of your community. on thursday you were on the ground in your district vaccinating your constituents. we've seen a lot of talk both about mistrust and hesitancy around the vaccine, a lot of bad misinformation going around, specifically in our communities. you see a lot of misinformation going around. i wonder both what you heard from people as they came to receive that vaccine. and then the second piece, which is not just the skepticism but the lack of access. how are you seeing that addressed in your community? >> alicia, this is part of the republican game playbook where they want to blame the victim. so in other words, you see a gross undervaccination rate in communities of color, and they'd like to say that it's because of vaccine hesitancy. now, vaccine hesitancy is based on some real mistrust. but the largest factor of why you're seeing disparities is not because of the people's concerns over the vaccine. it's because of the systemic barriers of poverty, of low access to health care, of concerns about costs and other real factors that have barriers for them to go. so the biden administration has done a great job of providing federal vaccines to retail pharmacies, to fqacs, community health centers directly that function within these underserved communities, and i was able to bring that program into the hardest hit area in my community. for example, in riverside county, 47% of the population are hispanics, yet they make up 65% of the infection cases. but of those vaccinated, they are only 19% of those that have been vaccinated. so these are real disparities and barriers, and so as a physician, i had the honor and the privilege of going directly into the community, and in two hours, we were able to vaccinate 700 people from an underserved, mostly marginalized community. so if you take the vaccine, they will come, alicia. that's the key point, is that we need real good progress, collaboration on the ground with local organizations to get the word out, and they will come, and it will be successful. >> congressman, i got to tell you it's taking constituent services to a whole new level. before i let you go, i've heard from other people who have provided vaccinations that they very often hear what people are looking forward to. what struck you most as you spoke with your constituents about what's next? >> you know, what struck me most was a 37-year-old single mother of two who cleans houses and helps people in their homes, and she couldn't resume her work until she got vaccinated. what struck me most was the stories of hope and experience of individuals who didn't have internet to make an appointment, who didn't have time to wait on the phone two hours to search for an appointment or go to a location and wait three or four hours in line. and now they have hope, and they were extremely happy because they feel safe, and they can go back to their work, and they can make sure that they can provide for their children. >> congressman ruiz, thanks so much for spending some time with us. next, an in-depth look at what is inside the new covid relief bill, especially for parents in need of help. and later, how the horrific murder of a uk woman is sparking a global movement using a phrase that women know all too well -- text me when you get home. but first a preview of what you can expect later tonight here on msnbc. hey there. i'm joshua johnson. tonight on "the week kwx, new york mayor andrew yang joins us. we'll talk about his campaign platform and the startling rise in violence against asian-americans. join us for "the week" tonight at 9:00 eastern here on msnbc. bd our retailers donated 50 million meals to feeding america. and yet, one in four children may still face hunger. so, subaru and our retailers are doing it again, donating an additional 100 million meals to help those in need. love. it's never been needed more than right now. subaru. more than a car company. 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many families, rescue them. one measure in particular tackles another big problem in america, children living in poverty. nbc's senior washington correspondent hallie jackson takes a look. >> this is the most consequential legislation that the speaker has been a part of since obamacare. >> reporter: to go big on covid relief. the headlines focused on the top line. >> the senate passes the $1.9 trillion covid relief bill. >> reporter: but tucked inside one of the pages of the law, a little paragraph, a life-changing one for millions of families. thousands of dollars for a child tax credit in 2021. >> run as fast as you can. >> reporter: think of it as a guaranteed income for families with children like the foxes. mom savannah is an emt, spending much of the last year in the back of an ambulance with covid patients. she knows what it's like to need a little help after leaving an abusive marriage several years ago. >> through the course of it, i ended up being homeless. being homeless with five kids was definitely something that i never imagined. >> reporter: with the new credit, parents can spend the money on whatever they need most. starting in july, the checks will be dispersed periodically, most likely monthly, up to $300 a month for kids 5 and under and $250 a month for each school-aged child 6 and up. the rest comes as tax time. the foxes will get just over $15,000 in the next year, huge for savannah, now in a home of her own with a savings buffer and working three jobs. >> that could help with groceries. that could be added help for bills. it can also allow me money to put aside for their future. >> reporter: the ripple effect expected to be enormous. by signing this bill into law, president biden, with the stroke of a pen, is projected to cut child poverty by nearly half according to a study by columbia university, with estimates suggesting it will help nine of every ten kids in this country. this is more than just stimulus checks. >> people describe it as like social security for kids. >> reporter: democratic senator michael bennet has been working on this issue for years. >> we're one of the few countries in the industrialized world that doesn't have a policy like this. being poor is really tough for a kid, and it's very tough for our country. childhood poverty costs america $1 trillion a year. >> reporter: while few republicans have taken direct aim at the new credit, some conservative groups argue the money could incentivize people not to work. >> i think we all agree that we should be doing, but what we should not be doing is using the pandemic as an excuse to put through a wish list of all kinds of programs that have nothing to do with helping people related to the pandemic. >> reporter: but fox says the real value of this money for her family is priceless. >> i definitely think that this package will help me and my children for sure get us to the goals that we need to get to in order to succeed. >> hallie, thank you. next, 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>> wow, i mean i met swave in 1993 when my husband and i went to the prison. he said, i'm going to be in here for life. 1993, alicia. and i started getting in touch with him. i report the on him a little bit, and then as you hear in the podcast, i started sending him christmas cards because i knew where he was going to be for the rest of his life, and i'm a christmas card lady. then the supreme court takes on this case of, is it inhuman to sentence a juvenile to life without parole? and now that we understand juvenile brains, and so the crazy, unimaginable thing is that swave, who was sentenced to life, suddenly gets out. in the lead-up to that, i started recording all of our phone calls. we have hundreds of hours of tape, phone calls from the prison. then our producer understood that i couldn't do this story. i was a character, and the story was about swave and about this, as you say, unlikely relationship. >> swave, you say if you hadn't met maria, you would probably be dead. how did meeting her change your life? >> well, meeting maria changed my life in the sense that before 1993, i was on a suicide mission. i wanted to die. after '93, you know, i wanted to know what the world was like. and maria gave me hope to see beyond prison walls. you know, she always told me you got to believe, you got to own it. and owning it meant going to school, getting my degree, helping other people, becoming the voice for the voiceless like she told me on that day in 1993. >> maria, so much of this is about suave's personal journey. there is also so much sociopolitical context that is baked into this. of course i was very fascinated by the fact that you went in assuming that suave was going to be a source and this really morphed into a friendship. and that friendship challenged you as a journalist. what were the questions that it raised? >> you know, as i said, you know, as a journalist, we have lots of tools in our tool belt, and you know this, alicia, right? we have different tools in different settings. i understood that people serving time behind bars are human beings. so when i smet met suave, i tre him with respect. then i treated him with a lot of humanity. that is a tool that journalists have. i believe if we use our humanity, we get humanity back, and that ends up creating better journalism, like what you hear on the suave podcast. >> suave, what do you want people to understand about former juvenile lifers like yourself? >> that we are more than our worst mistake, like brian stephenson said. some of us make mistakes when we was young. but as adults, we are out here contributing to the community and helping other youth to prevent them from prevent them ending up in prison. that's what i hope people get out of this podcast. it's not about me becoming a celebrity, because i'm too old for that. it's about helping the youth. it's about me helping the youth stay out of prison. if we could save one person from ending up in prison and the same situation that i found myself in when i was 17 years old, then our job is done with the podcast. >> right because what you're really doing is looking at the criminal justice system through the lens of suave's personal experience. what did you learn throughout these 30 years about the system itself that you hope to address? >> alicia, suave spent years in solitary confinement, years. already, that's unjust. and i learned -- i don't want to reveal too much, because the podcast is all about these cliffhangers, but there's this extraordinary abuse in the criminal justice system and suave was swept up into that. episode six is the big reveal that i didn't even know, which i can't reveal, which is what happens when you are committed to a kind of code of the streets? the important thing for me, alicia, that suave has come out with a clear mind and head. you know, alicia, suave used to tell me about watching msnbc, about watching me, about watching you. and now he's on msnbc and the guys at greater ford are watching him right now. and that's an extraordinary story of hope. and that's why we watch. you just made it happen. >> suave, i have to say, i loved hearing your story. i loved learning more about you and your relationship with maria. i also love this core question of redemption. and i wonder what it is that you feel, looking back, as you listen to the podcast almost as a listener in on your own life, what stuck out most to you? >> what stuck out to me is that we never forgot the victim in all of this. it's important to understand that there's a victim involved. and the podcast is not so much about me. it's also about the victim involved. we were all children caught up in the situation that we should have never been in. and i just hope people understand i respect the victim's rights, i respect the victim. and as long as i live, that victim's name will always ring bells, because we cannot forget that there is a victim involved in this. that's what sticks out in the podcast. >> maria, suave, thank you both so much for joining me. next how a murder has sparked a movement among women across the globe. catch the mehdi hasan show. then "the week" part of our new sunday lineup right here on msnbc. r new sunday lineup right here on msnbc. om our imagination, but they can't be held back. they want to be set free. to make the world more responsible, and even more incredible. ideas start the future, just like that. 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