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happened. lee cowan will start things off. >> these people are not going to take it any longer. >> reporter: what a day it was. [yelling] >> they don't get to steal it from us. >> reporter: what a week it has been, and it is all still unfolding. >> it is inconceivable that what happened this past week could happen in japan or canada or the u.k. or france, so why is it happening in the united states? >> reporter: and what does this week say about where we go from here? ahead on "sunday morning." >> pauley: the whole world really is watching the unfolding story of the attack on the united states capitol. seth doane will be looking at what they see.[speaking foren language] >> reporter: it was not just americans glued to our tvs, but allies -- >> this was playing out in the temple of democracy. >> reporter: -- and adversaries.[speaking foreign language] >> there are some problems in democracy. >> reporter: each with the unique view. coming up on "sunday morning," how the rest of the world saw this. >> pauley: then we turn from events in washington to visit with norman lear, the celebrated producer of some of our beloved teevision shows, not to mention the father-in-law of our own dr. jon lapook. >> the very first script from "all in the family." >> reporter: at the age of 98, the producer who changed the face of television, is still going long. what makes you tick? >> i have six children and four grandchildren, and they all make me tick. having finished this sentence and having heard me say "makes me tick," makes me tick. ♪ good morning ♪ >> pauley: martha teichner has the story of the building known as the people's house. rita braver asks if the capitol riot could become a learning experience for our children. plus stories from mo rocca and david martin. and thoughts from charles blow. steve hartman and joshua seftel and his mom are still waiting for that covid shot, all on this sunday morning, the 10th of january, 2021. we'll be right back. ♪ like cordless phones. - ( phone ringing ) - big button, and volume-enhanced phones. get details on this state program. visit right now or call during business hours. to end them, cybereason built a cyber security solutioning. so advanced... it can end attacks today -- on computers, mobile devices, servers and the cloud. and deliver future-ready protection, keeping you sharp for tomorrow. join us, the defenders, in our mission. cybereason. end cyber attacks. from endpoints to everywhere. tasha,on car insurance and a whole lot more?ndreds hmm. so what are you waiting for? hip hop group tag team to help you plan dessert? ♪ french vanilla! rocky road! ♪ ♪ chocolate, peanut butter, cookie dough! ♪ ♪ scoop! there it is! ♪ scoop! there it is! ♪ scoop! there it is! ♪ scoop! there it is! scoop! ♪ ♪ shaka-laka! shaka-laka! ♪ shaka-laka! shaka! scoop!. ♪ ♪ choco-laka! choco-laka!... geico. switch today and see all the ways you could save. ♪ sprinkles! and accessoriesphones for your mobile phone. like this device to increase volume on your cell phone. - ( phone ringing ) - get details on this state program visit right now or call during business hours. >> pauley: the first draft of history is always of necessity incomplete. but we know enough already about what happened last week to make our own attempt at an early account. our cover story is reported by lee cowan. [yelling] >> we were normal, good, law-abiding citizens, and you guys did this to us. >> we can now add januar january 6, 2021, to that very short list of dates in american history that will live forever in infamy. [yelling] >> reporter: how will rrshistory record this day. was it a riot? domestic terrorism? an insurrection? the best hope is that it is at least a turning point. the symbol of our democracy shuddered under the pounding, those watching at home shuddered, too. confederate flags, zip ties for handcuffs. >> biden: what we're seeing is a small number of extremists. >> reporter: the images prompted president-elect biden to use a word we rarely hear, certainly not for ourselves. >> it borders on insurrection. >> reporter: it is as if election day left a pot of stew on the stove simmering. delusions not just glowing in the underbelly of the internet, but from the white house. >> prime minister jean chretie >> president trump: we can't have an election like this stolen. >> we know this has been a stolen election. i have seen the evidence. >> they don't get to steal it from us. they don't get to tell us we didn't see what we saw. >> a lot of these folks have been hearing for months that this election has been stolen from them. they heard it was going to be stolen from that before election night. >> reporter: re renee studies this online. >> they have been fed a false narrative, alongside calls from the more extreme elements that said we have to do something about this. the idea it was going to stay as some online message or commentary is wildly made. >> it had real-world consequences. >> there is no distinction between online and offline. >> president trump: all of us today do not want to see our election victory stolen by a bold and radical left democrats, which is what they're doing -- >> reporter: with just hours before joe biden's victory was set to be certified -- >> president trump: we will never give up. we will never concede. >> reporter: came the battle cry. >> reporter: up on capitol hill mitch mcconnell had lost, too. georgia's runoff would soon leave him in the minority. >> this was overturned by mere allegations from the losing side. our democracy would enter a death spiral. >> reporter: still, eight republican senators and 139 republican house members were still intent on stall the inevitable, announcing they would object to the certification of joe biden as the winner. >> what does it say to the nearly half the country that believes this election was rigged if we vote not even to consider the claims of illegality and fraud in this election? >> reporter: outside the tidalwave of denial began pouring down pennsylvania avenue and seeped all the way to the doors of the house chamber itself. guns were drawn, representatives fled, and people died. including u.s. capitol police officer brian sicny, a 12 year veteran of the force. the f.b.i. promises there will be more investigations. it is into the teeth of that america that the next administration is about to walk. >> nobody looks at this country and says, i wish my government worked like that. >> reporter: ian bremmer is a geopolitical strategist of sort, he founded the you'r eurasia group. >> we won the gol cold war because people around the united states looked to the united states as an example of good governance. you can't say that today. >> reporter: this past week, he says, was just the latest tarnish on our reputation. >> anyone who thinks that we are suddenly going to be welcomed back as america as the global policemen, we're the cheerleader of global values -- we have squandered that legacy. >> the senate will come to order. >> reporter: congress did resume its constitutional duty that nightment. >night. >> for those who wreaked havoc today, you did not win. >> the best way we can show respect for the voters who were upset is by telling them the truth. >> we brought this hell upon ourselves. >> reporter: the halls and offices around them laying in ruins, some of those who had objected to certifying the election changed their minds. others didn't. it didn't matter. by 3:45 a.m., the counting -- >> joe biden has received 306 votes. >> reporter: in the days that followed, whispers of declaring president trump unfit for office turned into discussions about invoking the 25th amendment. house democrats drafted an article of impeachment against the president that could be acted upon as early as tomorrow. >> he must be removed from office. >> reporter: twitter banned the president. facebook and instagram blocked him, too. those watching the collapse from inside the white house, urged the president to publicly grasp a reality that some are not sure he necessarily believes. >> president trump: my focus turns to ensuring a smooth, orderly transition of power. >> reporter: that did not include he would pass on attending the inaugural. >> the president is welcome to come. we'd be honor to have him there. >> reporter: he insisted the war is far from over. >> president trump: to all of my wonderful supporters, i know you are disappointed, but i also want you to know that our incredible journey is only just beginning. >> reporter: abraham lincoln wants talk about the choice between rule and ruin. that was tested this past week. but unity isn't some kind of unicorn. you might remember a moment after 9/11, when the capitol was spared an attack. democrats stood next to republicans and spontaneously broke into a chorus of "god bless america." whatever acrimony existed melted under a common purpose: to defend democracy. that was two decades ago. hardly ancient history, at least we hope. ♪ god bless america, my home sweet home ♪ [applause] reply all look own your look... ...with fewer lines. there's only one botox® cosmetic. it's the only one... ...fda approved... ...to temporarily make frown lines... ...crow's feet... ...and forehead lines... ...look better. the effects of botox® cosmetic, may spread hours to weeks after injection, causing serious symptoms. alert your doctor right away as difficulty swallowing, speaking, breathing, eye problems, or muscle weakness may be a sign of a life-threatening condition. do not receive botox® cosmetic if you have a skin infection. side effects may include allergic reactions, injection site pain, headache, eyebrow, eyelid drooping, and eyelid swelling. tell your doctor about your medical history, muscle or nerve conditions, and medications including botulinum toxins as these may increase the risk of serious side effects. so, give that just saw a puppy look. and whatever that look is. look like you... with fewer lines. see results at botoxcosmetic.com - oh.- oh, darn! - wha- let me help. lift and push and push! there... it's up there. hey joshie... wrinkles send the wrong message. help prevent them before they start with downy wrinkleguard. what's so great about dunkin' at home? 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>> they were looking for something that is to represent our form of democracy. >> reporter: george washington wrote that it ought to be upon a scale far superior to anything in this country. washington presided as the cornerstone was laid on september 18th, 1793. according to newspaper accounts, at the southeast corner of the building, congress began meeting there in 1800, built by en dentured servants in enslaved people, it wouldn't be finished in 1826, in part because the british burned it in august of 1314, during the war of 1812. >> we have burned the parliament house and the governor's house, so they were just basically coming back and returning the favor. >> reporter: bill allen is history emeritus for the architect of the capitol. >> the senate is a stage, the house is a stage, outside the capitol is a stage, the whole building is a stage. and upon these various stages, the trauma of our country played out. some of it is petty, some of it is noble, some of it is funny, some of it is sad. >> reporter: by the 1850s, the building had to be expanded. when abraham lincoln was inaugurated, the new dome was still under construction. in spite of criticism, lincoln kept building during the civil war, saying if people see the capitol going on, it is a sign that the union shall go on. the back drop for inaugurations since andrew jackson, the capitol has been under construction, or reconstruction, almost constantly. have you encountered any surprises? >> one big surprise: we can't find the original cornerstone. yes. it is laid by george washington. we have done investigations, but we don't know the exact location. >> reporter: nearly a million square feet, 600 plus rooms, miles of corridors, arches everywhere, the capitol is meant to impress. do you have a favorite place in the building? >> statuary hall. >> reporter: why? >> you have statues that are commissioned, and you get to feel who the states feel represented them, and it is the location of the original house. and on the floor are placards of where the famous house members, such as abraham lincoln, where their desks were. >> reporter: it was in statuary hall that supreme court justice ruth bader ginsburg lay in state on the catafalque for lincoln's casket. lincoln himself lay in the rotunda. only 38 americans have been granted what is seen as the nation's highest honor in death. among them, former presidents, unknown soldiers, eminent members of congress, religious and civil rights leaders. the two capitol policemen killed here in 1998 by a crazed gunman. so hallowed ground, defiled on wednesday, but not for the first time. >> the capitol has always been a magnet for people wishing to air grievances. >> reporter: in 1835, somebody tried to assassinate president andrew jackson as he left the building. in 1856 a pro slavery from south carolina just about killed someone. in 1954, puerto rican nationalists shot up the house of representatives, wounding five. there have been bombings, and, of course, on 9/11 the fourth plane, the one passengers forced down in shanksville, pennsylvania, was headed for the capitol. before covid, before wednesday's attack, an estimated three to five million people visited the capitol each year. a fence went up around it on thursday. for the time being, shutting the doors of the people's house to the people, but only for the time being. >> if you think about it, the capitol is a very resilient structure. it has been built, it has been burnt, it has been rebuilt, it has been expanded, it has been restored, and all of that is the monument for the american people and our form for representing the public. it has stood the test of time. mornings were made for better things than rheumatoid arthritis. when considering another treatment, ask about xeljanz... a pill for adults with moderate to severe rheumatoid arthritis when methotrexate has not helped enough. xeljanz can help relieve joint pain and swelling, stiffness, and helps stop further joint damage, even without methotrexate. xeljanz can lower your ability to fight infections. before and during treatment, your doctor should check for infections, like tb and do blood tests. tell your doctor if you've had hepatitis b or c, have flu-like symptoms, or are prone to infections. serious, sometimes fatal infections, cancers including lymphoma, and blood clots have happened. taking a higher than recommended dose of xeljanz for ra may increase risk of death. tears in the stomach or intestines and serious allergic reactions have happened. don't let another morning go by without asking your doctor about the pill first prescribed for ra more than seven years ago. xeljanz. we like clockwork.ht. do it! run your dishwasher with cascade platinum. and save water. did you know certified dishwashers... ...use less than four gallons per cycle, while a running sink uses that, every two minutes. so, do it with cascade. the surprising way to save water. removes ten years of yellow stains. optic white renewal that's like all the way back to 2010. they're jeans. they're leggings. they're jeggings! whoa. remove ten years of yellow stains with colgate optic white renewal. >> pauley: how could a mob successfully attack the united states capitol in the first place? what explains such a security failure. david martin is on the case. >> reporter: an angry mob running rough shot and unchecked through the capitol and to the floor of the united states senate. a scene as unthinkable as airplanes crashing into buildings. >> they could have blown the building up and killed us all and destroyed the government. we dodged a major bullet yesterday. >> reporter: the barriers erected and manned by the capitol police were little more than speed bumps to the angry mob. >> they had these pathetic barricades up beforehand. they should have had more robust capabilities well in advance of january 6th. >> reporter: michael chertoff says the capitol police bear primary responsibility. >> this is a real dereliction by the capitol police. >> reporter: but it doesn't explain this statement by robert conte. >> there was no intelligence that suggested there would be a breach of the u.s. capitol. >> reporter: in fact, social media was full of "storm the capitol rhetoric," including a tweet from president trump predicting it would be wild. and then there was the rally outside the white house where the president and his ally, rudy giuliani, riled up the crowd. >> you knew there was a serious possibility o of an attack. let's go wild and bring your guns. it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out this suggests a series threat to the capitol. whether they underestimated the threat or because they were trump supporter that they weren't going to be a problem, that was a serious error. >> if it is black lives matter, there is a real threat of violence here. but if it is almost all white trump supporters, no problem? >> certainly that is a legitimate question to ask. they need to ask questions about whether there was conscious or unconscious bias, or even some political spin for some of the people in the capitol police. >> democratic congressman james clyburn offered a more sinister explanation. >> somebody on the inside of those buildings were complicit in this. >> reporter: the need for answers is urgent. there are already social media calls for more attacks surrounding the inauguration. the president is vowing we will not be silenced. and one of his supporters warned, many of us will return on january 19th, carrying our weapons. >> i'm afraid we're going to see some very scary activity over the next weeks and months. still your best friend. and now your co-pilot. still a father. but now a friend. still an electric car. just more electrifying. still a night out. but everything fits in. still hard work. just a little easier. still a legend. just more legendary. chevrolet. making life's journey, just better. >> pauley: it turns out the ugly and violent events at the capitol this past week echo ugly and violent chapters of america's past. we have thoughts to "new yrk times" columnist charles blow, who's new book is called "the devil you know." >> there are precedents on the way white supremacists respond when that perceived supremacy is threatened. at the end of the civil war several southern states were majority black, and others were in striking distance of being majority black. then the radification of the 15th amendment gave black men the right to vote, which, in turn, made some of the electorates majority black. this was a serious threat to absolute white power. so white supremacists banded together in mississippi and formed the red shirts. a group of vigilantes who used pressure, intimidation, and violence to prevent black people from voting. what they couldn't achieve nunum mernumerically at the bal, they would achieve physically. after their success, mississippi called the constitutional convention in 1890 to severely restrict black suffrage and right white supremacy into the d.n.a. of the states. state after state across the south followed the mississippi example, establishing jim crowe as the code of the region for more than 60 years. i came do know these facts academically as a scholarship, but i couldn't fathom living through such a period, that was until this election, which provided a modicum of similarity to that period. donald trump tried to intimidate voters before and during the election, and then sought to erase legal ballots after they were cast. he attacked large cities in swing states, those with a large percentage of black people, as corrupt. and with his legal challenges expired, his efforts culminated in a deadly insurrection in washington, his loyalists exploding in support of his attempted coup. make no mistake, the red hats marauding through the capitol were a throwback to the red shirts terrorizing the southern county side. as my friend wrote, not only is white supremacy the greatest threat to democracy, democracy is the greatest threat to white supremacy. because when democracy works, white supremacists will also reflectively be rattled, whether in the 19th century or the 21st. >> pauley: we like to think people around the world look to the united states as a model of democracy. here is seth doane with a sampling of what they're seeing and saying. saying now.[speaking foreign language][speaking foreign language] >> reporter: translating and interpreting those events unfolding on capitol hill took place in realtime on television programs around the world. in india, reporter smita sharma said she almost mistook the scenes for some fictional tv series. >> it looked like i was watching a mismatch of homeland season 9 with survival. >> reporter: you couldn't believe what you were seeing? >> it was difficult to believe. >> reporter: a country of more than 1.3 billion people, india has an interest in this story: it is the world's most populous democracy. >> at the end of the day, we still look up to america for at least being the leader of the democratic principles. if it is weakened internally, then a lot of other countries will find it more justified to carry on and move away from democratic principles. >> for us, it is very easy to understand a politician who does not recognize losing. >> reporter: anna is a journalist in mexico, a country who's populous president has not publicly condemned the assault on capitol hill. >> what is not easy to understand is the enabler, having senators questioning these results, and having so many americans speaking about fraud. >> it broke the image that people have of a kind of picture-perfect washington, and all of the rituals that unfold with military pro session. >> reporter: author of twilight of democracy, was watching near her home in poland. >> all of us are used to seeing demonstrations on the million. what was different about this demonstration, if you could call it about, is that it was a demonstration against american democracy. >> reporter: her new book looks at democratic trends, sometimes fueled by conspiracy theories, and the lure of nationalism, populism, and authoritarianism. >> one way that they use photographs of america is to try to shore up their own regime. >> reporter: the message from authoritarian states say look at democracy, this is just too messy? >> yes. putin and xi tell their people, you don't want to live in democracy. democracies are chaotic.[speakin language] >> reporter: what happened in washington really showed there are some problems with democracy, and it is showing weakness, said hu hu xijin. you have penned and released stinging editorials and that the global times has really jumped on this story, why?[spean language] >> reporter: are the words too harsh, hu asked. can you give me an example? >> in one editorial, you say capitol mob represents an internal collapse of the u.s. political systems. that's pretty harsh. >> i do not think america is collapsing, he said, but the capitol hill incident has shown collapse within the u.s. political system. this headline in the kenyan paper taunts, "who is the banana republic now." and they say the democratic world should be setting an example in other countries who are pushing for basic rights. >> the right to vote, the right to have a judge and a court that is independent from politics -- all of those things we take for granted and they worked so hard for, may become harder to obtain. >> reporter: has the u.s. become less trustworthy than before? 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>> originally the purpose of the waiting period was to give time for the new president to get from wherever they were to washington, d.c., and that purpose seems to be less necessary today, given modern transportation. >> reporter: but 2020 isn't the first tumultuous transition. after abraham lincoln's election in november 1860, he had to wait four months. back then inauguration wasn't until march, before president james buchanan vacated the premisesment. >> i can't imagine what it was like during the ped of time between buchanan and lincoln. lincoln is elected president, and within a matter of weeks after that, seven states secede from the union. >> reporter: during the depression, as franklin delano roosevelt waited to take the reins, the country itself was on life support. >> it is hard to imagine. franklin d. roosevelt really did not know in january, february, ad march, whether the government could collapse before he even had a chance to put his own programs into use. >> reporter: hoover had suffered a humiliating defeat. what was that ride to the capitol like on inauguration day in 1933? >> from all accounts, the ride between hoover and roosevelt was very frosty, as they say. >> reporter: but hoover did ride in the car? >> absolutely. it may not have been the most friendly of transitions, but they were riding together. >> reporter: and that ride is one of the transitions we come to expect. those rituals, few are mandated by law. they're not in the constitution, no concession speech, no congratulatory call. >> absolutely. these were just traditions that developed. when you think about it, the word "transition period" conjures up something bureaucratic. >> thank you very much. >> but it is really something more than that. >> i just called governor clinton over in little rock and offered my congratulations. >> reporter: goodwin says the concession speech has long been a vital step in consoling supporters. >> i can't stand here tonight and say it doesn't hurt. >> reporter: in helping them to move on. >> the people of the united states have made their choice, and, of course, i accept that decision, but i have to admit not with the same enthusiasm i accepted the decision four years ago. >> these people are filled with emotion, and he has to take them from that moment to the next moment of acceptance, and there are supporters all over the country that have to make that same transition. >> reporter: typically during this time, the outgoing president hosts the incoming one. >> that is part of the healing. the outgoing president invites the family of the new president to come in and tour the mansion. it is going to be the hall of the new person. all of those moments, those are visual and emotional signs to the country at large, to the supporters who are disappointed, who lost the election, to the new people coming in, that they're not going to gloat because these to people are able to get together, and then we can, too. >> president trump: we were getting ready to win this election. frankly, we did win this election. >> reporter: this presidential transition period has been bereft of all of these rituals. for only the fifth time in american history, the outgoing chief executive won't attend his successor's inauguration. >> people will look at this period with very troubled eyes. and i think it is a real loss for him, for his legacy, and for the country, most importantly. ♪ ♪ digital transformation has failed to take off. because it hasn't removed the endless mundane work we all hate. ♪ ♪ automation can solve that by taking on repetitive tasks for us. unleash your potential. uipath. reboot work. >> pauley: could the political chaos we just witnessed possibly become a learning experience for kids? a question rita braver is putting to the leading children's publisher now marking its 100th anniversary. >> with the horror of what happened at the u.s. capitol this past week still sinking in, there is an important question: how to explain it to america's children? >> kids want to understand it. the capitol is a symbol that is very important to them. >> reporter: and so dick robinson, president and c.e.o. of scholastic, says his editors immediately started posting stories for students on the websites of scholastic magazines. >> in fourth grade, they will explain it one way. eighth grade will explain it another way. >> reporter: in fact, scholastic, the largest publisher of children's magazines and books in the world, is just marking its 100th anniversary of helping children make sense of things. >> our real personality is being in the lives of kids in school, helping them learn millions and millions of things. >> reporter: he is only, incredibly, the second person to lead the country in its 100-year history. the first was his dad, robbie robinson, you started publishing a current events magazine for students near his home just outside pittsburgh. >> magazines were becoming the mass med jum o medium of the time. and he saw the enrollment post-world war i was going up just like that. >> reporter: as i understand it, when your father started, he actually worked out of his mother's sewing room? >> yes, he did. >> reporter: but within two years, the scholastic was being shipped all across the country. >> this one is the very first issue, which shows a female hur hurdler, which was very forward at the time. there were 1,000 schools at the beginning and then it got to be 5,000 schools and then 10,000 schools, but it took a long time to build this. >> reporter: teachers were soon asking for a variety of magazines, geared to different ages. now there are more than 30, available in print and online, a kid's eye view of american culture and history, and they have always covered difficult, and even controversial, topics. this was 1948, still the era of segregation. >> during brotherhood week, we had an african-american young man, with two other white yung men, which led to the banning of scholastic in several southern states. >> reporter: and robinson says classic has already heard from parents who say the attack on the capitol should not be discussed in the classroom. >> but we don't hold back from that. it's our role to make sure that we do address these important questions. >> reporter: scholastic has a proud history. in 1923, at the suggestion of teachers and principals, the company began giving art and writing awards to promising high school students, a list that includes many who would become bold-faced names, and islami scholastic has anothr impressive roster: harry potter, the hunger games -- >> faster than a speeding waistband. >> reporter: -- captain underpants, all based on books published by scholastic. the company got into the book business back in the 1940s. it is a book-lovers paradise? >> yeah. these are all of the books we published in the last three years. >> reporter: just three years here? >> and each color tells me which year it is. >> reporter: deimosa webber-bey is scholastic's senior librarian. have you figured out how many books has been published? >> the library has about 200,000 records. >> reporter: wow! scholastic published the now beloved "clifford, the big red dog," in 1953, after it was rejected by nine other publishers. and the hugely popular baby-sitter's club series started in 1986, writ tep bwrittenby a scholastic employee who saw the need. >> that i read every month. i knew one book was going to be the new baby-sitter's club book, so what was i going to spend the balance of my money on? >> reporter: she remembers filling out those order forms for the school book club that scholastic first launched in 1948. the company makes money, but kids get to choose their own low-cost books, shipped directly to their schools, even during the pandemic. >> it makes me so happy that they are excited about books, and there are ways for them to get access to books. >> reporter: fourth grade teacher, kerry ann receives in new rochelle ne,new york, is personally delivering book club books to her students. ca>> can you hold your books up for me? there you go. >> reporter: and scholastic book fairs are going on, socially distanced, at schools like brown's chapel element in murfreesboro, tennessee. the books are discounted, plus schools get a portion of the proceeds. the company says its products are available in 90% of american schools, without any serious competition. >> basically no one is crazy enough to do what you do? >> i would say that's a very practical response. >> reporter: scholastic is a publicly-held company. so in your average year, what kind of revenues are we talking about? >> about 1.5 billion. >> reporter: that's good. dick robinson and his family are majority shareholders in scholastic. he worked his way up and has run the company since the 1970s. he is now 83. and as for his successor -- you haven't picked out that person yet? >> that is a matter i probably should discuss with myself and then with you later, right? >> reporter: and robinson says the company's mission for the next 100 years is the same as it has always been, even in difficult times like last week's assault on the u.s. capitol. >> over the years, people have turned to us in important moments like this to explain things to kids and give them a pathway to understand it andfeel better about themselves and their society because of their understanding. 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how about it? another day to wake up and look around and see life. >> reporter: even at breakfast norman lear, always the producer, knows how things should stack up. >> union is underneath the smoked salmon. >> reporter: does it matter if it is underneath or on top? >> it matters a great deal because the union has a tendency to break apart, and the salmon holds it down. >> he has revealed this secret to me because i'm his son-in-law, having married his daughter, kate lear. >> tomorrow is the day i've been waiting for. and i can't wait. >> after recently quarantining for 14 days, kate and i spent the next few days with norman in his los angeles home, hugging him up as much as possible, and making a home movie like no other. >> three of them i wear all of time. one of them just kind of hangs around, keeping the others company. >> here in his screening room are the leather-bound scripts from the comedies he co-produced: "the jeffersons," "one day at a time," "maude," and, of course, "all in the family." >> the very first script from "all in the family." ♪ boy, the way glenn miller plays ♪ >> reporter: series starred carroll o'connor and jean stapleton. >> i thought it would be nice for a change. >> just remember i hate change. >> as the narrow-minded, working class loudmouth and his adoring wife. >> i ain't over the hill. >> well, you can certainly see the top of it. >> reporter: "all in the family" premiered 50 years ago this month, ran nine seasons and was number one in the ratings for five consecutive years. >> there was a discussion about water cooler moments, where people met at the water cooler and talked, and on monday they talked about saturday's show, "all in the family." >> one, two, three! >> there were people on either side of the political spectrum who saw something in it for them? >> yes. i would like to think what they saw was the foolishness of the human condition. >> norman's insistence at breakfast that the union must always go under, not over, the smoked salmon, tickled the memory of pure foolishness of the show. >> hold it. what are you doing here? what about the other foot? there ain't no sock on it? >> i'll get to it. >> one of the greatest gifts in my entertainment career. >> don't you know that a whole world puts on a sock and a sock and a shoe and a shoe? >> a classic theme carl reiner and caro carroll o'connor did -- >> st to stand behind the audience and watch them laughing, a couple hundred people as one, when something makes them laugh -- ik i've ever seen a more spiritual moment than an audience laughs. >> my way with a sock and a shoe on one foot, i could hop around and stay dry. >> the soundtrack of my life has been laughter. >> and laughter for you is a kind of medicine, isn't it? >> i happen to believe with it has everything to do with a long life. >> and norman lear has lived quite a long and remarkable life. he was born 98 years ago in hartford, connecticut. when he was nine, his father went t selling fake bonds, and his mother sent him to live with his grandparents. during world war ii, norman flew 52 combat missions over germany and italy. >> my children are past, and i'm the last member of the crew. >> i don't want to hurt you, dad. >> you're not going to hurt me. >> ouch. >> one thing that is amazing that i noticed over the last couple of years, you're just as interested in people who are absolutely not well-known? >> because i fell in love as a young man with a statement, each man is my superior and i may learn from them. >> that philosophy led him into a pen pal friendship with ronald reagan. right now this country is so divided. what is the lesson in that relationship you had with him for us today? >> we are in this lifetime together. and maybe it is possible to appreciate the other guy for the way his mind works, even when he is not working your way. >> he is fascinated with everybody he meets. and i think that has built a very, very rich life. >> how has the lockdown been for you? are you staying safe? >sane?>> yes, i am insane. >> what makes you tick? >> i have six children and four-growfour grandchildren, and they make me tick. having finished this sentence saying it makes me tick, makes me tick. >> the pandemic comes along and what does that do for your life? >> well, the first thing it does is impression me impris. but i am in this lovely home and married to this lovely woman, so what the hell am i complaining about? 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>> yes. >> there are no appointments available right now. >> but at 3:00 p.m., they're going to say where they are available. >> can i sign up for you? or how do you -- >> no. >> it doesn't seem very well-organized. >> are you kidding? it is awful. >> have any of your friends gotten the vaccine yet? >> no. >> how are you feeling about it? >> frustrated. maybe we should just hang up, josh. let me get back to you. >> do you want me to talk to you on the land line? >> yeah. we're sitting here now waiting, and it is another four or five minutes. i may have to hang up on you. do you want to go on the website, josh? >> sure. it is 3:02now , and -- wait, it says sarasota will update at 3:30 today. >> online schedule will open at 3:30 today. yeah, okay. this is a cluster (bleep). sorry. >> how badly do you guys want to get to the vaccination? >> very badly. it will be like being let out of jail. we're so anxious, every time we just go to the supermarket. we were exposed once, just accidentally, to a neighbor. >> how did you feel? >> scared. afraid. i didn't tell you. i didn't want to worry you. >> i was wondering why you were laying so low. >> well, now you know. >> we have to go on this website. >> all right. i better hang up. >> hi. >> hello. we've been trying to get through, and nothing is happening. it is not working. >> we got a text message -- >> somebody got into the website and wrote "ha, ha," and all of this stuff. >> oh, it got hacked? >> yeah, that's the word. in the meantime, we can't get through. >> i just looked on the website and it says it is sold out for monday. >> oh, you're kidding? >> how did that happen so fast? oh, boy, well, we'll never get it. >> how do you feel? >> exhausted, frustrated, kind of sweaty. 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