california. his special hour on the state of defense. a report card on america's military readiness to meet the challenges of an increasingly dangerous world. from the middle east to ukraine the south china sea to the internet, america's armed forces must be ready to meet 21st century challenges to our nation security. israel's war with hamas, the latest conflict to ignite instability turbocharging attacks on our forces in the region from iranian proxies. we will get reaction from national security council communication coordinator jon kirby about the restart of the war the head and lindsey biting white house faces from democrats over conditioning future aid to israel. >> we want to be so good at what we do that they say not today, not tomorrow, ever forgot joint chiefs chairman are preparing our men and women and uniform for the wide range of security responsibilities across the globe. general cq brown joins me here at the reagan library. and that, before serving on congress that they served several tours of duty on the ground in two of america's longest wars. we sit out congress and michael waltz and seth moulton veterans from both sides of the aisle as a fight for defense spending comes up against a starker deadline. >> is it cool to be patriotic now? what has been cool to be contrary in and right now it has been a little contrary and to be very patriotic. shannon: are inside look on how cutting edge technology is shaping the future of battle worldwide. all right now on "fox news sunday." ♪ ♪ ♪. shannon: hello from the reagan library in southern california. here are the top headlines making this today but israel is widening its evacuation orders for palestinians in southern gaza including in and around the cities and rafah report a heavy bombardment overnight. israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu calling for total victory against hamas and pushing back against white house calls to allow the palestinian authority to ultimately govern gaza claiming the group also calls for israel's destruction. meanwhile in paris, french authorities are looking into whether terrorism was to blame for a knife and hammer attack on tourist near the eiffel tower leaving a german man dead and two others injured were 26 old french national has been arrested. will turn to trey yingst in southern israel with the very latest on the war in gaza. >> shannon, good morning. after a week long a cease fire some more than 100 hostages freed from gaza, fighting has resumed for a third d daypart is resealed official say ground and air campaign and the second phase of this war against the strip could last for months at purdue airstrikes overnight targeted shafts in storage facilities also going after hamas leadership yesterday killing the commander of hamas battalion. he was responsible for the deaths of seven soldiers during the 2014 war and participated in planning the october 7 massacre. new leaflet drops are being conducted across gaza urging civilians to evacuate areas around gaza city and locations aof the southern city. with these jobs comes new questions about where people will evacuate to. as for incoming fire more than two or 50 rockets were launched towards israel since friday morning. we heard explosions there israel's second-largest city of tel aviv yesterday. today a direct impact at a synagogue in the south. take a look. you can see here the direct impact at a synagogue in the southern town. fifty-eight days into this conflict hamas and islamic jihad have maintained their ability to fire from the northern part of gaza. they are targeting not just committees here in the south but also across central israel. as it is hard, i barely sleep maybe three hours it's hard hearing the booms, the rockets appeared i did not think it would follow me synagogue. >> talks to re- implement a cease-fire over the weekend collapsed though today regional sources telling fox news negotiations could still continue. shannon: a tra trait and israelk you. this morning i spoke with jon and kirbkirby national securityl communications coordinator. mr. netanyahu spoke overnight about the situation israel. when he was about the role post war of the palestinian authority said this the palestinian authority pays murderers and educates their children to hate israel and to my sorrow to murder jews and ultimately for the disappearance of the state of israel. he added would be putting the same element utterly unreformed utterly un- change into gaza's of the bite administration expects israel to do? >> he hit it right on the head when he talked about a pa that is unreformed but when then secretary blinken was stalking our israeli counterparts about when he was there was the need to reform the palestinian authority to revitalize palestinian authority that is much more able to meet the aspirations and the needs of the palestinian people. we agree that is not the case right now. shannon: what is the plan though? what would the u.s. roby question rick who should be governing? netanyahu said they didn't want to occupy it, they do not want to control so what happens nex? but to greet them on that to we do know me too see israel reoccupy gaza. that's not a long-term strategic goal that's really achievable or wise for the israeli people. we believe that at the core of the future of governance in gaza has got to be something the palestinian people have a boat in a voice in they have a governance that is truly representative of them and their aspirations. now what exactly that looks like we do not know but we are asking the same questions you are asking me of ourselves and our partners to see what we can do in the region working again with israeli and arab partners to see what a reit vitalize reform refm housing authority can look like and could that reform the palestinian authority actually be able to govern gaza in a way that meets the aspirations is the same questions we are asking ourselves. we do not have firm answers we don't believe it's too early to be looking hard at this. shannon: is a lot of heartbreak and destruction between here and there is conflict and fighting has resumed in the region. there's obviously coordinated messaging out for the ministration this weekend about the current strategy underway in israel here's a little bit from the secretary of defense here at the reagan form and also the vice president. got the center of gravity is a civilian population. if you drive them into the arms of the animate you or bisect technical victory with the strategic defeat. >> no forcible displacement. no reoccupation. note siege or blockade. eclectic question is, is not a public message for israel i imagine y you have the same conversations privately overset message for the more progressive wing of the president's own party who is saying things like this? >> no actually you hit it again in the first part of your question. this is a consistent message we have taken towards really counterparts privately and of course we are talking publicly to about the same big goals and i would tell you secretary blinken talked about this before we left israel the israelis have been receptive to this messages. talk about civilian casualties, yes they are conducting shaping operations for potential moving operations in the south. they put up a map online that is identified for the people of gaza areas where they should not go into areas where they can go with a measure of safety. i don't know too many modern militaries that take that extra step. they clearly are trying to make an effort to be more precise and cautious ear and that is of course something we have been urging them to do it literally from the beginning of a conflict. shannon: that's not something a current sitting congresswoman believes is happening here is her take on what is happening in our role in it. >> what we are witnessing is the gross violation of human rights in gaza. and that is being done with u.s. military assistance. shannon: what is your message to her and others in the progressive left of the president's party who are saying these things publicly? >> was being done with u.s. military assistance is helping our friend and partner, israel, go after a truly genocidal threat. the threat posed by hamas. i think it is just too easy. as we get further and further away from the seventh of october to member what happened on that day. 1200 israelis literally slaughtered kids in front of their parents, parents in front of their kids. we have got to help israel eliminate the threat to the israeli nation and the israeli people from that threat, from hamas. we are going to keep doing that absolutely. now the same time just like you and i've i been talking for a fw minutes, we want them to do in the most careful, conscious, considerate way possible but how it matters as we've said. i would stress the israelis have been receptive to those messages and they have actually altered the way they have been conducting some of their operations. i also want to say clearly common to many thousands of individual civilians had been killed. to be more thousands have been wounded we have more than a million have been internally displaced in gaza we are not blind to the mentoring crisis which is why we work so hard. the pause in place for seven days we get hostages out and get an accelerated amount of food, water, medicine, fuel into gaza. we are certainly working on the humanitarian plague here. we can have got to state courts would have on the seventh of october and remember the threat they're facing from hamas. >> it is existenial three thick critics of the guidance or the conversations we are having publicly or privately with israel say the bite administration is making demands it israel cannot actually fulfill hears from the wall street journal editorial board israel must do more to protect civilians but can't evacuate them cannot hit hamas when it hides a key civilian infrastructure and safe zones how is it to fight it all? israel deserves to support as it topples hamas not a repeat of the ukraine treatment that they say was rules, restriction and head to the hesitation pushed a decisive victory further away. how much of the cou counsel youe having privately with israel requires him to pass any decisions by us? >> none. that argument does not comport the facts that we are laying down restrictions or redlines for israel. israel is a sovereign nation attacked in a brutal way on the seventh of october. they have every right and responsibility to after the terrorist group that perpetrated those attacks and plan them and by the way has made it clear they're going to do it again and do more. we have every right and responsibility to go after them we would do the same thing any nation would. but we have dennis talk to them, share our perspectives and lesson learned about urban warfare is secretary austin said about not turning a tactical victory into a strategic defeat were going to share that that's what friends do but they are making these decisions. they are decidedly targets they are going to hit obviously were continued to talk with an abutting is careful and cautious as possible. we do not want to see in them are innocent civilians killed and i don't think the wall street journal once that either. but we are not going to stop giving them the security assistance they need to go after this issue quite accurately put it an existenial threat to the israeli people. shannon: quickly went to make sure we ask how many americans do we think are still hostages? why don't we have them back question are going to be get them back? works we think the number somewhere in the neighborhood of eight or nine probably nine way to have perfect visibility and all of us americans are being a little careful with the numbers but that is kind of the population we believe it is. we know there is at least one other american woman who is unaccounted for we do not know much about her, her condition, where she is i was had thing unfortunately about the other americans being held hostage we just to have perfect visibility. getting some information from the families who are helping us understand why they believe their legends were taken hostage the israelis are trying to flesh out some of her information. we are working at this literally by the hour. want to get the possible back in place so they get more hostages can come out. i will say this to things if you will allow me. one, hamas is the reason the pause ended they refused to put on the list of add additional wd children that we know that they are holding they are refusing to let go. and it too we are working at literally by the hour to save and get this back. shannon: at jon at kirby we always appreciate your time thank you sir. >> yes, ma'am good to be with you. shannon: up next my conversation with the chairman of the joint chief of staff general cq brown with his assessment of the state of our military and increasing threats from china, russia, and iran as we examine the state of defense here at the reagan library in simi valley, california and here's the 40th president of the united states back in 1983 giving an address to the nation on defense and national security. proxy defense policy of the united states is based on the simple premise. the united states does not start fights. we will never be an aggressor. we maintain our strength in order to deter and defend against aggression. to preserve your freedom and peace. 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>> the first thing i tell them is they ought to be very proud of their military. we are ready for whatever comes our way. at the same time we want to be so ready that we do not have a conflict. we hear peace through strength. our strength that we demonstrate as a military will help bring that piece. shannon: let's stay with china. this issue of competition versus conflict. the president says were going for the former not the latter. there is a lot of information in the survey about how people feel were doing on the front. the majority of americans think over the next 10 years that china will outpace the u.s. on both the military power and economic strength, literature outlook on that? >> might real role in job is to actually make sure on the military side that does not occur which is why i am so focused on accelerating change. that is why i and focus on the collaboration we do having been here the past couple he is not here to reagan but also out to silicon valley how we work together on the national defense and how that helps us economically. shannon: one of the ways it's really on the world stage right now is the issue of china and taiwan which was also covered in a survey paid 73% of people respond to the survey they were somewhat worried about the possibility of china invading taiwan. you said in the past you don't think it will be an actual physical operation to take taiwan logistically very difficult to do that but there are other ways china will pressure taiwan so how do you see that playing out? >> think about what happened in hong kong. the first thing i want to say we should be worried but this can happen or not part of the reason why it's so important that the conflict does not occur but if you look at what happened to hong kong and some things the prc doing today is putting pressure on taiwan. putting pressure on countries in the indo pacific. whether it's economically or militarily that we have seen. continued pressure to wear in this case it taiwan or others to their own game. we've got to pay attention to that which is why i go back to over the course of the five years i was the commander of the civil air force before became commander of the air force watching how many of the nations in the region and out of the survey at the american public start to see the prc as a challenge we are able to bring those things together. basic 70% say they have real concerns the conflict will spill over into a nato country and directly forcing the u.s. into this battle. any thoughts and where you see putin going is that more or less likely almost two years into this? >> what a seat right now if you think about what putin intended to do from the very start in the territory he gained in the territory he lost in ukraine things have not gone according to his plan. i think because of what happen in ukraine nato is stronger than it has ever been. in fact it's larger now with the finland and sweden. and because of that strength in the dialogue with the many of our nato partners we are all committed to ensure this does not go broader. shannon: how worried are you about u.s. military aid to ukraine causing the u.s. to deplete its weapons stockpile and that were obviously assisting israel and other areas as well. some 63% say they worry about the depletion of our assets are military assets could you address that? >> what we have gone through as we supported both ukraine and israel. we go go through our own analyss what we require to execute our operational plans. we go through that level of analysis as we make decisions of the security assistance we provide for both nations it goes back into her defense industrial base to build out capability not only for allies and partners but also for us. that to me is important it helps us continue down the path of modernization and bring in capability. and the defense industrial base the supply chain all important to our defense. shannon: let's talk about artificial intelligence it shows up in the survey. when we asked that the military should integrate more use of ai about half of american states too soon they do not to comment on that or assess whether that could be a good match but of those who waited more than half of them said in the survey they think it is a bad idea for the military to be using ai so how do you address those concerns? >> the first thing i think about is ai has opportunity and capability. the way i think about using ai is the first of all we have operational we have to solve as a military ai is not the panacea this going to solve all of those problems or you can't sparkle ai dust on everything and it's going to make life better. but we do have to do is look at work ai has a application based on what were trying to achieve. >> is missing the middle of all this challenges you are there some recruiting goals that have been missed by some of the branches. the defense survey also asked if a close friend or family or work consider joining the military would you encourage or discourage question at 51% they would encourage people what is your message to the next generation to be open to joining to wearing the uniform? even to be excited encourage me part of this? >> the first thing i highlight this great opportunity. the fact that we, as a nation, talk about the value of service. whether it is in uniform or working as a civilian in the department of defense or some part of the government or your community how important it is. i think about the opportunities. and the things that young people will have the opportunity to do if they were to join our military. we have to talk about that. and partly the reason they say t is because young people inspired to be they see or know about if you don't about the opportunity of serving in the military you may never pursue that career. so for my own personal experience this whole thing was my dad's idea. [laughter] supported by my mom. quote four years in military will not hurt you. [laughter] shannon: several decades later. >> my degree is in engineering i was going to meet air force engineer for four years and get out. got to write in 1837 was in college i had the helmet and the parachute and did acrobatics and that's kind of fun i think i want to do that. i became an f-16 pilot and let's will get to fly today. it's those kinds of opportunities you just don't know and see if had a chance to experience it whether you stay for a handful of years or you stay for a handful of decades they are great opportunity serving our military. shannon: finally being a pilot is a hard few to sit there will someone else's flying the plane? >> oh yes it is a. [laughter] you can hear things you wonder what they are doing up there. [laughter] it's like riding in the backseat when your spouse is driving. [laughter] shannon: what's going on up there? >> we have all been there i can tell by the laughter. shannon: i like to save my most controversial question for last because they are warmed up. next saturday army or navy? [laughter] i mean i feel like as a neutral air force guy. >> this should have had a chance to go to the navy air force game in the air force army game. and i got asked the same question on so next saturday i just look for a good game i'm a huge football fan i like an interesting game versus a blowout. i look forward to shaking hands with a good cadets were out there watching a good game. >> picture, war fighter and a diplomat too. [laughter] german general thank you. [applause] 's to six hour thanks again to chairman joint chiefs of staff general brown. two lawmakers of multiple duties when iraq at one of an gap afghanistan joined us with their thoughts from opposite sides of the aisle. we cannot repeat the mistakes made twice in this sentiment armistice was followed by recklessness and defense wasn't purged as of if the world were permanently safe. shannon: president george h.w. bush in his 1992 state of the union address. this weekend here at the reagan library stepped out to current lawmakers both military veterans democratic congressman seth moulton from massachusetts. a marine captain who serve to dirty santa rock republican congressman michael waltzed from florida combat decorated greenbrae served multiple tours in afghanistan. we are here at the national defense fo format survey result from the start they tap a tough one like i speak to it. folks are asked you have trust and confidence in congress? if i've said a great deal 21% said some. that leaves she was 71% who said little or no trust and confidence in congress. why do you think that is? >> because we are dysfunctional prayer for the first time in history we did not have a speaker for three weeks that's never happened before that is not send a good message to our allies and adversaries around the globe it does not send a good message of the american people. in fact when most frequent questions i get for my friends people who love me is seth, why do you keep doing this? but i think it's a really important time for all of those reasons to keep doing this. >> looked a little bit of that i throw back on the media. we love to cover the train wreck. that gets covered a lot but there's a lot of bipartisan work that does get done case in point our defense bill came out of the committee that seth and i serve on nearly unanimously the last 61 years. there is a lot of work that gets done i don't think everyone's fully aware of it. but at the same time i have a lot of folks who asked me what are you guys doing up there? my response is a small governor of conservative as little as possible. aside from defending the nation i went d.c. out of your lives as much as possible and i think a lot i think should be powered down to state and local. so i get the numbers. but a lot of my job is to one, oversee the administration but then to, is to keep d.c. out of your lives i don't think one-size-fits-all coming out of washington is necessary the solution. shannon: you have a lot of different issues. you have served our country in uniform that's going to give you a unique perspective on how you see things on the hill. you mentioned national defense authorization. that is among the many things you guys have got to get done that something that's not optional. you guys have served in uniform what does it mean to the men and women in uniform to go from cr to cr to watch possibly get stuck with a couple folks have real objections to very specific things? what's the most important thing our military needs to do right now is modernized. as quickly as possible to meet a totally new generation of threats. we can't do that if a copy last year's budget and make it this year's budget that is what is cr does. when we do not have a functional congress that cannot pass budgets, cannot get the nda down the national defense authorization act the annual defense bill should be totally bipartisan. if we cannot do it expeditiously that spends a wrong message to our troops. we should be here to support our troops. we are not doing a good job. shannon: are measures by conservatives in the house that democrats are not going to vote for. they do not like some of the provisions included with respect to abortion and other cultural issues. how do you defend those when it comes to getting money in place for the military? >> one of the provisions as a ban on critical race theory that was my provision we have to fight hard to keep the military at meritocracy race, religion, social economic backgrounds or politics should be left of the door. when he the best of the best for anderson it's controversial to some. but some things we are going to push in their. the vast majority we do end up agreeing on. because when it comes to these threats we face from china, russia, iran, the global threat of terrorism, the reporting is clear that one, we have never faced the threats that we face today and two, our military is aging. we are spending record low amounts on it. in terms of percentage of gdp compared to the cold war i think seth is right and that we have a solid obligation if we are going to send men and women out in those planes, tanks, ships they have had the best equipment, the best training and the best resources. that is one of the reasons i think we're both passionate about getting more veterans into congress and back into our political system. shannon: you wil look at fund gg outside the u.s. that does impact national security interest in our allies. yvette israel, ukraine, the white house wants a supplemental that puts everything together. i am supposing you too may have difference of opinions whether you get some and clean on israel, standalone measure yes or no? >> i think the problem is that in my experience a lot of republican support ukraine behind the scene are not willing to vote for it in public. >> but you are right. but so far the question is, is that changing? you're seeing a number of republicans voting against funding for ukraine go up. i understand it's a tough political position for many republicans back home. but we are trying to do by putting these things together is fundamentally make it easier for getting funding the past which we know is important to our allies around the globe because it sends a message to vladimir putin, to xi jinping comment to every autocrat the two things are just going to bully us and our allies are not going to get away with it. shannon: at this moment would you vote for standalone for israel? >> not if it imperils funding for ukraine but if we pass fighting for ukraine to get over that hurdle and that means voting for scanlon for israel, sure. >> on the ukraine peas i think we are past the point of blank checks, don't ask questions i am joe biden trust me send me tens of billions of dollars. it is astounding to me he has not articulated to this day what is the end estate look like? what does success look like it's fully ejecting the russians from crimea critical national interest of the united states? how long is it going to take? how much money as a going to cost? what is the strategy to get there? the frustration a lot of democrats share was the president has dithered us into a stalemate by not giving them what they needed upfront to win. and so here we are stuck. essentially in a war of attrition and to say you republicans go to your taxpayers. i am not going to articulate what success looks like and tell them to dig deeper in their pockets. meanwhile the europeans or germans in particular just voted down their defense a bunch of their two. we have a lot of questions and it should be dealt separately. the administration's answer these for the american people, how much longer is this going to go? works we have to go to our taxpayers to is not just republican taxpayers that are finding this and i think the administration has been very careful along the way to make sure we get the ukraine's what they need without escalating a war with russia. there is debate about this point. i do not want to lose the bipartisanship here because some of the questions mike is bringing up about what is the endgame? this is a big question i've been asking for israel and translated me too ask ukraine as well that is a fair question for us to have in congress and a bipartisan way it's a fair question for the american people have. shannon: you think you both for serving in uniform for your country but what you're doing now as well the country's counting on you so thanks for stopping in to discuss all the challenges ahead. >> thank you shannon. shannon: are thanks again to the congressman for an siebel conversation this weekend. cap next gop gets ready for it's for the presidential primary debate this time at the university of alabama in tuscaloosa up next the political veil joins us with predictions as contenders are fighting to make it to the stage. ♪ ural gas and oil, america can deliver. but washington keeps pushing extreme policies that limit america's energy. their plan? restrict oil and natural gas produced in america. government mandates for how we fuel our cars and cook our food. a future where energy could be less reliable and more expensive. tell washington - stop the extreme policies and let american energy deliver. from pep in their step to shine in their coats, when people switch their dog's food to the farmer's dog, the effects can seem like magic. but there's no magic involved. 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[laughter] yes you did. we'll take it back to d.c. [laughter] good-looking option here we are talking defense this weekend. mark had a very interesting column out about ukraine's funding that's one of the fights are still having an washington high get that together, get it across the finish line. you cite most of the spending is being invested in happening here in the u.s. we'll talk about the critics that make your case to be a. >> of the best kept secrets in wash washington and 90% the military aid we get to ukraine does not go to ukraine it stays here in the united states to produce weapons for ukraine or to replace it weapons we sent to gray from our stockpiles went more modern versions for our military. we tracked 117 production lines and 31 states and 71 cities that are producing creating jobs for americans also enhancing our national security a perfect example we have not built a single stinger missile the night state since 2005 almost two decades. why is that question if we are fighting terrorist who did not have jet planes. china has jet fighters and now because of ukraine aid we are spinning four to $65 million to build stinger missiles again this is happening across a spectrum on all sorts of weapon systems we are giving them old to claim that sitting in her stockpiles for decades building a new modern stuff that's helping our national security training hot production lines for weapons we will need in case of taiwan, china and to help israel. shannon: we are very backlogged to the tune of billions when it comes to taiwan and they are waiting on us on many of these things. it's out there saying we are subsidizing a grating businesses were paying for every first responder in the country this is part of the concern noted cbs news some of the concerns boil down to oversight. ukraine is a young democracy of the history of corruption according to the monitoring group transparency international, it's ranked the second most corrupt country in europe. only russia scores better, roger? >> lexi economic support certainly is an issue that requires oversight the survey was talking about we heard that for members of congress over the weekend. but what the united states needs to do what we can make the biggest impact in ukraine is allow them to win it militarily. the work of m marc has done a slightly decisive on the battlefield it has a decisive impact on the united states as well as the united states continue to be the arsenal of democracy. if congress comes out of this debate where we decide the united states is going to provide security assistance leave it to your brother partners and allies so be it. but it would be a disaster if the congress comes out of us and stop spending entirely we would lose ukraine i give them victory. >> all this is tied up with the issue of border. there are negotiations in the senate side of the republican side and want to extract real change not just money for the border that's in the supplemental request the white house put together but actual policy change when it comes to the border. that's where the headaches they have this white house also, they are caught between criticism on the left and right with what's going on in the middle east. yesterday interestingly enough a group of national muslim leaders from swing states got together in michigan which they call # abiding in 2024 conference not something the white house wants to be done within a reelection campaign, karl? work so they don't but on the other hand americans like a strong resolute leader who stands for something. if joe biden the biden political machine decide in order to appease a group of a pro- palestinian anti- israeli activist on the left wing of the democratic party they're going to sell out one of our great allies and failed to give it the support necessary to win this war they will be morally bankrupt and deserve to lose. the president helps himself by being a strong resolute leader using his bully pulpit to explain to the american people what the issue is not only in israel but in ukraine and explain why americans are and what it did. yesterday morning we began the first session with the brilliant explanation of why presidential leadership explain what america's doing is an obligation of any president i think marc did a good job in presenting that forever. >> kudos there for you. [laughter] about folks on the other side that who like to be commander-in-chief making the decisions. a big endorsement for nikki haley this week americas for prosperity came out. she has an ad out a tv ad she talks about leaving behind chaos and drama of the past. not sure exactly what she's referencing there we can all make our assumptions. here's the idea of asking this question now about moving forward. how big of a blow is the endorsement for the desantis campaign anywhere in the field would enjoy getting the support. millions and ad dollars grassroots campaigning that sort of thing. desantis boasts a person said this like clockwork the pro- open border pro jailbreak bill establishment is lining up behind a moderate who has no mathematical pathway of defeating the former president. >> strong language for the desantis campaign but in august it was 16 points for desantis and i went six points for nikki haley on the basis of one debate performance she jumped up 16 points and ioan probably is today ahead of ron desantis she's already ahead of him in new hampshire proving to be the counterpoints front runner to donald trump. i would be focused on advocating more for my candidate than trying to drag down the person who has got the momentum the only way to recapture the momentum for ron desantis' do things will cause people to say i really ought to be for him and that did not help. shannon: by the by this morning he said is going to put out something that would be a replacement for obamacare. said the details are forth forthcoming. i sound like a very ambitious proposal but is that the kind of thing that will help him? >> i don't know what it is so i lichens not tell you whether it's a good idea or not. they'll be taking calls advice which is to explain how you're going to lead that's how people in presidential elections i think also what we are having here is we need to realize this is not a normal republican primary third to republican primaries happen and there's the primary to challenge trump then there's a primary against trump for the republican nomination for that field the first primary has to end conclusively before the second primary can happen or trump wins with a plurality that field is down to two candidates s nikki haley versus ron desantis for the right to challenge donald trump for the republican nomination. we need to have that and i hope they're going to be up on the debate stage because of the only people have a chance let them fight it out and let's see if somebody can emerge as a challenger to trump and give republicans a choice. shannon: that next debate happens this week we're still waiting to see his getting in there is a fights to try to get to that stage. what will you be watching for? who has to really bring it home this week? >> i am looking for the person who can speak to the american people be authentic in doing so i really think mark's framework outlined it is going to be the one who's going to win out to challenge donald trump i think nikki haley's been doing that quite well she's not trying to play both camps she's true to herself or that is why she is seeing the support. i love to hear and talk about national scared and foreign policy bridget was in the lens of what the american people should care about. think about was going on with hamas right now if i tell you four to 44 days you all know what i'm talking about it's the days hostages in tehran but if i say 57 days, the american people don't rosa tell many days we have had nine american citizens captive in gaza. that is he sort of think nikki haley can hit on that's what will appeal to the american people i think we'll hear something about that. shannon: there is daylight on foreign policy which could be interesting as we hear them this week making their case to be the ones who take on projects a lot of military ai building imported governor desantis ought to support that. 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(♪) balsam hill. >> the pentag pentagons and lisn the brightest minds from silicon valley to create a whole new generation of military technology to keep the armed forces the best in the world. fox chief national correspondent jennifer griffin joins us now with details. question i've been coming to the reagan national defense form nam here at the reagan library and it simi valley, california since a start in 2013 the biggest change from my point of view it's a shift in the perception of china. this should the annual reagan national defense survey found more than half of all americans nauvoo china as the country's greatest threat. the other change took place in silicon valley 10 years ago those tech innovators would not touch a contract with the pentagon it was most of the prime contractors like martin and at rayt raytheon and otherse to the form. now that it's all change i talk to some of the nations leading tech innovators about what is driving this cataclysmic shift appeared. >> it is effectively a drone that holds itself down into this tube. i can melt this tube on a helicopter, on a truck, on a boat, or even carry it around for a push a button and this would drone is ejected out of the tube. >> he favors hawaiian shirts over camouflage. the california college dropout made his first billion dollars at age 21 deciding virtual reality headsets for gamers now he makes weapons for the pentagon. >> is 19 years old living in a camper trailer putting myself through school. >> it was his experience in china getting fired by facebook that made him shift gears and start building weapons to fend off china in the future. >> re- burned by china? >> we are having ip stolen all of the time we are being spied on all the time progress that he and the small group of silicon valley defense startups are starting to revolutionize the way the pentagon does business. saving the taxpayer money and confronting the world's autocrats. >> want to get people out of working on realty mustache emojis and putting them to work on building autonomous weapons that would keep the united states safe and deter aggression from dictators around the world. >> three years before russia's invasion he met ukraine president zelenskyy in new york to tell him about his company and its century technology which the u.s. government was already using to track illegal migrants coming across the southern border. he wonders if history would have been different if ukraine had had his technology. >> he would have been able to potentially have targeting information for long-range fire screwed stop russia in their tracks. >> to accept russia's invasion, began operating in ukraine. >> without any tools to take the rotors off. i can take the payloads off it. >> i could put this in their backpack. >> event literally mounted in a backpack carry a couple in a backpack brick works now ukraine is using his counter drone technology. >> gretz accelerateshis speeds r hour hens runs into the other drone of bussing into tiny pieces of plastic at cost 100 of the price or less of missiles that have been used to engage drones otherwise. >> the pentagon is taking note learning how the high-tech autonomous systems are changing the battlefield. given ukraine the edge for pennies on the dollar. >> we will be able to spend less money countering russia because of the money we have spent on ukraine burning down the capacity they have had since the days of the soviet union. >> me started in 2017 silicon valley engineers refused to work with the pentagon. thousands of google employee signed a petition to halt a google project maven which would have helped the pentagon analyze drone data. >> imagine if during the cold war if our most innovative technology companies had to do whatever it would keep soviet russia happy and therefore refused to work on national security problems. we would not have silicon valley. we would not have a tech industry pickwick silicon valley rebuffed the pentagon for one simple reason. >> they need to keep the chinese coming up party happy they were dependent on them for manufacturing in china. >> in 2016 former defense secretary card it began to woo silicon valley. two years ago catherine boyle joined other venture capitalists at andrew's and horowitz they committed $5 million earlier this year to new companies that support the national interest. >> you have the war in ukraine. for a lot of these founders they were not born on september 11, 2000 when this was the first time they'd really seen a land war in europe it was a wake-up call that defense is incredibly important and we need to invest in it because she dubbed the movement american dynamism. >> it's a technology movement it's companies that are being built in support of the national interest. our greatest technologist at places like google are not going to work on this problem we have to create companies that will pickwick she was one of her first investments. >> we can make a world where we have an unfair advantage for the countries who believe in self-determination and democracy building technologies that accrue benefits to these democratic self governing nation's pickwick food cannot stop the russian invasion they hope to stop china from taking taiwan. >> a lot of firms bet on the wrong country they are recognizing that now. >> is it cool to be patriotic now? >> isin the cold to be patrioti? it's always been cool to be contrary in. i think right now spin contrary into be patriotic but look what's happening in ukraine put look at what is happened in israel. look at what is brewing in taiwan. if you want to stop russia, china, anyone else from traveling on the rights of these democratic nations turned to stop them from murdering civilians you have to get involved well ahead of the invasion. >> jennifer griffin fox news. shannon: that's it for today thank you for joining us for a state of defense special live here at the ronald reagan presidential library and museum. i am at shannon bream have a wonderful week and we will see you next "fox news sunday." to church. see you next weekend. rachel: bye with, everybody. merry christmas. ♪ ♪ maria: good sunday morning,

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