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He was fined 1,000 for each of nine online statements. Trump has argued that the gag order violates his right to freedom of speech. Right to freedom of speech. Well, for the latest stories, why not sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen . Or go to gb news common alerts. Now, the moment you really have all been waiting for. Jacob rees mogg. For. Jacob rees mogg. Welcome back to state of the nation. The Energy Secretary , nation. The Energy Secretary, Claire Coutinho, has courageously channelled challenged the extreme ideology of green ism in a landmark speech which warned that the net zero agenda and its policies could crush british businesses if not implemented properly. Speaking today at the innovation zero conference, she told Technology Entrepreneurs that Climate Policy is at a fork in the road, going on to say that the road, going on to say that the first path is one i do not want to take us down. It is one with an ever increasing and narrowing set of targets where the government dictates outputs and prices and a net zero leviathan of Central Planning crushes our brilliant enterprise economy. These astute concerns complement the sensible delays made by the Prime Minister to some of the net zero deadlines, such as the 2030 new petrol and diesel car ban or the boiler tax. But while the Energy Secretary declared the alternative direction of travel as one that still includes a vision of net zero, i would suggest an alternative vision for the direction away from eco fanaticism. Imagine a world where we made use of cheap gas resources, where our gas power stations remained on indefinitely. At the moment, we turn them on and off intermittently , which is not intermittently, which is not only inefficient, but also means providers charge higher prices to consumers. Imagine a world in which we wouldnt have to decarbonise our grid by 2035, which will cost you £105 billion, or 2030. In the labour partys case, which will cost you an additional £116 billion in the past year. Just over a third of our energy came from renewable resources. But in a world in which the grid is fully decarbonised, why on earth would the rest of our energy come from . The answer is nowhere. So we be needlessly facing blackouts, the World Without grid decarbonisation would lead to a world in which we would provide cheap energy for British Consumers. Imagine a world in which we wouldnt force consumers to buy electric cars, not least because there arent enough charging points across the country, but also because they cant travel long enough distances or pull heavy enough loads. Not to mention the fact that the cheapest new one on the market is about £20,000. British consumers would be allowed to keep more of their own money. Similarly, a world in which we didnt force people to buy heat pumps costing up to £14,000 compared to the average boiler of £2,000, but again let consumers keep more of their money. Imagine, in a world in which our economy was competitive and houses warm, because electricity costs 0. 17 per kilowatt hour, as it does in the United States , run the 0. 44 the United States, run the 0. 44 it currently costs here. Well, the point is, we dont need to imagine this world. It is well within our grasp. We can delay within our grasp. We can delay the net zero agenda, provide cheap energy for British Consumers, let markets lead the way with British Consumers free to make their own choices and unleash britains economic growth. This doesnt have to be a fantasy. We can make this britains reality. The real fantasy is net zero by 2050. As even fantasy is net zero by 2050. As ever. Let me know your thoughts mailmogg gbnews. Com. But im joined now by dale vince, founder of ecotricity and a labour supporter. Dale, thank you very much for joining me. You very much forjoining me. I think this is a really important speech by Claire Coutinho saying that we cant move before the technology is ready and that we only make 1 of the emissions anyway, and weve done our share of the heavy lifting. Of the heavy lifting. Well, you know, i thought it was, big on rhetoric, light on fact. Actually, the idea that the technology is not here for a starter is untrue , but all of starter is untrue, but all of the technology we need for the green transition is with us now, the idea that it will cost us more to implement it is not true. Its cheaper to go green than not. The obr told us that a few months ago. Youll have probably read their report. Itll cost twice as much to stick with fossil fuels as it will to transition to green energy. And the idea that we have Central Planning and prices dictated by the government is also untrue. Well, as you know perfectly well , green well, as you know perfectly well, green energy is more expensive because currently it has to have Hydrocarbon Energy on standby and that means you have the capital cost of the, carbon fuels to be ready and you have to have the extra cost of starting up and running down the power station, run on gas, which is much more expensive. Theres a huge cost created by green energy. Well, i dispute the conclusion that because of that, green energy is more expensive than fossil fuels. So where do you attribute the cost of that then . The cost is in the grid. Its real. Its not as big as its made out to be, but it does not make the cost of Renewable Energy more than the cost of fossil fuels. The cheapest forms of energy we have available to us now are from the wind and the sun. And, i dont know if youre aware, but we spend £16 billion aware, but we spend £16 billion a year subsidies using the fossil fuel industry. Thats £500 per household. But thats nonsense. Where does that subsidy come from . Explain that subsidy. From . Explain that subsidy. This is a report by the imf, last year the uk spent £16 billion subsidising fossil fuels and no subsidies for fossil fuels. This is simply untrue. This is an argument made by the green lobby with no evidence for it. Lobby with no evidence for it. Im talking about the imf. Is that a green lobby . Well, the imf gets lots of things wrong. Its forecast the uk economy have been consistently wrong. But tell me where these subsidies are. Well, i havent anyones people have ever mentioned i read the conclusion. You read the conclusion. Well why dont you read the full document, come back on and tell me where these subsidies are, because no one whos come on has been able to point to these subsidies for fossil fuels. Im pointing, oh, no, no, tax breaks are not subsidies. The two are completely different. Any business that buys Capital Assets is allowed to write that asset off against tax, because it is a cost of doing business. Youre saying companies should be taxed on their cost of doing business in a way no other business is. Thats not a subsidy. Thats not a subsidy. Im talking about tax relief over and above the normal write downs that businesses can apply. They dont get beyond the 100 write offs that ordinary businesses get. They get 100 write off of investment in assets. Rosebank in the north sea. Rishi sunak gave them £3 billion of our to money a Norwegian Energy company, and the oil that it makes will never even land here. The money they get through tax is for dismantling assets that have a high cost and that they can offset against their tax bill. But thats true of all businesses. There is no subsidy businesses. There is no subsidy for fossil fuels in this country, which are enormously, heavily taxed. If you fill up your car with petrol, you will see how heavily taxed fossil fuels are. There is the windfall tax on energy companies. Its just not true to say they are subsidised. And you know that youre far too clever to be making these things up. You missed what i said about rosebank. Rosebank is a new investment. It hasnt got government money to do it. It will be a commercial opportunity. Thats not true. Its £3 billion of government money given to a Norwegian Energy company. Do you not know . Company. Do you not know . This is being done on a commercial basis. Rosebank is a commercial basis. Rosebank is a commercial opportunity and the gas will generate profit and tax for the country. And youve also for the country. And youve also youve also. Lets come back also to your point on the technology not being there because thats not thats not what clare said. Clare said the idea that there was no Better Technology to be developed was false, and surely thats true. I was responding to what you said at the start of it. When you spoke to me, you said thats what she said. The technology wasnt here yet. She said in her speech, have you read her speech . Ive read news reports of it. Ive read news reports of it. Okay. So you havent read her speech, which you said was light on detail. So its pretty pointless doing an interview on it if you havent bothered to read it. Everything you said. Ive read, everything you said i read and i say thats light on detail. Thats just rhetoric. But actually i was referring to her speech, which you couldnt be bothered to read. Ive read be bothered to read. Ive read about it in the news. And you you repeated everything that i theres no point in theres no point in not bothering to do your homework before coming on. Thank you. Dale do your homework. Im joined now by james alexander, the chief executive of uk Sustainable Investment and finance association, who may actually have taken the trouble to read the speech and know a bit about it. It seems to me this is important because shes saying that with investment and with developments of technology, there may be a route to net zero. Shes not as pessimistic about as i am, but that this hair shirt approach is not the right one to take. Well, i think i think some of the very interesting things that the very interesting things that the Energy Secretary did say in her speech were that we need to have new innovation in the uk, that we are a powerhouse for, for already creating innovation in our universities are amongst the top in the world for inventing new things. I think the challenge for the uk is how do we create the Investment Opportunities here in the uk to drive growth, jobs and growth in the Renewable Energy industry for the future . And the question that she made a very good point, which im so pleased she made actually, because politicians usually come out with this platitude that businesses want certainty. And of course, the whole success of business is uncertainty is working out where the next opportunity will be. So how do we get the uk to be the best place to invest and innovate . Is this about command and control, or is it, as i would argue about, structures that encourage capital in this country , about the tax regime, country, about the tax regime, indeed about the planning regime , so that people can set up operations relatively efficiently . I think, yeah, i think i think youre absolutely right. We need to create the opportunity and the, the environment in the uk where businesses and investors want to invest. Now our organisation , invest. Now our organisation, uk, sif, we bring together £19 trillion of assets across the uk. The major investors of the uk, and they are keen to invest here. They see the uk as a good Investment Opportunity. Theyre actually very keen to invest in the Renewable Energy in the future of sustainability. They see that as a core positive direction to go. They do want to have some policy certainty because theyre investing for ten, 15, 20 years. They want to know, but also theyre very interested in figuring out and understanding what government thinks about that so that they can come on board with that agenda. But there are some things that government cant tell. So i went recently to see the jcb Hydrogen Plant , and went recently to see the jcb Hydrogen Plant, and i happen to think that hydrogen is a really exciting opportunity and probably the best long term opportunity, and probably better than batteries. Opportunity, and probably better than batteries. But this is a decision that ultimately will be made by the market. As long as the governments dont get in the way and regulate in favour of one Technology Rather than another. So my concern would be government directing and then getting the direction wrong. Getting the direction wrong. So im not sure its the job of the government to determine which technology is the right one, what it is. The job of the government to do is to create an investment environment where investment environment where investment can flow. Now, what were seeing in the us is the Inflation Reduction Act is subsidising a whole load of different things. Now, we are not saying in the uk that we need subsidies, but what we are saying is that we need to make the uk a comparatively better Investment Opportunity than the United States. With that subsidy regime is that things like getting rid of solvency two. So that you free up capital held by, in this case, Insurance Companies, so they can take on a higher risk and more Venture Investments from the ones they were able to beforehand. Well, what we dont want to do is tell Insurance Companies and Pension Funds where to invest. But what we do want to do is make sure that the blockers that are in the system are being removed. Now, what you mentioned planning earlier, we have a huge problem in the uk of how long it takes to have planning to get planning permission and the unpredictability of the outcome. Equally, i think your previous guest talked about the grid and the need to make sure that if you are going to build a, say, a wind farm or a solar farm, you can actually plug it into something. These are the things that stop projects in their tracks. Weve got investors and you talked about Energy Storage and baseload and other things. Weve got investors in our network that are really keen to invest in Energy Storage and other things. Theyve been given grid connection times in the 2030s. Now that is what stops a project in its tracks. Now, if we come as a country now, that means government, investors, Companies Working together in partnership to unblock those barriers. There is a huge wall of capital that can flow into the uk. And if we work together, we can make that happen. And what are other countries doing in terms of the grid . Because the net zero project requires an enormous increase in the amount of electricity, thats being used, and therefore a huge increase in capacity. We a huge increase in capacity. We have difficulties because of planning and because of the size of the pylons. Thats going to be need needed and the long time it takes to build Nuclear Power stations and so on. What are the countries doing that may be getting them ahead faster . So other countries are looking at ways to get private investment into all of these things. Now historically, our grid has not really been funded in that way. We need to find a way. And its very durable. There is certainly lots of private money out there to get that private capital into the into the grid and then into the Energy Pro