>> the options are endless. thanks for joining us i'm sandra smith. >> i think gillian is taken over for martha. >> i am. thank you guys. afternoon. i'm gillian turner in for martha maccallum. this is the story. another young life brutally cut short in america once again investigators say the suspects are men who crossed the border into the us illegally. 12-year-old jocelyn found dead in a creek in houston friday pick the feds tell fox to make venezuela man charged in her murder were arrested then released by border patrol in the last few months. feds confirming the suspect in the rape and murder of rachel morin 37-year-old mother of 5 in maryland made it into the country as a so-called got away. after border patrol and tried to send him back to mexico 3 separate times. here's also this. the suspect in the rape of a 13-year-old girl in new york city arrested and released after crossing the border illegally. a judge ordered him deported more than 2 years ago. obviously he never was. we have marc thiessen and richard fowler standing by who will join us next. but first we'll go to senior correspondent mike tobin reporting live from chicago this afternoon. hi mike. >> with the release of mugshots we have marked setting details about the sad and brutal death of 12-year-old jocelyn from houston. court documents state jocelyn was lured under a bridge by the suspects into this case. tied up. her pants removed and the suspects with her for over 2 hours ultimately she was strangled. her body dumped in the bayou. police say 1 of the suspects is 26-year-old frank and peña and ice sources he's a venezuelan croston to us at el paso illegally. he was picked up by border patrol in may released with a notice to appear in court at a later date. he ceasing a charge of capital murder. the other suspect 22-year-old johann jose martinez croston to el paso also illegally. he was picked up in march also released with a notice to appear he's now facing a capital murder charge. >> we want justice system to do it's job. if there's ever a circumstance where you do not give someone bail this is it. >> sunday night jocelyn snuck out of her bedroom. it's not clear how she made contact with martinez but they were tracked bridge surveillance cameras say jocelyn was killed. her body was found in a creek off the bayou. last and johnson's mother saw her was when she sent her daughter to bed. >> i would have give her the biggest hug. biggest hug. i probably wouldn't have let go. >> reporter: harris county district attorney requesting million dollars bill for both defendants. back to you. >> gillian: mike tobin in chicago. that's been marked she's an former chief speech writer for george w. bush american enterprise institute senior fellow. we have washington post act washington post columnist. it's hard to keep track of the party. we have richard fowler host of the fowler show fox news contributors. thank you for being here on friday. sorry morbid news we're talking about. let's start here. biden has the last few months and starting to take some steps to his administration says 10 town on the border. critics say it is tweet to little late the ship sailed years ago. >> joe biden has broken the record for illegal entries into the country recently your presidency. we are almost 10 million people that have entered the country crossing the border turning themselves in and getting released into the country or 1.5 million of those are got a ways and the person who killed rachel morin this mother was a got away. it's late to turn around and do this but shows the fact he's taking executive action and shows he could have done this from the beginning. he has the same laws on the books that he can use to control the border. not only as donald trump had but as barack obama had. people forget he didn't just rollback donald trump's immigration policy border policy. he rolled back barack obama's policies. barack obama was reporter and chief deported record 3 million people. joe biden's deportations have dropped to almost nothing. he ought to reinstate barack obama's board policies and we will be better off. >> gillian: i guess on the flipside is going a lot of republicans are lining up mine former president trump who says he's going up to institute mass scale deportations of millions of people. do you think that's the answer. >> my heart goes out to these families and other families victims of this type of crimes because their heinous and infuriating as americans see these crimes happen. a couple of days ago governor westmore months on with brian tillman and toker how infuriating he was because 1 of these crimes happened in his state, this mother of 5, now he want something done. what he pointed it was something a thing we don't do enough in the city. because we are in the selection phase quick to point to this person's fault and that person's help but there's lack of courage in the city overall when it comes to getting real immigration worked on. >> washington dc where we are right now. we can continue to rule by executive order which is what we've done the past couple of presidencies. barack obama then donald trump had eeos. joe biden past and we all know the eeos there's not many attached and personnel attached. is not new spending attached. these are band-aids to bullet wounds. we really want to fix a problem with her immigration requires congress to actually get work done to secure the border can modernize our system and show these folks never cross. it's not all by itself if you're going to do mass deportations as donald trump is advocating for the plains going to come? you have to pay for the plains and the personal to man the plans. all that requires congressional action which means congress needs to get to work and get something done whether democrat or republican. >> mark has been vehemently shaking his head smacked it doesn't change the fact. >> it does because your facts are on congress does not have to. the president has all the authority needs to shut down the border tomorrow. trump versus wyeth supreme court ruled the president has unlimited authority to bar any alien from entering the country that wants to smooth the problem is resources. >> if you want to just passport of funding congress will pass it tomorrow. >> that's not true. >> just border-- [ simultaneous talking ] >> senator langford and-- they put forward the most conservative border bill we have seen in decades. >> it was a terrible border bill that would have tied the hands of donald trump. >> exactly. >> it would have tied the hands of donald trump. >> it would have secure the border. hire more immigration purchased -- i've read the bill. >> i've read the bill. i'm sorry you're wrong. your 100% wrong. the president right now has unlimited authority by the supreme court to prevent anyone from entering into the country. this bill would have put restrictions on how many people and what point how many thousands of people crossing the border before he could. it would have tied the hands of the ex-president. if you want to put a bill adding more agents more funding along with restrictions. >> realistically here you need both. of the president took maximum executive action tomorrow shut down the border congress would eventually have to subsidize the policies. >> there's no disagreement with republicans on funding border security. with the disagree with is on the part of the bill that would have restricted the president plus possibility to shut down the border. >> there's disagreements with democrats spent democrats are willing to vote for the bill but it's worth pointing out that the border is 5,000 miles. so the adil asim are going to shut down the border even though the borders neck 1 wall will do it you will need funding from congress to get it done. republicans are willing to because mark said there were able donald trump. >> that's not what i said. >> i appreciate both of you getting into it. it's probably top 3 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he has something hangover trump ignored his business. he can impose sentence on july 11th and take into account anything including a few things trump engages in threatening behavior's what's the point of a gag order now? >> gillian: interesting question or point. he raised my mind would you're speaking. it seems that's the main purpose of the gag order at least in this case is have some kind of leverage over the defendant former president. the court insists all along it's really been about the safety of the jurists, the safety of the jurors sitting there. is that a reason to keep that in place now, or even that sort of-- >> it through the not because the jury is not sitting any longer and what's effectively happening is bragg is treating trump as if he's convicted him of either threatening participants, obstructing justice inciting violence when he hasn't got proof of that. if you've got proof of that he should indict trump for that but in the meantime judge merchan couldn't possibly have more leverage over trump and he has just by virtue of the fact he's going to sentence him on what he's been convicted for. >> i want to make sure that we ask you about quickly the supreme court obviously did not rule on overall immunity for trump against rymal prosecution today. what you read if anything into the fact that they haven't made a decision on this yet? >> i think 2 things and 1 is at the very come ticketed case that came up at the very end of their term so it's not surprising they are wrestling with it but also having waited this long that's been to have the most intense reaction to it. if i were on the court what i would prefer is let's decide the case and leave town. i would wait till the end to do. at this point what difference does it make. >> at point. thanks for taking time with us this afternoon. have a great weekend. we appreciate it. >> thanks you too. >> gillian: in another legal battle for the former president is brewing, he's facing his lawyers today arguing florida classified documents k. should be thrown out altogether because special counsel jack smith was unlawfully appointed. jeff paul is outside the courthouse in fort pierce florida with the latest. >> reporter: court just wrapped up for the day with judge eileen cannon not making a decision on the matter to set. she will likely issue written order in the coming days but today's hearings were dominated by these technical arguments and dense legal analysis of us code. trump's team is arguing doj regulators don't actually allow for attorney general merrick garland to appoint special counsel. they believe since his appointment was unconstitutional smith cannot prosecute former president trump in the case. there for the case should be thrown out. special counsel smith's team says that argument simply doesn't hold water. several courts have rejected similar or near identical challenges regarding other special counsel's in the past. and because of that eileen kenton appointed by trump in 2020 is facing criticism for slow walking the case and seemingly delaying the trial past the november election but former us attorney for the southern district of florida kendall coffey says the pace of the pretrial hearings is justified given the gravity of the 40 felony counts the former president faces. >> this judge is allowing hearings were a lot of judges are simply rejecting the positions on the papers. i think it's a credit to the judicial system when time is given on a case that's this important with these momentous issues that the judge is taking time for these kinds of issues and having hearings. >> according to her folks were inside judge eileen cannon was very engaged in this matter asking multiple questions on both sides. at 1 point she did press prosecutors about what role did attorney general merrick garland play in the indictment of former president trump when did ask prosecutors about that. they didn't really answer. space jeff paul in fort pierce this afternoon. thank you. this just into the newsroom breaking right now 2 people are confirmed dead and 8 others injured after shooting at a grocery store in arkansas just south of little rock. real earning 1 of the victims as a law enforcement officer but the injuries thankfully are nonlife-threatening. police say officer shot and quickly wanted the shooter. no word as of right now and what led to the outbreak of gunfire. will be tracking that. this rnc chair michael whatley plus howard kurtz in the final stretch to the big cnn presidential debate with special coverage right here on fox news. stick with us. indoorsy tina loves a deluxe suite. ooh! booking.com booking.yeah this is our future, ma. godaddy airo. creates a logo, website, even social posts... in minutes! -how? 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>> we know the selection will be decided by 7, 8, 9, 10 states across the country. we know those are the purple states battleground states and we know it's going to come down to handfuls of voters in every so go 1 of these states. what we have seen consistently over the course of this year's president trump is leading in every so go battleground paul. he's starting to get up to the point where states like virginia and minnesota and new hampshire are in play and is leading on every single issue. this election will come down to a question of strength versus weakness and what we saw during president trump's 4 years was a record of success, strength. we have seen during joe biden's 4 years as a record of weakness and failure in the american voters are going to go vote based on whether they are better off today than they were 4 years ago and there's not a single nitric president biden can show where america's better off than they were 4 years ago. >> gillian: what is the campaign doing now to try to dissuade more independent voters? from turning towards president biden? >> we are reaching out to every american family. we are reaching out to every american voter and we are looking at the records. we actually have for the first time in a very, very long time 2 former presidents or current president and former president both with track record and we can look at the economy under president trump. we can look at the southern border was the most secure that it's ever been under president trump. we can look at her standing across the world and it was a position of strength under president trump. none of that is true under joe biden. so when we have these conversations with independent voters we are really going back to them and saying are you and your family better off than you were 4 years ago? >> what's the biggest goal for the former president trump in the upcoming debate. >> we need to have a conversation about 4 years under his tenure, 4 years we have seen under joe biden and why america will be better off when president trump goes back to the white house. this is not simply about whether or not joe biden can stand up for 90 minutes straight. it's about a conversation about a vision for america. it really comes back to strength versus weakness and we think president trump is going to use this as an opportunity to lay out his vision for the next 4 years which is really going to influence the direction that america's going to go in for decades to come. >> with the president's focus like the former presidents focus like going into these final days? we know he will be out of campaign trail hosting rally right after or in the same day as the debate. how much time is he carving out to prep? >> he spending as much damage she needs to to feel very come to both these issues. this debate is going to be a conversation with the american people. he's been having conversations with the american people for the last year. ever since he decided to run for president again. he's been directly can indicate with american families all across the country. he's been doing it in new york. he's been doing it in battleground states. has been raising money. the guy has been absolutely working every single day to fight for the american people. that's not going to change. we are very excited about the opportunity to be on the stage with president trump and joe biden and let the american people see the difference between these 2 men and their visions for america spee. >> gillian: michael whatley we wish the best of luck. things were taking some of your precious time in this countdown to the big night. we appreciate it. >> thank you gillian. also with us is media buzz host howard kurtz right here live in person in washington. first let me get your reaction to it michael whatley just said. all eyes were on the big debate coming up. he said this is about strength versus weakness and there's basically no better form to highlight that then debate. >> the debate could be game changer could be a bust. 70 donald trump is starting to see joe biden as a pretty good debater after months of you can barely string 2 sentences together but there's no question joe biden has gained a little ground. that maybe because of uptake and how the economy is perceived and may be because he's close the border to asylum-seekers and maybe because of donald trump's criminal conviction although that's brought him lots of money. you mentioned margin of error and this 50 to 48 lead joe biden has over trump and the fox paul. those are national numbers so i don't think there 8, 910 battleground states. at the michigan pennsylvania and wisconsin catka thousand people in the states and the rest of us can take a nap. but also margin of error means they could be tied. trump actually maybe slightly ahead so this is not a political earthquake. it's a bit of a tremor. >> there's people in both sides panicking now but the structure attention coming from james carville the other day speaking without hunt yesterday. take a listen. >> the president needs to give a speech and in 15 minutes don't kid yourself. they knew exactly. tell us what negative took sexually -- to accentuate. and you could have kind of enforcement mechanism but what is hopefully we get the senate debate and there's a coherent line of attack coming out biden against trump. so we can all pick it up. i don't ought to do that. it's pretty wild coming from former data -- democrat strategists saying the president should try to get the media to rig the election along. >> i don't think that's our job and i understand where they're coming from. president biden has gotten a lot more aggressive going after donald trump but 2,000 people in america don't know what they think about both of these president threats. that's why i'm a little skeptical by how much of a game changer the debate might be. the main thing about this fox paul is it's an exhale moment for a lot of pro-biden media people as well as political people who have seen joe biden be behind for so long. no psychologically they'll say he might might catch up and win. they can cancel therapy appointments. but by and large this is a very tight race. i pay more attention to the battleground state polls but gives us something to chew on until next week's cnn debate. >> alyce jordan said all biden really needs to do is not have a senior moment and he will win this thing. there's something to be said for that. we have to leave it there. thanks so much. >> be cogent and don't walk into the curtains. >> gillian: it could be fatal. thanks for being with us. the cnn presidential debate 6 days away. be sure to tune into fox news democracy 24 special coverage of the simulcast. coverage begins thursday june 27th at 8:00 pm eastern right here on fox news. former president trump have a shot at flipping traditionally blue territory? 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[ cheering and applause ] >> gillian: welcome back. former president trump trailing president biden by just 8 points in deeply new york. it's been 4 decades since republican ronald reagan won. very notable trump is leading biden in new york by 17 points among independents. let's ring in clay travis and former deputy assistant secretary of state for strategic communications for hillary clinton. thanks for being here. let's start with new york. the former president's closing the money gap with president biden raising tens of millions of dollars since the conviction. he remember the opening of support. people in new york presumably at least some new yorkers going to trump tower to support him the day after the verdict or in the afternoon, the same day the verdict came out. pretty remarkable. >> if trump loses new york by h., if that poll is accurate trump is going to be the winner in 2024 and we will not even have to stay up very late into the night to know. because trump lost new york by 23 points in 2020. just based on being down 8 that would put into play virginia. it would put into play new jersey. it will put into play new mexico. it would put into play minnesota. i think you will win nevada no matter what. but it would mean he would win pennsylvania that he would win michigan and wisconsin. and i bet even philip who doesn't agree with me very much, i bet he would agree if trump loses new york by 8 points joe biden will lose the election. may agree on that right off the top, in the spirit of good faith and the weekend rolling in? >> gillian: i'm betting you will say no. >> i will agree to that. no i would agree to that if pack hold on. hold on. donald trump held the lead in florida by 15 points then 9 and now 6. and we agree of donald trump only wins florida by 6 that he's got a big problem. if we mutually agree if it's a bipartisan mutual agreement i will take that agreement. i think that is a fear. >> that's a good argument by philip. here's the challenge. trump i believe only won florida by 3 in 2020. if you wins by 6 in florida tech and to be fair i think you'll win by more than that, he would still be doubling the amount he won and state of florida by. if trump only wins florida by 3 then i think we can say uh-oh trump may have issues in the state of florida. if he loses new york by 8 that would mean he's improved. i'm not great at math. i went to tennessee public school. i believe that would mean he's improving in new york by 15 points. if he improves by 15 points in new york attack he is not losing pennsylvania can wisconsin or michigan and he's likely even going to add minnesota to his bn record book their, so i think again these numbers when you look at virginia dead even in the fox news polecat when you look at minnesota there is a poll that had him up 1, biden is playing defense. trump is advancing. i don't think north your line is in play. the only route right now 4.5 months out his big ten superiority that would put joe biden back the white house. >> gillian: trump did win florida by just over 3 points, a weak spot. ivy league spot for clay too bad a weak spot for president biden is his lead is now shrinking definitively among black and latino voters. take a look at these 2. cnn poll just conducted has joe biden leading among black america, excuse me black new york state voters by 20 points. 2020 fox water analysis had biden up by 86 points. likewise among latino new yorkers. we have a see in opal now with joe biden leading 28 points. last time around 2020 leading by 49 points. what's he going to do to overcome this? >> let me go through a couple of things. i think we can agree that donald trump will lose new york for the third time. if we're going to extrapolate states then we should extrapolate the national holes. i know the answer will be the state polls what matter but we should acknowledge every national poll the last week has been turning to joe biden and that's not good for the former president. for the money race let's be clear. well done trump has raised a lot of money because of convictions he's had to spend more money to pay for legal fees to defend convictions. upwards of $150 million, $125 million so he's holding giving. in terms of where joe biden is or is not losing support i think what we have seen since the convictions is not a wholesale movement of any subset of voters. but we have seen a revelation of soft underbelly with certain segments. independence which has shown a willingness to either come home to joe biden have some kind of alternative but also black americans who are saying they are not thrilled that former president trump was found guilty of 34 philonise but there are not coming home to joe biden. except that jumble proposition down to joe biden's benefit especially coming into the debate. i have to say while i have to admit i don't want your show, i did catch the clip of donald trump during a total 180 on execution settings last night and saying keno finds joe biden to be a very formidable debater and could be very close call. >> gillian: you get the last word clay. you have 10 seconds. >> you are admitting you're not watching fox news. even democrats are watching more than msnbc and cnn. more money to spend is going to be winning in 2024. i have a bet for philip nice steak wherever he wants to go. >> gillian: have a great weekend. thank you for taking time with us. coming up nuclear save rattling some of the americans worst foreign adversaries. we have that coming up next. yay - woo hoo! ensure, with 27 vitamins and minerals, nutrients for immune health. and ensure complete with 30 grams of protein. 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>> i think saber rattling is exactly the right way to describe what we are hearing from vladimir putin. he's not going to nuke london. he will not nuke the united states. what he's trying to do is posture and bluff. that's the way strongmen behave. we seen this time and time the hand again from russia throughout the war in ukraine. this is about ukraine joining nato. then sweden and finland joined nato and its crickets from the kremlin. if you let ukrainians carry out strikes on russian sovereign territory this will be a game changer. that's happening again its crickets. putin is bluffing. we need to take seriously an alarming trend. putin has suspended participation in arms-control treaties that currently cap the number of deployable warheads at 1500 give or take. united states and we sign a treaty we follow it. the russians all bets are off. the chinese threat needs to be taken very, very seriously. in 10 years they will have the same nuclear capabilities we have right now and we have never faced a situation where we have needed to use our nuclear arsenal to deter not 1 but 2 adversaries. >> gillian: anything the biden administration can do, in let's say just through january 21st of next year, anything they can do in months to try and bring the russians back in line or not really? >> we need to take a page from the ronald reagan playbook. we've seen this player before. the 1980s russians dramatically ramping up nuclear keep abilities and reagan's response was if you're going to put intermediate range missiles that can hit us and our friends in europe we will do the exact same thing. that pressured applying american capabilities was more than just words, more than just threats. it was an actual piece of capability on the chessboard. that's how the russians respond. we have to do the same thing. time is short. on a couple of month before the election but maybe joe biden can take a page from jimmy carter playbook. we know about ronald reagan defense buildup. jimmy started that a couple months before voters showed him the door. hope we will see a similar thing happened the next couple months. >> gillian: want to ask you but i ran. reports this week they have acquired some kind of computer program that can help them accelerate development of nuclear weapons using ai. also reports verified by the iaea that they are dramatically expanding their nuclear facility it's buried in a mountain somewhere and highly secretive but they did sort of i guess report a they would undertake this expansion. now we have intelligence that shows they are moving forward. >> it's very concerning. where we have seen over the past 3 and a half years as a rush to the bomb from iran. they have dramatically and ramped up enrichment of uranium. there at the point that they are within striking distance on nuclear breakout if they make a decision. have they made that decision? it doesn't look like to have but that may be a formality. it's very concerning. this is always been a nuclear weapons program. if you are developing capabilities for civilian nuclear power plants you don't bury them in a bunker. you don't put them under a mountain. that's what you do with military assets. unfortunately this administration has been pursuing reckless policy of appeasement with respect to the islamic republic, doing a most anything to entice back into the failed jcpoa nuclear deal. it hasn't worked. it's actually produced the opposite. iran is richer than they were in the trump administration. they're selling more oil than they were in the trump demonstration and using to enrich more uranium than ever before. >> there's risks to putting all the eggs in the diplomacy basket when dealing with crazy regimes like that 1. we have to leave it there but thanks for taking time with us. we appreciate it. if you didn't catch martha's interview with actor dennis quaid yesterday about his upcoming film reagan stick around for an unseen clip. you also want to see his dog. there's also his answer to this. >> talk to me about what it's like for you in hollywood these days especially being outspoken about something like former president trump. i got the power of 3. i lowered my a1c, cv risk, and lost some weight. in studies, the majority of people reached an a1c under 7 and maintained it. i'm under 7. ozempic® lowers the risk of major cardiovascular events such as stroke, heart attack, or death in adults also with known heart disease. i'm lowering my risk. adults lost up to 14 pounds. i lost some weight. ozempic® isn't for people with type 1 diabetes. don't share needles or pens, or reuse needles. don't take ozempic® if you or your family ever had medullary thyroid cancer, or have multiple endocrine neoplasia syndrome type 2, or if allergic to it. stop ozempic® and get medical help right away if you get a lump or swelling in your neck, severe stomach pain, or an allergic reaction. serious side effects may include pancreatitis. gallbladder problems may occur. tell your provider about vision problems or changes. taking ozempic® with a sulfonylurea or insulin may increase low blood sugar risk. side effects like nausea, vomiting, and diarrhea may lead to dehydration, which may worsen kidney problems. living with type 2 diabetes? 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