and more in some cases. but whatever i can do to help with regard to speaker. i'm also leading biden by a lot. if i wasn't i wouldn't have trials like this. thank you very much. >> how is melania, mr. president? you are going through a lot. >> bill: there you go, last question about the former first lady, right? >> martha: we were talking as he came out. i hope someone asks him about the speaker question because his name gets getting floated for that. i would say based on the comments he made they should take him off that list. he is focused on running for president. 40 to 50 points ahead. i don't know why anybody wants to run into the buzz saw of speaker of the house. not a productive place to be at the moment. he kind of brushed that idea off. >> bill: martha maccallum, bill hemmer. andy mccarthy joins us now. former u.s. district attorney. you wrote this week with trump already found guilty his new york fraud trial begins. you say the boll show vick block of the democratic party is having its fantasy prosecution of donald trump play out in real life. take it from there. >> well, i think what we're seeing now is mainly political theater because what makes a trial a trial, and what gives a legal proceeding prestige and decorum is the idea that the judge is projecting scrupulousness, that the proceeding is going to be fair and we'll see what the outcome is at the end. trump is told on the eve of trial that he has lost and what the next 2 to 3 months are about is how much letitia james, the attorney general of new york state, will be able to run up the score in terms of whether she will be able to get a $250 million disgeorgement penalty against trump. he doesn't really have any incentive to behave himself and treat it like it's a legal proceeding because in every important way it is now politics. i think legally where he is at at this point, that will be up to the appeals courts later on based on whatever legal points he can raise at that time. his immediate need is the electoral calendar and the fact that this proceeding is being used to damage him politically so he is fighting it like a political fight rather than a legal one. >> martha: every time letitia james comes out she talks about powerful and rich but not about the fact that anybody was wronged in this case. so when you go to get loans from banks and you have deals with insurance companies, you say it's worth x and they say it is worth y and you have this back and forth. these banks and insurance companies don't walk into these deals and gee whatever you say it's worth we'll believe you. they have to do their own fiduciary responsibility to their investors. does this case a, does it make any sense to you first of all? and then another question about the judge. >> well, it makes sense to me, martha, in this sense. i don't think it is right for people to embellish the value of their assets even if there are fail saves in the transaction where you would expect the other side to do its own due diligence. that doesn't make it right for me, if they can prove this, to intentionally exaggerate. >> martha: i put my house on the market and say it's worth $1 hundred thousand. the buyer says it's worth $70,000 and we find somewhere in the middle where we meet. there is some subjectivity to this question, no? >> martha, when i was in the u.s. attorneys office years ago i did accounting fraud cases and really taken aback by how different it is from the normal criminal case. criminal statutes have to be like black and white so that the average person knows what the crime is and is on notice about that. but when you get to these accounting cases where it is generally accepted accounting principles there is more gray area than anything like black and white. even if you read the judge's opinion in this case where he is saying that trump exaggerated, you know, some of his assets by 300% and 4 hundred hundred and 500% he says the auditors or appraisers say it's worth 114 and $220 million. there is a lot of room between those two amounts. if that's what an appraiser idea of exactty toot is. the fail safe is the other side knows its bread and butter is it has to appraise and do its own due diligence. >> bill: the banks did business with him because though knew they would get paid back. "washington post" writes this. does the new york fraud against trump go too far? not allowing trump to evade responsibility civil or criminal for his behavior but also entails not treating trump more harshly than any re anyone else in similar circumstances and i worry that's what is happening here. how possible is that line of logic there? >> i think it's entirely logical and goes to the point that martha was just making. what i wanted to say in conclusion with respect to that is that the issue here isn't that it's a good thing to exaggerate your assets knowingly. it is what should be the penalty for that? it is a tentative western law that the punishment is supposed to fit the crime. and if you want to tell me that trump should get fined a couple million dollars for e acknowledge rating his assets i wouldn't have a problem. if you want to tell me they should ruin a 2 to 300 billion reals state empire and regards as an iconic business before trump became a political enemy of democrats and now they are trying to ruin this guy over this? i think that's way, way out of whack. >> martha: just want to sneak in one more questions. judge engoron said that letitia james should bring the case against trump because he is just a bad guy. that's what you do against -- you try to get the bad guys in her position. how does that not prejudice this judge in this case? >> well, i think it does, martha. the problem is in new york, you have an elected judicial system. you have an elected district attorney who ran for office telling constituents she was going to use her power against trump and you have elected judges who get to be elected judges because they are loyal democrats for years and then they get put on a slate of candidates where they get elected basically without opposition. and they call that a judicial system. so when that is the premise of the system, it is hard for any individual act of abuse or out rage to be that out of whack with everything else. i think the whole system is rigged. >> martha: then you have to count on the integrity of the people in it. they do have that political advantage. they have to be -- bend over backwards to be fair. >> bill: i think you nailed it, andy. if the judge found him guilty what's the appropriate penalty? your last line. as the rolling stones say go ahead and bite the big apple, don't mind the maggots. andy, we'll talk tomorrow. thank you for your time. >> martha: the case everybody is watching. jury selection is continuing in the fraud trial of ftx founder sam bankman-fried. prosecutors gearing up to follow the money or the bitcoin wherever it goes trying to connect the dots between top democratic donors and the dnc. that's part of this case. kelly o'grady is live covering it for us in new york city. hi, kelly. >> hi, good to see you, martha. -- ftx played out public liang on social media. how ftx used customer funds. they donated $40 million to democrats and seen as a straw man for further democratic donations to funnel over $24 million to republicans. i will highlight only george soros gave more to liberal politicians in the mid-terms than sam bankman-fried and a new book out profiling him reportedly the crypto king sought to fund mid-term senate candidates to beat out those aligned with trump and even considered paying trump directly to sit out the 2020 election. prosecutors will allegedly use that funneling of money as evidence to bolster their fraud charges. we expect a slew of communications, text messages and money trail that will help connect the dots to d.c. back to you. >> martha: thank you, kelly o'grady in manhattan. >> the days of just top down leadership in washington i believe those days are over. but this is not going to be the prettiest picture for everybody to see. the republic as it stands is what will flourish going forward. >> bill: byron donalds spoke with us last hour. kevin mccarthy is out of a job as speaker leaving the path for his replacement wide open. right now republicans plan to hold a closed candidate forum five days from now. next tuesday with a possible floor vote maybe on wednesday of next week. whoever they choose they need backing from some of those eight republicans who voted to oust mccarthy. they did so with the unanimous support of democrats. what a team. griff jenkins tracking it all every twist and turn looks ahead now at what we expect to happen next there. griff, good morning to you on the hill. >> good morning, bill. those twists and turns are puzzling those of us up on capitol hill because just seconds ago behind me in this position just off the house floor the speaker mchenry walked behind us with press saying what are you doing here? unclear what he is doing other than occupying speaker mccarthy's vacant office and trying to meet. because the house is in recess. most members have gone home. we're in uncharted territory here unclear about exactly what's happening and what mchenry may be doing. shortly after getting the boot kevin mccarthy taking to the microphones saying he has no regrets about what happened. watch. >> doing the right thing isn't always easy but it is necessary. i don't regret standing up for choosing government over grievance. it is my responsibility, it is my job. i do not regret negotiating. our government is designed to find compromise. >> he says he won't run for speaker again. here are the people that bounced him. you break it, you buy it. these eight now own it. they were led by matt gaetz in that effort rebellion. a little bit of what he had to say. >> i'm not here to make a judgment on where mr. scalise stands with his rehabilitation and recovery. he would be the type of person i could see myself supporting. many people i could see myself supporting. tom emmer, mike johnson of louisiana, jody arrington of texas and kevin hearn of oklahoma. >> the only thing that is clear we're in for a period of deep division among the gop. you are looking at scalise that was mentioned. perhaps the frontrunner along with tom emmer, alease stephanopoulos and johnson and jordan on that list. we'll find out what is happening. the real challenge, whoever they end up choosing, bill, is that there is a november 17th deadline for the government to run out of money again and it is highly unclear that there would be anything different this go around and with that one-man trigger to oust power. things are very much in uncharted territory as you mentioned before, bill. send it back to you. >> bill: we'll read the tea leaves as we go. back to lower manhattan. the judge has allowed cameras to go back in the courtroom for the third day in a row in the former president's case. we have the shot coming up right now. he wore a red tie or blue tie? today back to a red tie. >> easy to get dressed in the morning with the former president. >> bill: it looks like -- the photographer left the courtroom so that's what you are seeing right now. well rerack it for you. >> martha: interesting the way they'll doing it. no cameras in the courtroom. oh just a little camera and aimed right at trump sitting at that table with all his attorneys and then they say okay now we're done and you are out of here. >> bill: a shot of the judge on monday. the president was asked about this whole speaker of the house thing. a couple of people have floated his name. as he was going into court today he was asked about that. i believe we got it. roll it. this is what he said. >> i'll do whatever it is to help. my focus, my total focus is being president and honestly making america great again. we're living in a country in decline. >> bill: i take it that's a no of today and maybe forever. >> martha: i would think so. see where it goes. using these opportunities to campaign because all these court dates are keeping him from the campaign trail. so he is getting some of his big points out there as he heads in for another day at work, which is going to court for him on many days. >> bill: one is time for the iowa caucus and the monday before super tuesday. >> martha: president biden is handing out another $9 billion in student debt relief. this is a huge issue for the president. it polls well for him giving people back their student debt money. so he will go at it a second time try to forgive student loans on a wide scale. >> bill: see how it works out. members of congress and the white house calling on the nba to ban the sale of merchandise made by forced labor in china. ens cantor freedom has been part of this story for a long time. he is coming up. my most important kitchen tool? 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>> bill: points from maccallum. i don't know if we'll see the judge. we did on monday. not so sure we did yesterday. and if that's the case i'm left the question why? that's not conclusive. let's give it a moment. we'll give it a beat and see whether or not the photographer takes in the entire room. photographers, there is letitia james as she sits in the same spot where she was on monday at that point staring right at the defendant in this case, the former president, donald trump. so that is -- i'm just very curious to know. there we go, okay. no one is off limits. that's what we wanted to establish here. when the cameras come in they can take pictures of anyone inside that courtroom and just wanted to share that with you. all right, 22 past now. biden administration approving yet another $9 billion for student loan relief as the president marks a second push for widespread debt cancellation. edward lawrence, fox business, watching this from the white house, here we go again, edward, good morning. >> what we're seeing is really a public relations campaign. the white house in releasing this trying to reach the younger voters which the president is not connecting to according to polls. you mentioned $9 billion has been announced to be released or forgiven under student debt changes that have already been made to those plans. making the total forgiveness at $127 billion. sounds like a big number but only 1.6% of the $1.75 trillion in total outstanding student loan debt, an extremely small part. a lawyer suing student loan forgiveness plan. >> these funds are money belonging to the u.s. treasury. these loans are assets of the u.s. treasury and the constitution is very clear that only congress gets to spend money that belongs to the u.s. government. and it has to be something that congress does to solve this problem. >> former students are back to paying for their student loans. the average payments between $2 hundred and $3 hundred a month according to the federal reserve. some people could not plan, though, for the expense of that coming back with inflated prices under president biden. >> so actually the consumer is getting more and more leverage. debt has increased. defaults have increased. the student loans are going to come due. it isn't looking great, frankly. for retailers who sell product for the holiday season. >> so the president and white house trying to turn around the poll numbers especially when it comes to the economy. >> bill: thank you, we'll see whether or not it works. edward lawrence from the north lawn. thank you. >> new yorkers are going to start to see visibly that what being out of room means. we are out of room. >> martha: out of room. it is evidenced on the streets of manhattan. mayor eric adams just short of begging migrants to stop entering new york city as the city's shelters cannot keep up with the 800 migrants arriving daily. he is heading to mexico to find the source of what is going on and speak to people there and spread his message that people shouldn't come because they can't help them in the facilities that they have here. so will they listen is one of the questions when they see five star hotel housing and employment in the big apple in many cases. "fox & friends" first and fox news radio host kennedy and carley shimkus. carley, start with you. do you give the mayor credit for going down there? >> yes, i do to a certain extent. i think we all need to pause to think about the gravity of the situation, the mayor of new york city personally traveling to mexico, columbia, ecuador and darian gap. to hand deliver the message we do not have room. do not come to my city. but then his actions don't match his words. he told reporters yesterday we believe the border should remain open. that's the official position of the city. so it's like he is turning his brain into a pretzel trying to come up with a policy position when he should be saying we need to close the border, we are out of room. >> martha: he has said that in the past. >> bill: i don't know if he had a conversation with the president. the president was here for four days. don't think they talked. new york's lack of leadership is turning the empire state into the flop of the heap. in central america that's the root causes, right? maybe he should have asked whether the white house -- >> i think he should press the vice president on the root causes. she has had plenty of time to contemplate them. enough of the academic pondering. they have to come up with some policy changes and some solutions for this. my worry is not necessarily the people coming here. i think they want to work, all the resources going to them are being taken away from mentally ill drug addicts and violent and not properly incarcerated when they hurt people. those are the kind of people that are tons of tax dollars should be going to help. they are the last people to receive help and they will be lower on the list. >> bill: there was a town hall in chicago that we played last hour. it was stunning. woman after woman got up and said exactly that same thing. >> martha: you think about eric adams. before this started exploding, this situation. he had a new policy to take mentally ill people off the street. police can remove them from the street and put them in the hospital. how could they possibly hope to do that? you see this poor man stabbed to death in brooklyn by someone who is obviously crazy. i don't think he was after his wallet. ran up to this person and stabbed him. >> there are so many different issues when it comes to funding, space, national security. all wrapped up in this. going back to the messaging thing. it is very interesting to hear what lawmakers in new york are saying now versus what they were saying a few years ago. governor hochul saying in 2021 our message to the world is send the people out there who need to be cloaked in comfort. send them our way. then just a few days ago she said our message is now we're at capacity. >> bill: listen, ladies, it would not be a day unless we talked about taylor swift. on a lighter note now. there is a theory going on out there that taylor swift is going to these nfl games with the jets to detract from her use of a private jet. not my theory, okay? the headline. did swifty attend a game to -- she flies around a lot and doesn't want it to be the google. >> search engine optimization. if you have the money and resources to change the search then instead of people if you put in taylor swift jet or jets her trips to the new york jets came comes up instead of her use of private jets which she is earning billions of dollars for all sorts of businesses across the country and soon to be around the world with her concerts where people are fully engaged and spending lots of cash. she wants to fly on a private jet. have at it. have a great time. >> bill: i don't know if it's true or not. we had to laugh. >> conspiracy theory. play the record backwards and it will give a different message. >> bill: thank you. the summer of strikes has turned now into the autumn of strikes. tens of thousands of healthcare workers walking the line. kevin mccarthy is out of a job and ken buck voted against him. he makes his case live come up next. >> 4% decided they were so morally superior, so intellectual pure and patriotically better that they would side with the democrats. 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(gentle music) >> bill: 10:35. a live look now at eagle pass in texas. our drone is up in the air again and this picture hasn't gotten better. we've watched this now for ten days. the state of texas has put that barbed wire down to block migrants or dissuade them from crossing the rio grande river. mildly successful. every time you see this, you get a backup on the banks of that river and the white house puts a phone call in to border patrol and they cut that wire and then you see the line move. >> martha: it is so crazy. the battle between the leadership of texas on the white house and people in texas largely have to deal with it. 100,000 in new york is just a very small number compared to what they have had to deal with in texas. it is an astonishingly botched, chaotic situation and all these children brought here by human traffickers and the cartels. they are in charge of the operation. >> bill: the federal government repeatedly challenges the state of texas when they try to impede those passing into the u.s. the drone in eagle pass, texas. >> this morning we'll have more conversations, different parts of the republican conference. i think we'll be able to come together quickly, have a new leader and then go ahead and anoint a new speaker and do our business. >> martha: that was byron donalds last hour as house republicans scramble to rally around the new leader to figure out who that person is going to be after an inprecedented vote to unseat kevin mccarthy, to vacate the speaker and that is what happened last night. the first time in american history. it was largely orchestrated by matt gaetz and he was able to get eight members of the g.o.p. they only have a four-seat margin in the g.o.p. very thin. they joined him with a final tally of 2010 and 216. ken buck is here. given the numbers, right, the way that this was pulled off was by you folks voting alongside the democrats in the house in order to get this done. how does that sit with you? obviously, you know, kevin mccarthy said the republicans can't function this way if every time someone gets disgruntled they can throw their hat in the ring with all the democrats and basically shut down the republican agenda. >> it is rich that kevin mccarthy would suggest that conservatives like me and andy biggs and matt gaetz are working with the democrats on something when he needed to pass a debt ceiling bill, he went to president biden, agreed to a number that was $2 hundred billion more than he promised the republican conference and relied on democrats to pass that debt ceiling bill. when we were nearing a shutdown, he lost 90 votes from the republican conference because the bill was so terrible and he relied on democrats the pass the bill. there were eight republicans fed up and dozens more who would have voted for this but didn't need to. they didn't need to stick out their necks out. some of us felt so strongly about spending and the irresponsibility of having $36 trillion of debt at the end of next year based on the deal that kevin mccarthy cut that we stood up and did something about it. >> martha: their plan was continue to go through the appropriations bill over the course of the next several weeks and break them down and get them done. he has a very tough situation. he had a tough situation. the numbers are such that it's hard to get real spending cuts across the table. you have to have the senate and the house in order to get that kind of leverage. the "new york post" this morning is indicative of several editorials out there, i say stephen miller with language last night. a staggering act of stupidity and self-destruction. given that this is all everyone is talking about whether cutting spending in d.c. or ukraine spending. do you think it is a good move? what is your plan? what will you do next? >> it was a necessary move and a good move. the idea we were going to start dealing with appropriations bills, we knew september 30th was on the call el dar. we could have passed appropriations bills in june and july. could have stayed here in august and done those. but nope, we don't pass appropriations bills until the week before the shutdown was imminent. we passed three during that week. then we have the shutdown hanging over our head so we had to cut a deal with the democrats to get more spending. not less spending, more spending than we had even this past year. >> martha: a lot of people are sympathetic to that and would like to see some regular order. can you tell them why it doesn't happen? i've covered too many of these shutdowns and it does always come to the last minute. why didn't that happen? why weren't you working on these bills throughout the summer? >> a simple reason for it. the special interest groups in washington, d.c. want to make sure that the speaker and the leader in the senate write the appropriations bill. they want an omnibus bill passed christmas eve to throw everything into it. we get the omnibus bills, a single spending bill as opposed to the 12 spending bills we break the government down into. we get that 3400 page bill the night before we have to vote on it in the morning. so we'll get it at 9:00 at night and vote on it at 9:00 in the morning . all the secret spending they want is contained in that. they don't want transparency with 12 appropriations bills. >> martha: representative jordan has confirmed that he will run for speaker. who is the person that you support to be the speaker? how quickly can it happen? and how can you convince the rest of the listeners and your party that something is going to change under one of these new leaders? >> first of all, i don't know who all is running at this point. people are starting to announce today and starting to make phone calls and talk to folks. i'm not ready to announce who i am supporting right now. i'm confident that on tuesday evening, wednesday morning we will have a speaker. we will start putting appropriations bills back on the floor and be in a position where the house appropriations bill will be conservative. the senate appropriations bill will be liberal and a much higher top line and that's when the compromise happens and when the negotiation starts. >> martha: congressman ken buck one of the eight who voted to oust kevin mccarthy yesterday. something we've never seen before. why is everybody going home when you are in the middle of this very important situation, can you tell me that? >> i cannot tell you that. patrick mchenry was named and slammed the gavel down and we got a notice soon after that we weren't going to reconvene until tuesday. i'm here, i will stay here and do my very best to work through this. >> martha: unbelievable. hard to imagine a company that would succeed if they were in the middle of this kind of crisis and send everybody home. but you are there as you say. thank you for spending time with us this morning. thank you, sir. congressman ken buck from colorado. >> bill: there is more labor unrest. 75,000, the largest healthcare strike in history. workers hitting the picket lines over wages. you have the writers in l.a. auto workers in michigan and now this. >> good morning to you. the workers from kaiser permanente. their demands are simple. they want more pay and better benefits. while this is only a temporary strike. it will only last a few days. they believe it will highlight what they say are real problems in the healthcare industry. in virginia those on strike include pharmacists and optometrists. this is a big strike. it is impacting healthcare for 13 million americans at 39 hospitals nationwide. workers say since the pandemic forced to work longer hours with no better benefits and right now it is unsustainable. >> i've worked through covid. until today. things haven't gotten any better. thinner and thinner, the staffing model is very tight impacting the staff, the work conditions, and our patients at the same time. >> as i mentioned the strike goes well beyond virginia impacting facilities in california, colorado, oregon, washington state. doctors aren't participating but it affects nurses and a lot of people. the company wants to strengthen their position as a best place to work and insure high quality work remains affordable and easy to access. kaiser is taking steps to hire more workers but take some time. just like other businesses nationwide, there is a labor shortage. talking to these workers this morning, the message is they are fed up. bill. >> bill: mark, thank you, mark meredith. more to come on that. day one is just underway. president biden now calling u.s. allies to try and reassure them that the u.s. will continue to support ukraine. the white house scheduled a call with e.u. and nato leaders have a government funding deal had excluded the aid for kiev out of that bill fueling doubts about america's support. retired general jack keane is here. a couple things. i want to get your overall thought about that. john kirby at the white house yesterday during the brief in the q & a. >> can ukraine still defend itself and a risk that russia can retake its initiative in the war? >> well, i mean, to be blunt, to answer your first question is no. >> bill: general, what is your sense about where this debate goes now? >> it's not an immediate crisis in terms of funding because there is over $5 billion that's still available in the coffers, so to speak, because of an accounting error that took place in the pentagon. obviously if this opposition grows and funding is denied we have a challenge. it is not about just helping ukraine get through the war but defeating russia. russia decided to expand into ukraine and expand into europe. that's what we're trying to stop. those who don't want to fund it remind me of the 1930s when hitler was on the march and we didn't want to do anything to help the europeans. here we have an opportunity, bill, to give the ukrainians the weapons to stop and defeat russia and we don't have to give them any troops. if they run over ukraine and defeat it, it's likely our troops will be involved. that's the danger and threat and why we're so concerned about it. >> bill: do you see that as a possibility? american troops? >> look at what putin has said. we didn't take him serious. we dismissed him. he was serious about ukraine from the start. he has said the same thing about the eastern europey an states. he wants them back in the russian federation part of his design of the russian empire. i say after he has made this move into ukraine and given the horror that we've seen unfolding there, that we take this guy seriously. and that's the next step if he is able to take down ukraine. and also he is joined at the hip by who? by president xi, who is watching all this. if the united states coalition is defeated in the sense it is not supporting ukraine to effectively win against russia, that's going to incentivize president xi, why? look. he is posing to this international order in the united states led system and we take a knee and lose to russia. does that incentivize him to do something about taiwan? i think we're here because of afghanistan. >> bill: as i said from the beginning of the war he we elect our leaders to lead us around international crisis. you have to find your way around it. michael turner republican from ohio says there is enough money through december. is that true, general? >> yeah, that's basically true. but obviously the funding will have to continue. listen, if the united states pulls the plug on funding, the europeans, many of our viewers don't understand this, we're providing $44 billion plus in terms of funding to the ukrainians for military equipment. the europeans is $43 billion plus. if we pull the plug on the 44 and they don't get anything more the europeans cannot make that up even though they are providing half of the funding. and that -- (no audio for captioner (( >> martha: lawmakers on both sides of the aisle and the white house calling on the nba to ban products made in chinese labor camps. a bipartisan commission sending a letter to league executives stating nba players shouldn't be subsidizing genocide by wearing gear from chinese sportswear companies with forced labor. enes kanter freedom has been on the forefront of the fight. always good to see you. just tell anybody who is not familiar with your story what you have been doing on this and how it has alienated you from the nba for a long time. >> thank you for having me. i have been -- it is funny, i have been talking about the problems happening for the last ten years and i got nothing but support. i talk about the problems in china and my phone was dinging once every hour and telling me to stop talking. this was the players association where i pay thousands of dollars every month to protect my rights against nba. so when i saw that letter it gave me so much hope because just last year a total of 17 players signed with the chinese shoe brand and that number is growing every day. just recently one of the best players in nba irvin signed with a chinese brand. we have to hold these companies and organizations accountable. so i'm glad that it is a bipartisan effort. it gave me hope. >> martha: can the nba forbid the players from entering into deals like kyrie irving just entered into? >> all of the things that many players care about is just money. i don't think that nba or nbpa will have any effect of it. sad to see how these players. whenever they are problems in america they are the first ones to criticize it but love to go sign with a company who is pretty much using slave labor. it is sad to see. >> martha: i'm thinking back to the black lives matter issues, and what they have worn on their shirts and yet they don't seem to care that uighurs are being taken out of their homes and brought to processing centers and forced into labor and separated from their families. i guess it is too far away. they don't pay attention to it. the issue is money, as you say. >> they all know, trust me, the ongoing genocide and know their shoes and t-shirts and jerseys being made by slave kids with slave labor but they will talk about the problems happening in america because they know it won't hit their pocket. they are too scared to say anything about the chinese government because they have shoe deals and jersey sales and many other things. look at lebron. he became a billionaire? put yourself in their shoes. it breaks my heart we need to keep holding people accountable. >> martha: interesting to see other people pointing out what you are pointing out about kyrie irving and others making millions of dollars from chinese companies. it is a good story to tell and i'm glad you are doing it. thank you for being here today. good to see you, take care. see you soon. >> bill: interesting approach. see whether or not they're successful. before we go, got you something, martha, are you ready? it's the season, halloween decorations so realistic they prompted a visit from the local fire department. check that out. >> martha: what? >> bill: upstate new york. homeowners used led lights and fog machine to make it happen. look at that. first time i've seen this. neighbors thought it was real and called 911. the firefighters showed up and were impressed by the production value, apparently. >> martha: need a sign out front saying this house isn't actually on fire. dear fire department. this is a halloween decoration, wow. >> bill: what you are seeing now is not real. coming up at 3:00 what will you sfl rock-n-roll our? >> we'll talk about the -- reaching out to other folks, jim jordan put his name in the ring. a lot to talk about this afternoon. >> bill: here is harris. bye-bye. >> harris: breaking in

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