to defendingd sues than listening to dr. fauci. that's all coming up later in the show. we begin the reid out with news that capitol police are on heightened alert after evidence shows a plot to breach the u.s. capitol again but an unidentified militia group. tomorrow, march 4th. that's date. according to nbc news, the fbi and department of homeland security issued a joint intelligence bulletin to law enforcement late last night, warning that some domestic groups have discussed plans to take control of the u.s. capitol and remove democratic lawmakers. this news comes after a hearing of the right-wing qanon cult predicted that tomorrow will be the day that donald trump will be reinaugurated as president, a conspiracy theory that could inspire extremists to act. meanwhile, national security officials testify today detailing explosive new revelations about the capitol siege of january 6th. the commanding general of the d.c. national guard, major general william walker described how pentagon leadership took more than three hours to authorize his troops to respond to that attack. >> at 1:49 p.m. i received a frantic call from then chief of united states capitol police steven sund where he informed me that the security perimeter of the capitol had been breached by hostile rioters. immediately after that 1:49 call i alerted the u.s. army senior leadership of the request. the approval for chief sund's request would eventually come from the acting secretary of defense and be relayed to me by army senior leaders at 5:08 p.m. about three hours and 19 minutes later. >> during that delay, walker said pentagon leadership expressed concern about the optics of deploying uniformed guard troops to the capitol. unbelievably, those defense officials said they thought troops might inflame the situation even as violent insurrectionists breached the capitol and threatened the counting of electoral votes. it's another reminder that we still haven't really gotn to the bottom of what happened on january 6th even as we face a new threat to the capitol. a separate hearing today in which the acting chief of the capital police testified that threats to lawmakers have only increased substantially. >> in the first two months of 2021, there has been over a 93% increase in the threats to members compared to the same period last year. >> nbc news is reporting due to the security concerns, house votes previously scheduled for tomorrow will instead be held tonight. joining me now is nbc news reporter ben collins, marcus nantz and former congressman from florida, no longer affiliated with the republican party. ben, the qanon conspiracy that the real inauguration will take place march 4th, is that still a thing? i have heard that the qanon folks may be moving that date around. should we be concerned they really mean tomorrow, march 4th? >> with qanon, they live in this land of cognitive dissidents that the whole end of qanon is the roundup of democrats, execution of democrats. they also don't want to admit that that day has a real date or any violence committed in its name is, in fact, committed in its name. when threat become more severe and it looks like real things may happen in the real world, qan fl n people back off. most of these people are just posting dumb stuff on the internet. it didn't want to be targeted by the feds if they're not really part of this thing. a lot of these people are saying anything that happens tomorrow might be a false flag. this is all gined up by the media. it's on the 19th, 20th or some day in the future but they're largely doing that to protect themselves from prosecution. >> to stay with you one moment, ben, do other groups use the qanon calendar to plan their own events, in other words saying qanon is out front because they're the ones saying the kooky things but do others affiliate with them and sort of go with their calendar? >> yeah. i mean, the bugaloo movements specifically, they try to capitalize on protests that already exist and rile people up and then try to get -- they're trying to start a civil war, no matter what. they don't really care what cause it's under. then they're trying to take down the government and replace it with something else. the bugaloo movement loves stuff like this. they love jumping into protests. whether that was the one over the summer or on the 6th, they want these sorts of occasions to occur so they can create more violence. >> yeah. malcolm, let's talk about the real threat. you've got whatever happens tomorrow, and obviously we're going to be watching. we've had the house representatives and senators move their schedule around because of the threats, to try to get more done tonight. but before we look at the forward-leading threats let's talk about the past. there was a piece of reporting that was really important here. let me just play it for you. this is the national guard commander william walker. he is talking about who was on the call when he was getting these desperate calls from capitol police chief sund saying i need help from the d.c. national guard, and he wasn't getting it. there was a call in question. here he is, describing it. >> the army senior leaders did not think that it looked good, it would be a good optic. they further stated that it could incite the crowd. >> and do you remember who was mostly talking about the optics, the questions that senator peters asked you? >> who was talking about optics were general flynn and general pyatt. and they both said it wouldn't be in our best military advice to advise the secretary of the army to have uniformed guard members at the capitol during the election confirmation. >> and, malcolm, when he says general flynn, he doesn't mean michael flynn, he means his brother, charles flynn, who initially the army denyed that he was on that call. turns out he was on that call. what do you make of that? his brother was one of the people encouraging donald trump to use martial law to retain power. >> right. and all throughout the month of december at a period, former general mike flynn had been visiting the white house and explicitly calling for martial law, for the use of the armed forces. now his brother is on a call. he knows that this is a high-profile protest, being carried out by president trump's most ardent supporters. it is that very makeup, the demographic of that target audience that leads him to believe he doesn't want to upset the apple cart for anyone in the national security apparatus and also his brother is involved in this, in some way. let me tell you something, this is now an issue for general -- i'm sorry, secretary of defense lloyd austin. these two commanding officers, one of whom general flynn, i understand, has been moved to another command out west, need to be brought to the carpet. they need to be investigated and they need to find out whether they actually were principally responsible for the attack on the capitol by disarming the united states armed forces and national guard deliberately. >> that's what scares me. we have this stepped-up security for tomorrow. i know you and having twitter that the 6th was going to be something. trump was saying it was going to be something. everyone knew. does it feel to you like we're starting to put a picture together that there was a deliberate, as you just said, basically said, attempt to allow a siege at the capitol because this is something that people understood the president wanted or maybe just the theatrics of what looked like a siege? how far might this go? >> you know, i don't want to speculate to think that people actually sat and thought and planned for this to be a siege of the capitol. i don't think that was the plan at all from the national security apparatus. i think it was absolutely the plan of the protesters. we had been watching for weeks where they were making up, storm the capitol. storm the hill t-shirts and selling them on etsy, right? they prepared for that. people bought body armor, pepper spray, bear spray, objects that the park police would never have allowed at any other protest in washington, d.c. again, it was the fact that they were white, trump voters, supporters of the president and the agenda that the apparatus of national security said, nothing is going to happen with these people. let's just step back and they're just going to do a walk up there because the president talked about it. every other person in the counterintelligence and the global extremist world were saying these people are going to attack the capitol. one last thing, joy. there had already been a plan for this plotted which was michigan plan b against governor whitmer where they said in november they were going to take over the capitol and execute all the democrats in the building. baseline, they should have been prepared for this. >> yeah, indeed. let me go to you, david. you now have a republican party that's part of the investigative structure here to try to figure all of this out. a column in "the washington post" this week saying they are now the party of these people. the people who stormed the capitol basically now reflect the base of the republican party they have no interest in investigating them. here is mitch mcconnell. he's on fox news and he's asked about the former president, who still is out there, potentially able to foment this kind of big lie, which could be dangerous, and here he is, being asked about him. he had rebuked him before. here he is now. >> at this point, do you have any regrets about the statement that you made on the floor? would you take back any of that today? >> look, i think the actions of the democratic administration are unifying the republican party. >> what did you think when you heard her him at cpac naming all of those who voted to impeaching, saying we need to get rid of these republicans? >> well, i didn't watch it. the important thing now the american people expect from us is to stand up to this left-wing administration. >> so you don't want to comment on any of that? i understand what you're saying that you want to move forward. he also went after the supreme court. >> it's been my practice over the years not to attack the supreme court for decisions i don't like. >> do you think the president was wrong to say that? >> it's been my practice over the years not to attack the supreme court when they make a decision that i don't like. >> david jolly, if the senate minority leader is too afraid to even comment on former president, i don't understand how any republican can participate in protecting us from another attack on the capitol. >> yeah, joy, mitch mcconnell never misses the right moment to say the wrong thing and that's a perfect example of it. i think it's a reflection of something much more dangerous, much more serious within today's republican politics that we have watched now for a period of time. if you take the events of january 6th, the threats of tomorrow, republicans and republican leaders see the perpetrators of the january 6th storming of the capitol as merely part of a political coalition, not part of the flash mob, domestic terror cell by which they behaved, when they tried to take down an election and took down a capitol. rather than approaching those perpetrators as criminal actors of a terror cell, they approach them as part of the republican coalition. and that's why they won't ever address the threat caused by this loosely knit organization done so under the banner of trumpism. that's why you see the likes of marsha blackburn trying to turn this into a black lives matter conversation and ultimately why, joy, any commission that includes republicans is doomed for failure because they will turn it into a cancel culture, free speech, political affiliation debate, not one on the security threat that was caused on january 6th. >> yeah. they can't even defend -- denounce qanon because some of them are qanon. ben collins, malcolm nantz, david jolly, thank you. 19 million men, women and children being told you're on your own. remember ronny jackson who voted to overturn the election? 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>> joy, it just burns in my heart. as you point out, this is a state that has gone not just through its ups and downs but coming off a humanitarian crisis, still unfolding, by the way. there are still family members i have who are boiling their water in parts of houston. it's not like it's all honky dory now. mayor of san antonio said it best. you can't cut your parachute off just as you're slowing on the descent. that's exactly what they're trying to do. very things that are working, the reasons cases are coming down and just cutting that off is exactly the wrong thing to do. joy, let's be honest. it's not like abbott is alone. he has about 12 other governors who have said no mask mandate. what's wrong with reopening, right when we're going into spring break, right when we're going into easter break, right when we know houston, texas, the first united states city to have all five of the most concerning more infectious, possibly more deadly variants. joy, why not open up the state and put, by the way, not governor abbott, not ken paxton, not any of the people in the state legislature at risk. who? the people who are cleaning up the table after governor abbott put his little faux press conference in lubbock, texas. that's are the people he put at risk, and he doesn't care. >> clearly not. i'm glad you mentioned spring break. i teach a class at howard, and their spring break start this is friday. some of them are already at home but some of them will be heading to different states or leaving texas and going to other states. dr. patel did mention all these other states. mississippi and texas go the furthest in terms of on march 10th, complete free for all. you've got other states, alaska, arizona, florida, the notorious spring break and gangster playground. georgia,ize, all opened wide in atlanta. statewide orders have been dropped all over the country. look at that map. we're getting so close, jason. what do you make of the politics of deciding to basically reintroduce covid full steam in places like texas and mississippi? >> well, joy, let's hope that neither your howard students or any of my morgan students are at a bow wow concert in dallas, texas. >> for real. >> i think most of my students will be reasonably smart over spring break. this is what makes this so obscenely irresponsible. as dr. patel just said, you have people in texas seven days ago using melted snow to shower, to drink, to flush their own toilets. you still have people who were burning furniture to keep their houses warm at night. this is a state that is still in a state of emergency and you're deciding to add to that emergency by saying, hey, come get some tatoos and go to the beach. the same thing is happening in mississippi. georgia has some of the lowest vaccination rates in the country, next to texas. it is absolutely insane and irresponsible. and i think in many instances what these politicians are doing is they're trying to distract from the issue. hey, let's open up the state so you don't look at my incompetence on the issues of handling the weather and the grid. let's talk about dr. seuss so you don't look at the fact that we're destroying a covid recovery bill. they want to distract you with bobbles and going back into the movie theater. >> it's completely performative. this isn't even politics. dr. patel for real people, jackson, mississippi, is still suffering. the black parts of jackson don't have any water, just like places in texas. this will hit poor people, black people, brown people the hardest, right? >> no question whatsoever. we've already seen -- we talked about the national disparities, joy. in parts of mississippi, there is literally no place to go get a vaccine where you can't -- you have to drive basically at least an hour and a half one way. that's unacceptable. and that, by the way, when people ask about systemic racism, and jason taught me, you've taught me. this is what we're living. this is day-to-day. this is 2021. i hate to say it this way. when these things unfold, joy, it feels like nobody cared. when you see health professionals being slapped down, it feels like nobody cares and that's how texans, mississippians are feeling tonight. >> i'm sure, the doctors are exhausted. there is a term called necropolitics, basically the politics of who gets to live and who gets to die. these states what they have in common is they have structures that say black and brown lives matter less. all that matters is that the black and brown people get into the factory and make me my stuff. get there and do my nails. work. get back to work now and do things that i, the comfortable, affluent person need. isn't that what we're saying? that's what it feels like to me, necropolitics. >> the hunger games would be more humane, if they made people line up and fight for vaccines. at least you would have a chance. no, they're just going to starve people. the party of supposedly family values is basically saying, you kids starve. auntie starves, uncle starves and my wife and my smart son get to eat, live and get the vaccine. here is what's the problem. it used to be just an issue of harming black and brown people but this is harming what's left of the republican base. mississippi is a red state. they're killing their own supporters. texas is a red state. they're killing their own supporters. it's just anilism and lack of empathy for the catastrophe that so many americans are living through right now. >> and let's not forget -- >> texas didn't expand the medicaid program on purpose. they turned down money. >> yes. >> to expand a program that could get people health care. that's the state we're talking about. >> yeah. no, absolutely. there's a reason we call it necropolitics. it's vicious. kavita patel, jason johnson, thank you. absolute worst, we haven't gotten there yet. first, why aren't authorities doing more to address the recent spike in hate crimes against asian-americans? 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(buzzer) (vo) the epson ecotank. no more cartridges! it comes with an incredible amount of ink that can save you a lot of frustration. ♪♪ the epson ecotank. just fill and chill. a wave of anti-asian violence is surging across this country, from new york city, where a 61-year-old man was slashed across the face, to san francisco where an 84-year-old man died of injuries after getting slammed to the ground by a man who charged into him at full speed. the incidents have reached a crisis point with asian-americans now saying they're afraid to leave their homers send their children back to school. >> i called for help, but nobody came for help. >> he started calling me [ bleep ]. chinese virus, all sorts of nasty stuff. they eventually struck me on my face. i fell down to the ground. >> it's really been terrifying for our community, because we are hit by the pandemic of this horrible pandemic and also the racism that our community is encountering. it's been unbearable, and it's been really tough. >> the national coalition stop aapi hate. with the previous president repeatedly using asian slurs to refer to covid-19. joining me now is michelle kim, co-founder and ceo of awaken. i'm so glad you're here. thank you for being here. you wrote a piece that everyone should read. i'll tweet it out when the show is over. but talk a little bit about this from a broader sense. it feels like a lot of this is concentrated around the pandemic and the previous president's characterization of it. to what extent is that it, that people are angry about covid and blaming any random asian-american person they see? >> yeah. thank you for having me. this is an honor. i think a lot of people are attributing the violence, increase in violence to the rhetoric that president trump, ex-president trump spewed over and over, calling covid-19 a china virus, kung flu virus. i think it's important for us to remember that this violence is not new. it has been in existence since 1800s, right? when we look at the history of this country and the ways that anti-asian racism and xenophobia manifested like the chinese exclusion act, to japanese incarceration acts. we're seeing people of yellow as diseased, taking away our jobs. that rhetoric is continuing and now we're seeing increased violence because on part the rhetoric on the community by the previous administration. >> it's interesting. the right is freaking out about dr. seuss. i was looking at some of the cartoons. i didn't know about this history of his. a lot of those cartoons were deeply anti-asian, gross and disgusting, directly aimed at asian americans. we so focus on black, white. we just don't really talk about the anti-asian bigotry that is in our society as well, because asian-americans get put up as the model minority. asian-americans don't have problems? >> yes, absolutely. i think there's a lot of education that still needs to happen in terms of how do we talk about the asian experience in america in a much more nuanced and complex way. and even in understanding the model minority myth where the myth is really portraying asians as a monolithic group, as people who worked hard, put their heads down, are apolitical and they have achieved success by working hard and being silent when it comes to social justice issues. and i think there's a portrayal of asians as being successful. they are financially well off and they've been able to pick themselves up by the boot straps without any support from the government. so i think when we look at the model minority myth, it's really important we interrogate the history and origin of that term. in the '60s, model minority myth was born in direct opposition to what was happening on the ground, where black americans were fighting for justice in the civil rights era and the model minority myth was born to juxtapose asians from black folk. >> that's right. >> saying look at the good asians, look at the good immigrants who are not causing trouble and look at the bad minorities out on the streets, protesting. they're not grateful for what they've been given. so the notion of model minority is directly anti-black. >> let me ask you quickly before we go -- we're running out of time, but is more policing the answer? the downside to more policing means that police can then maybe target the same communities. a lot of asian communities are struggling communities. more policing probably means more violence. is that the answer? >> absolutely. and i think it's important for us to acknowledge why folks are calling for more policing, right? it is coming from a deep seeded fear and trauma of not wanting to see more violence happen to our elders and our communities. i think it's important for us to acknowledge the source of that pain and be able to articulate and direct folks to seeing that more policing is not what's going to keep us safe, right, from what we've seen, we've had a 19-year-old teen in pennsylvania who was shot by police while having a mental health crisis. and while having more police may seem like the right solution, because right now we're all reacting to the violence that we don't want to see happen to our elders and our community. it is continuing to threaten our own people who are undocumented, who are lgbtq, who are disabled, who are poor, who are continuing to face and i know so many folks are working in tandem with anti-policing activists and building coalition across communities to find more community-based interventions. >> absolutely. michelle kim, thank you so much for being here. i will tweet out your medium piece. thank you. appreciate you coming in and having this conversation. up next, tonight's absolute worst. conversation. up next, tonight's absolute worst. - i'm norm. - i'm szasz. 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and yes, west virginia is a trump state. it went for trump by 42 points in 2016 and 39 points in 2020. if you think west virginiaans among the poorest, largely white poppings in america don't want to earn a living wage, listen to what some of them have been telling the poor people's campaign. >> we're essential workers, they call us, and put us in the most dangerous positions there is jobs nowadays in this public, but our work ain't worth a fair wage, a day's wage? are you kidding me? we are tired of scraping, vounging, being hungry. we are tired of being the last on the list. >> so today, senator manchin, not just what you did for neera and what you seem to be threatening to do to weaken joe biden's $1.9 trillion stimulus bill, which to be clear means will help fewer people you, sir, for bossing around the senate, which is not your job, you are the absolute worst. and after the break, i'll talk with someone who might be able to tell us how to get around the west virginia underboss. t aroune west virginia underboss. how great is it that we get to tell everybody how liberty mutual customizes your car insurance so you only pay for what you need? 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>> for real people, this is every minute, every hour, it means people are going hungry. it means they're getting further behind on their rent. they're worried about losing their car. this has already taken far, far too long. in addition to the very human consequences, including for seniors, for children, there's also the fact that these kinds of procedural maneuvers really do shake the american people's confidence in government, which has already been badly shaken by the fact that the senate, from march until the end of december, really took no action at all to deliver help with this pandemic to the american people. >> you know, adam, i think about the fact that if the house had rules like the senate, we would never have anything. there would be no bills at all. you would have never gotten the affordable care act as far as getting to become law. there were 300 some odd bills passed, popular with the american people that mitch mcconnell sat on. the senate is thoroughly broken. what do you make of the early capitulation by those in the senate, that we're not going to try to use our power to get the vice president to overrule the unelected parliamentarian? >> i think democrats are facing a convergence of realities here that they're going to have to face up to. the simple fact is, if they don't take more aggressive stances on things like rules reform and on procedural tactics, like overruling the parliamentarian, they're not going to get most of their agenda passed. right now this is shrouded in a debate over a large mega bill and these machinations are happening behind the scenes. sooner or later they'll come out in the open and we'll have a clean minimum waging on the floor being voted up and down and that will put more pressure on someone like joe manchin, who can't hide behind the parliamentasm rian. it will require them to take a tougher posture if they want their agenda passed. otherwise it's simply not going to pass. >> let me stay with you for a second, adam. you work for harry reid, one of the greatest senate majority leaders in modern history, i think. could democrats change the rules now on the filibuster in a way that could help get not just something like this through, $15 an hour or the voting acts through, could they do something like drop the number of votes you need to break a fill buster to 55 instead of 60? things that could get around joe manchin's obstinance and make people do a real filibuster? that's the first question. the second question is had the president just overruled the parliamentarian, wouldn't it have taken 60 votes for republicans to overrule her? >> the answer to both of your questions is yes. democrats could change the filibuster rules tomorrow if they chose to. it only takes 50 votes plus the vice president to change senate rules. that's something my former boss senator reid did and mitch mcconnell did on the gorsuch vote to lower votes there. the trick is, though, you have to get joe manchin on board with that change because they need all 50 senators. that's the challenge. on the vice president overruling the parliamentarian, that's true. if the vice president had chosen to ignore the advisory, it would have taken 60 votes to reverse the vice president's decision to ignore the parliamentarian. >> how frustrating is it for you, congresswoman? you have something like the minimum wage. the vast majority of people support it. even republicans support it. the 62% support the bill, the $1.9 trillion bill. 53% support the minimum wage and it's bipartisan. people in red states, blue states, they all support it. how frustrating is it for you as a lawmaker to watch policy get made in the house that dies in the senate because one senator decides he's the boss and he's not even the actual majority leader? >> well, i don't think about how frustrating it is for me. i think about how frustrating it is for americans from all across this country, from both political parties who are not getting help. this isn't about one party's agenda getting enacted or another party's agenda getting enacted. this is about americans getting food on the table, about them being able to keep a roof over their head, about being able to afford child care, keep your family out of poverty with an increase in the minimum wage. my frustration pales behind what is the frustration of the american people in seeing that they have a government in washington that fundamentally is just not working for one side. in the senate, it's simply not working at all. >> adam, if the threat from the other side is you get rid of the filibuster, we're just going to repeal obamacare and all civil rights. that's what we'll do, if republicans get control. is that true? >> yeah. the risk, if you get rid of it. i point to the obamacare repeal example. republican koss have gotten rid of it on a majority vote because they used reconciliation so the filibuster was no help to democrats in preventing repeal. they simply failed to get a majority to repeal obamacare. once progressive reforms are enacted they've been historically very hard to undo. >> yeah. you have a bill. i know, katie porter, that you have up. this is the bill on mental health. does it have a chance, do you think, to survive in the senate? >> i certainly hope so. the reality is that as we're talking about dealing with police violence that one in four people who are fatally killed, fatally injured by police violence are those dealing with mental illness. we need to stop treating mental illness like a crime. instead of sending police in response to a 911 call, we need to send trained mental health responders. >> indeed. >> that's exactly what my bill would do. >> hopefully, joe manchin doesn't have a problem with it. congresswoman, katie porter, adam, thank you. that's all on tonight's "reid out." >> tonight on "all in." >> first they outlaw dr. seuss. >> first it was mr. potato head and now it's dr. seuss. >> the places we're going in this country right now. >> with the right distracted by children's book, why it looks like democrats are negotiating themselves down on covid relief. >> then a new security threat at the capitol on stunning new testimony about why the national guard was held back on january 6th. >> plus, congressman adam schiff on tonight's

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