paul: welcome to the journal editorial report. florida governor ron desantis and gavin newsom squared off at a fiery debate in a battle between red and blue state policies with them clashing over everything from abortion to covid lockdowns to the biden/harris agenda. >> california represents the biden/'s harris agenda on steroids. they would love to get four years to take the california model. >> ron desantis signed the most a stream antiabortion bills in america. he signed a bill banning any exceptions for rape and incest and then he said it didn't go far enough and decided to sign a 6 week band. >> i had disney open during covid. we saved a lot of jobs. you had disney closed for over a year. you were not following science. you are a lockdown governor. >> you are trolling folks and trying to find migrants to play political games to get some attention to out trump trump. how is that going for you? paul: joining us is dan heninger and kyle peterson. what did we learn? how do they govern their states? >> one of the main things we learned is gavin newsom has been doing a shadow campaign despite denials, he sees himself as plan b. i have to say, didn't come across to me is the obvious alternative to president biden. i didn't think -- he was okay but he was just not that strong. he's unflappable, makes arguments but didn't come across that strong. ron desantis, his goal was to show that he's a fighter. they had different audiences. desantis is trying to appeal to republicans showing i will speak for you, i will fight for you, i will never step back. this is an argument for the presidential primaries. once they stop talking over each other in 20 minutes, desantis did a pretty good job presenting his case, why he was a conservative governor in california and making the case that california is a state with a lot of describable problems. paul: desantis was arguing facts about the state of florida. jobs and educal kinds of statistics that show that is why people are coming. newsom focused on the cultural hot button issues like abortion, immigration, lgbt q issues. >> he was also talking to a different audience. i do still think he plans to run or be waiting in case biden stumbles. >> this wasn't an audition for 2028. >> california has problems there is no way he could be a viable contender in 2028. once he's out of office. he realizes the economic issues desantis presented and sean hannity did, those don't play to his advantage. he had to go to agricultural issues. paul: do you think ron desantis helped him with primary voters? here got a chance to go mono a mono with a prominent democrat. >> is the introvert versus the newsom extrovert but he is pretty good and as you say he was obviously prepared. he had come with statistics. he loves digging into the data, looking at the covid stat and trying to formulate policy. that's how he has been as governor, and this one on one format, digs into those issues that's difficult to do in republik and primary debates, more than a handful of people on the stage. that something that's interesting to watch in the coming the debate, because maybe a more narrow field may get run desantis an opportunity for republican primary voters that he got in the newsom debate that he's not gotten in the 2024 primary campaign. paul: people wrote this was a preview of 2028, desantis versus nurse them, neither one will be the candidate this year. do you think they will give voters any sense? as a country, we would be better off with these two men or somebody like them, younger and vigorous as the nominees in the debate about the direction of the country rather than president biden who will be on about is he fit or too old and donald trump, fighting about did i win or lose in 2020? 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>> they responded four times. the fact is not the number of times. very livid strikes. secretary austin went out of his way to underscore these are limited, not connected to the war between israel and hamas. from my understanding, it was mostly the dead of night when they dropped us bombs and a few garbage cans. if they are not going to respond and fundamentally kill those attacking you, iran's supreme leader will mobilize his proxies against us. paul: given how few those responses have been in the nature of them it sounds almost as if they are made by the administration not to do much damage but to respond to us critics and say we are doing something. is that a fair reading or is it cynical? >> don't think you can be too cynical. and x-ray nice press release but the administration fears that any escalation against iran and its proxies will lead to uranian escalation. 45 years of history shows american strength, the regime backed down because there's nothing they fear more than american power, he understands we are the only power on earth that can take down his regime. paul: the administration's responses hezbollah has not escalated since october 7th. there have been some attacks, some steady, small-scale attacks but this hasn't been the big explosion you could get out of hezbollah. our strategy is working. what is your response to that? >> israel wants that escalation against hezbollah which is two divisions of the revolutionary guard, living in their homes and north of israel have been cleared out because they are afraid to go back because they are worried what might happen to their southern neighbors, hezbollah terrorists kill israelis in their bed. our ally israel is itching to go after hezbollah. the biden administration is warning israel that if they do, they will start military resupply in order to de-escalate on the northern border but you leave hezbollah standing and the threat will remain severe against israel going forward and the escalation will be worse next time. paul: the administration, in your view, has not been enforcing oil sanctions to china. not even since october 7th? >> not at all. oil is flowing. millions are flowing into the coffers of the regime. people say you can't do this against china. the obama administration actually stopped almost entirely uranian oil sales, chinese banks and chinese refineries if they bought uranian oil they would be sanctioned, two administrations, the ability to enforce sanctions and stop the flow of oil. they are using those to buy off the irani in this, not to escalate, the irani in this are escalating and getting closer to nuclear weapons. paul: thanks for coming in. lawmakers scramble to approve more aid to israel and ukraine. republican demands for border funding and democratic calls for conditions on israel scuttle the deal. urance with liberty mutual.” he hits his mark —center stage— and is crushed by a baby grand piano. are you replacing me? 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>> strict measures. the basics is both parties have a problem. democrats have a problem with unconditional is really aid and a big chunk of the republican party doesn't want ukraine aid. a big problem, mcconnell told biden in a phone call that he would have to do something real on the border. some measure regarding parole. to get republican votes. it is an open question. paul: what do they want in terms of negotiation. >> there are changes or limitations, the biden administration has been using his authority to release anyone who is apprehended at the border into the us. it is a role authority. 1.5 million were released in the last year. they also want a reinstatement of a trump administration role that would require anyone seeking asylum to seek asylum in 1/3 safe country like mexico or canada. other things in hr 2 that were mentioned, those are not essential to negotiations. they are focusing more on the test for initial -- paul: you have to reach the credible fear standard, some people think that's too low. >> the goal is to fix some of the problems at the border, realizing get they will pass more solutions or regulations. paul: for the democrats if you ask politically, you've got a problem on the border. he is running into trouble on his left. >> i agree with you. i don't understand where they are coming from. in chicago and new york city over migrants. they are ready to run mayor johnson out of town. but the left is intractable. they don't want to bend. the aid bill will run into the same problem over aid to israel. you got the left and the center and in the house, doug in on putting conditions on israel, coming out in favor of the palestinians, very possible the democrats are the ones who will hold this entire bill over the border and conditions for israel. paul: say biden concedes to the things being described, so we don't have everything in the immigration bill, could they scuttle this and what does it say? >> they couldn't get everything they want to. chuck grassley told house republicans don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good. get something substantive and build from there. we want to get what we want, republican majorities with one house of congress. you can't get everything you want. we should have learned that lesson many times over. paul: that suggests to me they would rather have the issue of immigration. >> we set that in the trump administration when they tried to negotiate a compromise, and the compromise was scuttled by steve miller, donald trump's immigration advisor and they want to use this as an issue to bludgeon democrats in the election. this lesson in 2026. paul: if this whole thing collapses and ukraine doesn't it aid and putin advances, a catastrophe. >> the united states gets the blame, a war going on in israel and ukraine and both of those sides begin losing, the us -- paul: is relapse war against hamas is the latest issue to define mainstream democrats from the radical left. election. heading into t ement. the second best? 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>> we looked at the evolving political landscape, the rise of the population, the rise of realignment of professionals, changes in the patterns of women and how they voted, in growing areas of the country and how they are moving to the democrats, that added up to potential advantage for the democrats when they stuck to a philosophy of progressive centrism we thought was close to where the country was evolving but we had an important caveat which was the white working class is a segment of the voting electorate. still holding up pretty well, they started to deteriorate for democrats, all bets are off in terms of this majority and that happened in the next decade culminating with the election of donald trump. in 2016 our basic take is instead of democrats becoming a fairly standard dominant majority we see a seesaw between the parties, where no party is secure at all and things are closely divided. paul: you read about the new shadow party. describe what it is and what the shadow party wants from democrats. >> the shadow party, nonprofit organizations, the infrastructure of the party, good chunks of legacy media which seem to be singing from the same hymnbook in terms of pushing democrats in a certain direction and exerting influence over the priorities of the party and how its brand is perceived by the public and the shadow party moved in the direction we argue in the book can be characterized as cultural radicalism initiative immigration, crime, gender ideology, even on the climate things have become culture rise to between the priority, what we might call the media and ranking class voters, more moderate on a lot of these issues. >> is it on the whim of the democratic party because when i think of the old democratic party i think of labor unions, trial lawyers and environmental groups, the white working class and the minority working class. >> one thing is the decline of the labor movement, that's central to the democrats losing the working-class anchor that kept them more culturally moderate. at the end of the twentieth century it hasn't gotten better in this century and the shadow party does have enormous influence. they don't have the numbers. a lot of people vote for democrats, in terms of the party and its institutions that influence, the way i think of it, the shadow party controls culture production in this country. that is about the dialogue in this country and how it is perceived by ordinary voters and how democrats set their priorities. this, we argue in the book sets a ceiling on democrats support. doesn't mean they can't win elections. a lot of their newer voters, college-educated liberal voters are determined to turn out in every election and vote for what they feel is the right thing where republicans have so many working-class voters less likely to turnout it gives the democrats turnout advantage. that played in their favor the last couple elections. paul: one of the things you've written about is the working-class movement shift away from the democrats is taking place among hispanics and black voters particularly younger men. is that a trend you see becoming greater into moving faster? 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>> it is involved in grassroots but a shot in the arm, big name donors, starting to draw more attention to the wall street crowd. dropping more support. paul: she doesn't have much grassroots in iowa. they could help that. >> she's been doing better in new hampshire, especially iowa. this will help you get around games. paul: in iowa desantis picked up some endorsements, the governor is popular and doing a good job working get. the voting base for republicans is evangelicals. desantis needs that. >> i think so. that was the group that mike pence and tim scott were going after, constant references of the evangelical vote and that is probably the reason desantis has held a hard line on abortion as he has, distancing himself from nikki haley on that point. both of them have to show at least in iowa and new hampshire they can come close to donald trump. they haven't closed the gap and desantis going to all 99 counties in iowa and it is a do or die for him. he's got to play second. paul: next week's debate will feature haley versus desantis. there's peril for them and here is. they will be tempted to go after one another and it has been the said instead of making the case for voters, they are destroying each other and some voters might be turned off. >> it was a debate -- the debates look like a slideshow. desantis is stronger for reasons mentioned but way behind trump. i feel like evaluating their chances, down with three minutes to pull away. two point conversions and field-goal, possible. not likely. paul: they should train their fire on biden? >> haley has been good at being uncritical in giving a response right away. desantis's weakness, he's a great governor, he has been strong on red/blue issues on his record and you saw that in the debate with newsom but when he's asked a question that impinges on trump like pence's role on january 6th or ukraine aid he equivocate, comes up with a position no one really buys. that really hurt. compared to haley who has been good on the rhetoric. let's turn to obamacare, donald trump read one of our editorials and decided to make a truth social post, terminate obamacare, the biden administration jumped on that and have been running press release after press release after statement since. what do you make of that? was that a wise move by trump? >> a typical trump move, he impetuously response without providing any kind of thought behind it. paul: he has no plan on healthcare. >> that the rate. he doesn't. he suggests i will replace it with a, quote, better plan. we've endorsed healthcare, it suggests that we are worse than socialized countries and that's not true but it was just a gift to biden and democrat who ran on this issue successfully in 2018 and again in 2020 and would like to do it in 2024. paul: on obamacare republicans should fight on healthcare but there is nobody in the party thinking about it. >> you can imagine the white house have been dying for something to replace bidenomics, it's killing them. along comes donald trump, let's talk about obamacare and the conversation shifts to the. it was truly a gift to the white house. paul: when we come back, thousands of auto dealerships put the brakes on the electric vehicle mandate as cars pile up on lots across the country. frm unlimited card. earning on my favorite soup. aaaaaah. got it. earning on that éclair. don't touch it, don't touch it yet. let me get the big one. nope. -this one? 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>> they are not selling because people don't seem to want them and this is a distinction with cheslers that have become a status symbol but you've got to feel for these other dealers, the automakers are being pushed to dealer lots and they are having trouble getting consumers to take them up. it is not fully baked yet. consumers are worry about rage anxiety, the worry that the ranges are going to go down, extremely hot or cold weather, the reliability of these charging stations, look around the press, they had to bear that out, they are having trouble getting 40% to work. they give a little more time, to force the consumer change. paul: when customers don't purchase something, they make fewer things. they start making the cars they are not buying. in this case they are obliged to make the electric vehicles, explain that to me. >> they are in the transportation department, and there's a steep ramp up and a pole, eb sales, all of those are totals. and that is how tesla is making a lot of money. to these other automakers. paul: this is ridiculous. what is the way out here. >> the automakers praying that they succeed. >> another way out would be -- paul: put a stop to it. is this going to be a significant issue in the 24 election. people don't like to be told to purchase something they don't want. >> it was a liberal progressive crackup, transfer payments with general population pace, emission controls, utilities responsible for that. these evs have a price tag and the price tag is turning out to be too high and the democrats literally mandated people would have to purchase these things and they are pulling back and there's going to be a political reaction looking for someone to blame and it has got to be the democrats because this is their policy. paul: any chance the administration will heed the warning? hundred dealerships is a lot of people. >> it is, but i'm skeptical because president biden has been unwilling a lot of places to front the progressive left, government seems interested in throwing money at this problem. interesting report in politico, congress appropriated $7.5 billion in 2021, a network of nationwide electric charging stations. something president biden promised on the campaign trail in 2020, two years later, 0 have been built, some money has been approved for states but it could be next year before these things get operational. that's your tax dollars at work. paul: they will bailout the auto companies. when we come back, hit and misses of the week. remember the pain? cancelled plans? the worry? that was then. and look at me now. you'll never truly forget migraine. but qulipta® reduces attacks, making zero-migraine days possible. it's the only pill of its kind that blocks cgrp - and is approved to prevent migraine of any frequency. to help give you that forget-you-get migraine feeling. don't take if allergic to qulipta®. most common side effects are nausea, constipation, and sleepiness. learn how abbvie could help you save. qulipta®. the forget-you-get migraine medicine™. ♪ i'm gonna hold you forever... ♪ ♪ i'll be there... ♪ ♪ you don't... ♪ ♪ you don't have to worry... ♪ harry and david is small batch, gourmet, and delicious. so of course, they run out fast. whether you want to say thank you, i love you, or just happy holidays. send something special, beautiful, and delicious. order your harry and david favorites now before they're gone. time now for hits and misses of the week. bill. >> hit for the funeral of the former first lady rosalynn carter, something out of the rockwell. the funeral was held in plains, georgia where they were born, lived most of their lives and grew up together. the president made an appearance despite being in hospice care. jimmy carter is 99 years old. rosalynn carter was 96 and they were married 77 years. it was for the entire country. >> kyle. >> hit to democratic leader chuck schumer for 40 minutes beach this week on rising anti-semitism. he said jewish americans are 2% of the u.s. population they are targeted and 55% of religious based hate crimes tracked by the fbi and went to his family's history and eastern europe and explain why jewish americans defend israel as a refuge. he said he felt compelled to speak out as the highest ranking elected official of jewish american in u.s. history and also important saying it is a prominent democrat inside the party that has a deep divide over israel. >> this is a missed to the new york city housing authority spending $176,000 for each apartment in public housing with electric pumps to reduce carbon emissions all the while tenants complain about rats, hold, lead contaminated water, emblematic of why new york city's broke and broken. >> not to mention permits. >> we give a bit last weekend to the impending lighting of the rockefeller christmas tree but we issued a warning it was possible the city's full-time in the israel protesters might try to correct the event. that's exactly what they did marching on rockefeller center yelling from the ocean to the seat which translates to the destruction of israel so they get a monumental miss but a hit to the new york city cops who protected the tree from people getting too close to it preventing a catastrophe. >> my hit this week is to henry kinzinger, former secretary of state and statesman who died this week at age of 100. richard nixon in the 70s, kinzinger remade the world order withdrawing u.s. from vietnam with honor at least until congress cut off him. he negotiated and managed another war in the middle east that kept the soviets out about 40 years and he negotiated an opening to china that broke the country away from the soviet orbit, a giant statecraft and american patriot who will be missed. that's it for this week's show, thanks to my panel and all of you for watching, i am paul gigot, we hope to see you here next week. ♪ ♪ >> the top republican presidential p

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