the president's post election actions to challenge the results of the election, alleging she is a wide ranging conspiracy. the angle strongly maintains that prosecuting him for what is mostly politically protected speech will not go over well with the american public or on appeal. certainly not with the bulk of g.o.p. voters. ultimately they could see this as persecution not prosecution. now, at the same time, hill republicans have announced their own investigation of d.a. fani willis. her true motivations, her tactics, and her connections to liberal causes. how will trump ever get an impartial jury there? we're also going to talk to sol wisenberg, mike davis and former trump attorney tim parlatore later in the show. plus, we will get live reaction from 2024 presidential candidates who made a lot of waives last night vivek ramaswamy. but, first, who won? that's the focus of tonight's angle. >> laura: all right. it's been almost, what? 24 hours since the first and trumpless g.o.p. debate slowly but surely the public is getting to know these candidates. here is the angle handy thumbnail analysis. these two guys are irrelevant. >> i think i took them a little too literally when they said go to milwaukee and break a leg. >> whenever i was in the bush administration, we went down there and met with president vicente fox of mexico. >> every job i had growing up was one where i are took a shower at the end of the day not at the beginning of the day. >> solution is not four more years of donald trump. >> no one ever asked the question what about the crime wave in small towns? >> i said that donald trump was morally disqualified from being president again. >> laura: speaking from 1996 was asa hutchison. the candidate most likely to wind up as an msnbc panelist that award goes to. >> here's the bottom line. someone has got to stop normalizing this conduct. okay? [cheers] [boos] now whether or not -- whether or not you believe that the criminal charges are right or wrong, the conduct is beneath the office of president of the united states. >> laura: then there were the representatives of the old bush-cheney view of republicanism. the two center dogs in the fight of course florida governor ron desantis, entrepreneur vivek ramaswamy. they both did their best though to appeal to the party's populist core. to score points vivek swatted at the old guard republicans on stage with him. >> we're in the middle of a national identity crisis. people are so hungry for purpose and meaning at a time when family, faith, patriotism, hard work have all disappeared. >> we don't have an identity crisis, vivek. we are not looking for a new national identity. the american people are the most faith-filled, freedom loving, idealistic, hardworking people the world has ever known. we just need government as good as our people. >> mike, i think the difference is you might like some other have on the stage morning in america speech. it is not morning in america. we live in a dark moment. we have to confront the fact that we are in an an internal sort of cold cultural civil war. >> you are -- >> laura: of course as much as there is to admire about mike pence the angle finds him a walking contradiction. is he proud of the trump pence record but hesitated to support trump as the nominee if he was convicted. >> if former president trump is convicted in a court of law, would you still support him as your party's choice? please raise your hand if you would. [cheers] >> laura: there wasn't a close-up shot there but they had to look at each other oh, i guess -- you see the trump plane by the way landing from new jersey in fulton county, georgia, the hartsfield international airport in atlanta. many of you traveled through there. it is a very, very busy airport. one of the biggest in the world. and he will make the short drive to fulton county. but, back to this debate. we are looking for a strong, committed leader. but pence came across as part of, you know, the earnest college freshman, maybe circa 1992. he was almost like a part minister trying to teach the g.o.p. according to bush cheney. pence would really be a great preacher. it was quite a spectacle though because vivek ramaswamy, an outsider, he bills himself as a brag that tis, a brash kind of tony robbins figure who no one knew a few months ago getting pig piled by the old g.o.p. establishment. among the g.o.p. voters, guess who did better? >> i have had enough already tonight of a guy who sounds like chatgpt. >> now is no, ma'am not the time for on-the-job training. we don't need to bring in a rookie. we don't need a president who is too young. >> under your watch you will make america less safe. you have no foreign policy experience and it shows. >> laura: at times when i was listen dog this it sounded like pence and haley had googled old applause line from the reagan years. >> we have been the leader of the free world and arrests no of democracy. the reagan doctrine made it clear if you are willing to fight the communist on your soil we will give you the means to fight them there so our troops don't have to fight them. >> the american president need to have moral clarity. they need to know the difference between right and wrong. they need to know the difference between good and evil. >> laura: but, of course, we all know that at least right now, look, what they are trying to conjure up the old it's morning in america, it's not morning in america. vivek is right about that. it's like we are all mourning america. we all see a vastly different country than it was in the 1980s and even frankly the 1990s. >> our country is in decline. this decline is not inevitable. it's a choice. i showed it could be done in the state of florida. i pledge to you, as your president, we will get the job done and i will not let you down. >> i amgen winly worried that that american dream will not exist for our two sons and their generation unless we do something about it. >> laura: okay. this is an important point. remember, reagan was really optimistic in 1984 because he had been president for four years and he fixed a bunch of stuff. go back and listen to watch reagan's warnings during the carter years? he was tough. now, look, it's pretty simple, the two people doing the best in the polls before the debate obviously, after trump, were desantis and ramaswamy.he washie two candidates still doing the best are the ones that agree with the base on the critical issues. desantis according to the post is at 29. ramaswamy 26. haley at 15. pence at 7. the two populist, desantis and vivek combined get 455%. now, this is obviously not a cult we are talking about. it's obviously grounded, this belief in the populist ideal is grounded in policy preferences. tough on china, skeptical on ukraine, strong on the border. pro-working class. tough on woke corporations. so, again, this is where we are. trump is in first place, about to be processed in the fulton county jail. and a governor who agrees with trump policies is in second place. then a businessman, who agrees with trump policies is in third place. desantis and ramaswamy combined in that poll beat all of the other six on stage combined. so, a lot of pre and post debate analysis is missing a very basic point. ever since donald trump came down that golden casey later in 2015, we have been having the same debate on the economy, the border, foreign policy. and the people keep telling us what they want. and the establishment keeps ignoring them. so wake up, everyone. there is no battle for the soul of the republican party as we often hear from the old guard. there is about 75% of the public who are america first conservatives. they think this spectacle in atlanta is a joke. and that's what they're talking to their friends about. but everyone else represented by mcconnell, nikki haley, chamber of commerce coalition, maybe about 25%. so the bottom line, if you want to be the nominee, you need to agree with trump on border, economic policy, china policy, reforming the civil service, and judges. this isn't a personality cult. it's a policy choice. after 20-plus years of watching what happened to america when it was led by the establishment, the overwhelming majority of republicans have decided that trump's policies were better for working americans. the other positions on immigration, ukraine, china, you know, were the answer. if the establishment views were correct. where are people like jeff flake today? how about john boehner? where is he? oh on the board of that pot corporation. okay. how about bob corker, counting his money. how about pat toomey? where is he? and we all know what happened to liz cheney. so we have won this debate inside the g.o.p., period end of story. now it's just a question of beating the democrats and attracting more independence, which we are already doing. how many americans today want our economy tied to china's? how many are ryan are getting mired in more wars. how many want illegal aliens flooding our country. how many want our government weaponized against political enemies? it's happening at a state level tonight. how many people think that hunter biden was just an ambitious international capitalist or that his father wasn't helping him? so who won the debate last night? the american people won the debate last night. because we showed, once again, that the republican party is moving in a new direction and that's the angle. joining me now charlie hurt opinion editor of "the washington times" and mollie hemingway editor and chief of the federal list. both are fox news contributors. i want to get your reaction to the debate in a moment. what we are seeing tonight at the atlanta hartfield network. they are all excited with the surrender. treating it like the oscars and the super bowl like a big bong all at once for them what do you make of this and it's easy to kind of laugh it off, trump is about to get in his car it's a travesty. >> good word for what is going on. we are seeing something horrible here in america. we used to be known as a place where we did not prosecute political opponents. where we did not believe that the way to handle political opposition was the way that the soviet union handled it or the putin handles it. politically persecuting one's he opponents. what is happening with democrats not just in atlanta but also at the department of justice and also at the new york attorney general office is to prosecute the political opponents of the ruling regime. this is a very dark moment. it's a very serious thing. and it's actually also very important that everybody who cares about this country and cares about rule of law and not handling things like we're a third world country or the soviet union of the 1980s, that they speak against this and stand strong and defend what makes america great. >> laura: charlie? >> i could not agree more easy to look at donald trump and see his sunny demeanor and think this is not a big deal. of course, people's lives are at risk. he faces just unimaginable years in prison. but i think it's so interesting. you are opening angle, the two are connected and you're exactly right. same people have taken over the republican party. and are finally listening to what voters want. that is why they are doing this to donald trump. >> laura: the voters are a threat to the establishment. that's why this is happening tonight. the voters are a threat. >> it's such a threat. this is a message to anybody else who will -- wants to pick up the baton of donald trump. this is what we're going to do to you if you listen to the people. we're going to put you in jail and at the very least, we are going to tangle you up in court for decades. >> laura: bankrupt you. >> and we are going to bankrupt you. >> laura: mollie, don't you agree it's for potential staff down the road? he is about to get off his plane. potential staff. who is going to work for someone who is constant target of investigations? they want to make him ra radioactive anyone like them radioactive. >> that's the point and has been the point for some time. the left has been going after all sort of constitutionally protected freedoms. free speech, having a right to an attorney. these are attacks on constitutional freedoms and rights that we have. and that is the point. it does also clarify what the next election is about. and how important it is for everyone who cares about the country to be united on standing up against this. this is like how you lose a republic. and so it clarifies all the issues. people are surprised that donald trump is doing well in the polls each time he gets indicted. >> laura: for the survival of trump or the country. t. seems like the survival of the country. >> it's clearly the country and what we believe. >> if we sit back and allow this to happen, do you think they are going to stop doing this? no, this is the way politics will be run for the rest of time. >> that's why the hesitation on that panel last night about pardoning trump. what? we need leaders, not followers. >> it reminds me of what happens on a school yard when there is a bully and everybody thinks that they just go along with the bully that it won't go away and you actually have to stand up and fight and you have to stop these things. >> laura: there is president trump exiting his plane. this is a somber moment for the country and infuriating moment for the trump base. i think a lot of independents, frankly, who are watching this spectacle unfold and thinking this is something we watch in the third world, maybe central america. south america, obviously. we see what putin does to his critics from alexander navalny and the vicious prigozhin. but they don't allow them to have their say. and they certainly don't allow any groundswell of support to develop around a political opponent. he will take the short drive to the fulton county courthouse. i should say, charlie, the left is ramping up their fear-mongering as this is all going on because, again, this is their moment of great celebration. they claim to think that this is a serious moment for democracy. but, you see it around the edges. they are gleeful, that this is man is going to get his mugshot taken tonight, fingerprinted like, you know, like he is someone jacking cars in san francisco. those people actually go free. >> so they are completely bankrupt of ideas on the left. they have nothing left. and so their only option now is to do this. and it's really frustrating for americans who care about the country and care about law and order and care about our justice system. because you feel like there's nothing you can do. you can't, you know, vote to recall fani willis or alvin bragg. you can't do anything like that. but, the only thing you can actually do is support donald trump. and, to me, that issue, because of your question a minute ago, is this about saving trump or is this about saving the country? i think it's about saving the country. that's why i think all the other issues that we talk about in this primary, in the republican primary, it's important and interesting and fun and, yes, the -- you know, the america first trump wing has taken over the republican party. but, to me, the most important thing we can do is stop this -- is to stop this. because, if this is not stopped, they will do this forever. >> laura: republicans should grind everything on capitol hill to a halt. everything. if this is allowed on the federal level. on a state level. i would grind it all to a halt. >> so much that they can do on the hill and they have done gun begun investigating fanny willis. >> i think prosecutors around the country should begin preparing indictments of joe biden for every person in their district who dies of fentanyl poisoning. every person that is murdered by illegal alien that joe biden intentionally allowed in the country so that they could go and murder somebody. there should be indictments for the president and let's start there. and then if we want to renegotiate this and settle down a little bit, maybe we can do that. >> laura: i want everyone to understand what we are watching. we are watching a secret service detail, accompany the former president of the united states leading significantly. 30, 4 o0, 50 points in the republican primary accompanying him to a two bit courthouse in georgia where left wing district attorney thinks her political future, i'm sorry, is going to be made. mollie, she thinks she is going to be the next governor of georgia. >> well, many democrats are part of this attempt to imprison their political opponents. and partly what they are doing is showing that they have power. that they can make your life very bad. what it also does, though, it shows us what we're dealing with as our country. we have had a lot of people who have become political leaders and become incredibly wealthy. joe biden spent 50 years in public service. and his family all has bank accounts where they take money from foreign people. they go to public service and they come out much better. you have with president trump one of the first and only people to actually stand up against that corrupt regime. seeing the persecution that comes associated with it, which also kind of makes the case for him because people see that if you go along with the regime good things happen to you. if you stand on behalf of the people they will try to destroy you. there is like a weakness that's shown here. in the same way you think of what the communists used to do to their political opponents. they would imprison them. after communism ended some of those people became presidents and leaders. people knew they were persecuted and imprisoned because they were opposing a corrupt regime. >> laura: how does this effect, charlie, this republican primary? we saw this last night where, as i said in the angle, the two men on stage who most closely align with trump on the policies, and clearly were the most charitable toward him, obviously vivek is the most. desantis as well. although he tried to stay above the fray. they are one and two in the polls. 455% compared to everyone else added up. bigger poll numbers. >> again, your point it was all about the issues. and it was all about the issues. just like 2016 was the most issue oriented election probably of our lifetime it was about the issues. that was what was so terrifying to these people and why they are persecuting donald trump like this. because, when you make elections about issues, reasonable america first populist candidates rise to the top. and you're exactly right. you've got, you know, they have completely taken over the republican party. these people have been knocked out of power. and, you know, they are coming for the democrat party. and there is nothing they won't do to stop that. >> laura: anyone who has the views that he has on putting china back on its heels, we are talking trillions of dollars is on the line. that's a lot of money. and you don't think china is happy tonight to see this? they are very happy. the happiest china would be is if china was reelected. look at who is happy tonight and clearly, they're gleeful. >> it's true that the enemies of america look at this and they see it for sort of the laughingstock that it is. they see how the country used to pride itself on never engaging in this kind of corruption of our department of justice has been laid low. so while democrats and people in the media are, of course, celebrating that their foe is being processed in this way, it is actually america that is being labeled. >> laura: totalitarian regime. you guys are criticizing us? first of all you call yourself a bunch of racists you say you are systemically racist. you see all the people ripping down historical markers and monuments. take over the streets. stealing from every store. and now you are putting the guy number one guy in the republican party in jail and you are talking about civil rights with us or freedom with us? get out of town. i mean, that's the argument. that if you are xi or putin, you are looking across the table from antony blinken or whatever stooge they send over there, just laughing at. >> we have lost every shred of credibility and, of course, it's the very same people though think that america should be the world's policemen, who are selling out all of our credibility in order for -- to have a political win here. >> laura: and, mollie, you sense in some of the comments on the other networks that they are really building this it's a security risk. like security around the courthouse. we want everyone to be safe no matter what is happening in our country, obviously. but just like nancy pelosi created that atmosphere after january 6th, you will to have the barbed wire, you had to have the perimeter. you get the sense they are going to keep this going through the next election which maybe this will effect how people vote. maybe it will be used in other ways to kind of clamp down on speech. but you get that sense that the security threat is used as part of their choreography here. >> you look at freedom of speech. freedom of the press. the right to petition your government for redress of grievances. all of these things are things that the left does not want us to have. and it's very -- it's terrifying to actually live through. tyrannical, authoritarian. related. it's misinformation, disinformation. the same thing they threw out during covid they will throw out again. panel is going to stay with me. i want to bring in republican presidential candidate had a busy night vivek ramaswamy. vivek, thanks for joining us. as you see the scene right now. the coverage with the drones and the chase suvs of donald trump being brought fulton county courthouse to be fingerprinted, get his mugshot taken and the left thinks this is the ultimate in humiliation. your reaction tonight? >> i think this is shameful, laura. this is an indictment not of trump but of our national civic health that we have gotten to a place where we have a party in power that will use any charge in any jurisdiction four at the same time in the middle of an election designed, mark my words, to stop their lead political rival currently from running. and i'm saying this coming out of a debate last night that went very well in national polls i'm now in second. it would be easier for me if my competitor in this primary, donald trump, were eliminated from competition. but that is not how i want to win. that is not grounded in principle. we are skating on thin ice as a country right now, laura. and i think this takes us one step further in the wrong direction. we have to stand on the side of principle, not politics. that goes for everybody in this g.o.p. primary. and i have been vocal for a reason. >> laura: vivek, you said you are one of the candidates who would support trump as the nominee if he wins the nomination. but, if he is convicted of a crime, here's how former governor of maryland, larry hogan reacted to this. watch. >> that was the low light of the entire debate. i mean, i was embarrassed and disgusted by it. you know, for six people to raise their hand and say i would put a convicted felon in the white house, it's just beyond comprehension. i mean, in most states, convicted felons don't even have the right to vote. they are not registered voters but we would put them in the white house? >> laura: the establishment didn't like the rallying around donald trump because they don't like the views of donald trump or certainly not yours or desantis'. >> i think the reality is, we are rallying behind the founding vision of the united states of america, that the people we elect on the government ought to be the ones who run the government. not the deep state and certainly not somebody selected by the administrative police state, which is the way they are trying to run the show today. so i have a simple view, the people who leads this country next should be the person hot citizens of this nation actually choose. i think that's not a radical idea. yet, it seems radical to the likes of not only joe biden, but look at our own party. liz cheney to chris christie to asa hutchinson to, you know, larry hogan or whoever else you are going to play from the traditional republican establishment echoing the same talking points. that's why, laura, i think the divide in country goes even deeper than just traditional republicans and democrats. i think the real divide is do we believe in the founding ideal of this country, of the american revolution, that the people can be trusted to self-govern or do we actually believe that the people can't be trusted and it has to be a small group of self-appointed quasi monarchs in the back of palace halls in old world england in the old world but in the administrative state as it goes today. i stand on the side of the american revolution. that's why i'm in this race. i do not think we are in a moment for incremental reform. i think we require a revival of the ideas of 1776 itself. that's what my campaign about. that's also what we need to revive in this moment. >> laura: people need to talk about a political revival. we need a spiritual revival in our country as well. >> yes. >> laura: you wouldn't be elected to do that a lot of your political opponents are flooding the marketplace with vivek. on background. i'm going to ask you some of these questions. you have been in my view excellent on china, you have been very tough on china in your campaign. but, when you -- i think it was back in 2018 you were ceo. you gave keynote remarks at some biotech conference in china. i know you've done business in china and you partnered with various companies that have ties to china. do you have -- >> -- that's correct. >> laura: is there a transcript of those remarks that you gave at that biotech conference? would you release the video of the speech there? >> absolutely. absolutely. in fact, there is nothing to hide. far from. this i write about that experience in "woke inc.," my first book, laura. and the fact is i probably know more about the modern chinese state than probably everybody else on that debate stage yesterday. because, yes, i have done deals around the world, developing medicines in many jurisdictions not just china. here's what i know through my own experience, china is different. the ccp does not allow you to do business in china unless you effectively meet their demands. and that's why they turn american ceos from jamie dimon to tim cook to larry fink into the ccp's circus monkeys. the reason i'm so vocal actually our from china is somebody from my own views not been in state government my whole life but actually has been in business, understands how this game is played. china wants to turn u.s. companies into pawns. to do their bidding. that is why they require airbnb, for example, to hand over american user data as a condition for doing business in china. that is not capitalism. that is chinese member can't tilism. that's why everybody the most aggressive in race based on my personal understanding of it that we have to say unless china plays by the same set of rules we are out. >> laura: you made a lot of money in china. >> i actually did not. the made money i made money five fda approved drugs in the united states. >> laura: are they made in china? are any of those drugs made in china. >> no. they are not made in china, thankfully. actually. and in my late days, in my late days as ceo, i began to pull out from china and so biotech company i founded as far as i know today, i'm not part of the company anymore, doesn't have operations in china. but, also, when i founded strive, the competitor to blackrock that i founded, i made a day one commitment, based on my own knowledge. >> laura: i remember that. you came on the podcast. >> do not do business in china. and strive would never do business in china unlike blackrock. exactly. it's so important that we see the chinese threat. >> laura: clear up the soros schin you got. that was in 2011. you got some scholarship that was sponsored by the soros foundation because you needed the money or what was that all about. >> this has come up a million times. yeah, so i was when 24. i applied for a generic scholarship that hundreds of people win. 24 years old to go to law school. graduate student applications. generic scholarship from not george soros. >> this is the common misperception. it is a family member of george soros who is long dead at the age of 24 to pay for law school. i will tell you this, laura, anyone e. anybody who would have turned that scholarship down at the age of 24, if they're the same person today should get nowhere near the white house doing trade deals on behalf of this country. the reality is they probably aren't very happy with what i say today. no george soros other than condemning him. donald trump, ohio love and respect. had $160 million loan from george soros. that's not disqualifying. ron desantis has been complemented by george soros in this campaign. hosting fundraisers. i don't think that's disqualifying either. it's good people are asking questions. that's what a primary race is all about and i embrace it. >> laura: vivek, nobody knows who you were five minutes ago. i know who you are because of your book and we have done so many interviews over the years. i have known you. our viewers are still getting to know you and, yet, you are number two and three in these polls. "the washington post" put you at finishing second behind desantis last night. but, you and desantis combined are 55%. all six of the other candidates on stage together, combined, didn't beat you and desantis that's pretty stunning. >> i think the debate was pretty useful last night. it smokes out real ideological differences in the g.o.p. >> laura: you bet. >> that's going to make the party and the country stronger. that was a successful evening. and the reality for me, laura, is that even though we had some, what i would call banter on the basketball court last night, i still view the other people on that stage as colleagues in our national revival. i expect to be the next president. i expect to win in a landslide. but i will require, respectfully, each of those people to play their respectful roles in our national revival as well in some way because this is a team sport. and you brought this up earlier. it's not the job of the u.s. president to automatically bring back faith in the country. but i do think it's an important point to pause on where the left feeds our vacuum of purpose with race, gender, sexuality, climate. and i do think we as conservatives need to now level up. we are not just criticizing that agenda but offer an actual vision of our own, individual, family, nation, god. i'm leading the way on that. i'm going to need the other people on that stage to play their part in revival, too. >> laura: vivek, we have got to get back to the trump chase here. but thank you for joining us. >> yes. >> laura: joining us now is former deputy independent counsel, fox news contributor sol wisenburg and president and founder of the article iii project mike davis. we have our political panel also standing by. mike, trump is arriving at the jail at any moment. but, earlier today, he got a brand new attorney, actually, we're going to go to sol on this question. sol, he got a brand new attorney. i know you know him well. what can you tell us about steven sad do you who will be with him tonight as he gets process dollars? i wouldn't say i know him well. is he outstanding criminal defense attorney. ferocious trial advocate. great cross examiner. i think it's a great choice. drew, his current lead counsel down there is also an outstanding attorney. i don't know what the issue was. he picked somebody who is outstanding and kind of a real fighter in the trump mold. >> laura: mike, the motorcade is arriving right at the courthouse and they are going through the gates at this moment. and there will be some perfunctory details they will have to get to. i wonder if the president will have to go through the magnetometer i guess he will with the secret service. this the whole thing is ridiculous. the pictures we are seeing. this has never happened in the history of the united states. a presidential motorcade going to take former president to be processed, booked, and the left hopes humiliated but i think the country is going to have something to say about this. mike? >> yeah. this is outrageous. here we have another democrat prosecutor in another democrat hell hole dragging a former president in a leading presidential candidate in to indict him and book him to and to take mugshot for the noncrime of objecting to a presidential election, which is allowed by the electoral counteract of 1887. >> twisting political arms is allowed by the first amendment. to say charge racketeering is laughable. and i hope president trump's legal team immediately files a motion to dismiss. he has presidential immunity for his acts as president of the united states. alternatively, as a private citizen, the first amendment protects his actions. this is lawless. this is democrat law fare this is election interference. >> laura: sol, the fact that he can, be, you know, actually prosecuted in a county like fulton county, georgia presidency. but that in and of itself seems to have been such a legitimate cause for removal to the federal court system. how do you see this playing out? there is a statute a love yous him to move for removal. it's not automatic if you are either sued or indicted for actions that you took as part of your lawful authority or your authority as a federal office holder, you could remove it. it's up to the discretion of the judge i think he will do that and it should be removed. i have a real problem with state and local prosecutors from around the country believing that that they can -- believing that they can prosecute a president. >> laura: gum up the whole system. why have a president? let's have multiple investigations all across the country in blue states blue counties. we can disrupted any president, i guess, going forward. i want to quickly go to fox news bryan llenas. who is outside the jail where trump is. political panel also standing by. bryan, what was the scene? >> laura, good evening. it was a spectacle, as you had said earlier in the show. really, to give you an idea how the security is out here. this is a hard lockdown according to the fulton county sheriff. to the left over here see the line of sheriff deputies as well as the roads blocked here on jefferson street. this is right in front of the entrance where we just saw the motorcade come in. this area has been locked down for at least the last couple of hours. on the other side of the jail there are about 150 or so trump supporters and protesters that have been out here rallying all day. if you turn the camera they even have dumpster trucks here blocking the way. this is all part of the security, obviously, when have you unprecedented event, as a former president, that is now currently being booked inside of that jail. you can also see tons of press that have been barricaded out here on jefferson street. from what we understand what's happening right now inside, if kathy can show the jail, we can only show you from where we are right now, but, you know, patrick labat, who is the sheriff here says they are going to go through normal protocol as any criminal defendant. we will see if that ends up happening or negotiations with the secret service. but normal protocol means you will have to go through the magnetometers. he will be fingerprinted after he surrenders and he will also, yes, anticipate take a mugshot. we know that mugshot will be made available fairly quickly. because they have done this before. 11 of the last -- well, 11 of the 18 co-defendants of the former president have dunder themselves in and their mug shots have been released including former white house chief of staff mark meadows who turned himself in today and was released on $1 million bond. that mugshot will be available for the public to see. it includes the weight of the defendant. so that will give you an idea as to just how much information we will get. obviously this is the fourth time that the form are president has gone through something like this. his fourth criminal case. but this is the first time that he has had to, well, go in and be booked like this and have a mugshot taken. it will be the first time he will also have to pay a bond to be released. he will have to pay a $200,000 bond to be released from that fulton county jail. i think also, laura, i want people to understand is when they are looking at this jail right now, this is not a normal jail. this is a notorious jail that is under doj investigation for conditions and excessive violence, laura. >> laura: brian, thank you so much. i want to bring back sol wisenburg and mike davis. sol, once again, paint this picture of how unusual and striking this scene is with a former president being brought in to a stridently democrat district to be processed in this manner for what amounts to mostly disputing the results of the election and deciding to, you know, take various measures to, perhaps, allow for challenges to go forward and alternative slate of electors, whatever anyone thinks about that for that be the basis of a county prosecution, parallelling a federal prosecution, paint the picture. >> well, you have to keep in mind both this prosecutor in fulton county and the prosecutor in manhattan, they basically campaigned on going after donald trump. and you have to ask yourself, like charlie hurt was saying earlier, no matter what party you're in, do you want every, you know, every -- any prosecutor in any county in any state in this country, all the a sudden thinking and taking upon themselves i think i'm going to indict the president of the united states who is very unpopular in my county and my district. i think it's a road that we don't want to take. federal prosecution is a completely different thing. if there's a valid case. but when you start getting these state prosecutors who can be notorious for publicity-seeking and oh i want a mugshot of the former president and i want him to walk through a magnetometer, i think it's something people should think very deeply about. >> laura: mike, the house committee on the judiciary is investigating fani willis regarding her motivations for prosecuting former president trump. this could be quite something, given her history. your reaction to this? is this the only thing the house can do? i think there is a lot more they could do. but sound off on this. >> i would like to commend house judiciary chairman jim jordan for performing necessary oversight here. there's clear coordination between these democrat prosecutors and these democrat hell holes of new york, d.c., and atlanta to wage election interference against president trump. they waited 30 months to bring these bogus, lawless charges against president trump. and now all of a sudden they are demanding these fast trials that just happen to interfere in the presidential election. and i think jim jordan is very correct in saying we're not going to use federal funds to interfere in this election and if you are coordinating with the biden justice department, including jack smith, that's highly inappropriate. we saw fani willis at her press conference she refused to answer whether she is coordinating with the biden justice department, including jack smith. and i think jim jordan is going to get to the bottom of that. >> laura: sol, are you that helpful? help -- hopeful? >> he certainly has the power. congress has broad power to investigate if there is a legislative purpose. what i find quite shocking and almost unprecedented is you have now got the state and the federal authorities going after each other and, again, i don't think that's an area -- it's very rare to have a house committee investigating a state prosecutor. we saw some of this when i was working for ken starr where bill clinton got his allies in state government in arkansas to actually go after some of our key witnesses. it's a very dangerous thing. it's a bad thing when that happens because people have to have faith in the criminal justice system. and so, i'm worried about it. and i think he has every right to look into this, jim jordan. >> laura: all right. legal. stand by. we are going back to our political panel now. mollie, fani willis is pushing for the first trial in this to be october 23rd of mr. cheese burrow. so he looks like where does this tell you it might end up. >> trying to rush all of in this is basically a kangaroo court. she wants to set up a show trial. >> laura: cameras in the courtroom too, correct? >> the whole point is to make a spectacle. it's not actually to find justice. she is a very politically compromised person. she has been hosting -- raising money off of this. hosting fundraisers for political opponents for the people she just indicted. she has a lot of baggage. i was glad that someone mentioned i think it was sol mentioned that the doj has been looking into fulton county's jail because it's so poorly run. the department of justice actually has a lot of interest in fulton county because the entire county is poorly run including by the way how they run elections is very poorly run. this is a county that is not known for having good standards for how they run themselves, for how they protect the people in their midst. so it is a very serious situation. but the whole point is kangaroo court show trial here. >> laura: charlie, people think well, he can't get a fair trial and he probably cannot. however, there are republicans in fulton county it just takes one juror row, huh-uh, i don't know. what is it 30% or so republicans in the district you? are not going to have one republican on this jury? in this case given everybody knows about this -- everyone knows the defendant, the idea you are going to find somebody who has never heard of this case you don't want those people on the jury, frankly. >> which is why the timing is so important to them and the reason that they thrown so many charges at him if we can just get one to stick. democrats in fulton county live in a hell hole. and i think it's so fascinating to watch the security detail take the president over here. you've got, what 20, 30 motorcycles? you have a fleet of suburbans. you have hundreds of armed guards. and the first year that fani willis became d.a., she had 204 people murdered in fulton county. 284 women were raped. over 1,000 robberies. that's a 60% jump in murders in her first year. what when does she devote her first year to in office? >> laura: she wants to kill the political future of donald trump. >> she wants to go after donald trump. and it's so interesting. so you have -- she spends all this security on donald trump. don't you think that even democrats or independents in fulton county might like to have some of that security, keeping their 204 neighbors from getting murdered in the first year or 284 women from being raped in the first year? she doesn't care about that. >> laura: mollie, you have said this so many times so eloquently. the left likes everyone to believe they have the market cornered on compassion and caring and protecting democracy. but tonight this picture that's unfolding in fulton county puts democracy, i think, on a knife's edge. >> if you are imprisoning your political opponents for political issues, you're a bad person. >> if you are cheering the imprisonment of your political opponents being for political reasons, you are a bad person. like, this is not funny. there is not cute. >> laura: and you don't care about democracy. either. the idea that they're protecting democracy. >> certainly don't care about the health of the republic. this is really serious stuff. actually. this is how countries fail. it takes a lot of work to uphold rule of law. you can't do this thing where you protect all of your political allies, no matter what they do, including not just questioning elections, but what we had from the democrat party and the media from 2016 to 2020 was a full-on resistance against -- >> laura: how many bumper stickers around town not my president with trump's face on it. how many times did we see not my president. they never thought he was legitimate. >> to take it one step further, if you are not fighting with every fiber in your body against this, then you are also contributing to the evil. if this is not stopped, it will continue forever. >> laura: panel, thank you so much. both of you don't. so now what does all of this mean for the election going forward? the judge just granted one of the co-defendants, as i said, kenneth cheese bureau a speedy trial starts on the 23rd of october. trump's lawyers are trying to separate him from that date right now just that one co-defendant look how the court dates overlap for the primary dates. terrifying. there is the graphic if you can read it. i can't from here. joining me now victor davis hanson. this is political, they want to knock him off the trail, try to silence him. don't let him speak. take him off social media. it's all too dangerous. nancy pelosi will put the barbed wire up at the capitol a couple hundreds yards away from where we are right now. can you see this all building. can you not? >> absolutely. all four prosecutions, all four of them are by people who are -- would self-identify as being on the left. they are all going to be in left wing jurisdictions. they are going to be before left wing jurors. why couldn't there just be one conservative person, if this was so legitimate somewhere in the united states also join in? but it's all political. it's designed to bankrupt his campaign, to humiliate him. to put his mugshot on every political flier online in the entire race and to post his weight. everything they can do. and it's also though, laura, very quickly, to establish deterrence. they are telling everybody when this election comes on if you question how we conduct election anywhere in the united states, no matter how egregious it might seem, that's a criminal offense that's a deterrent. they are also going to tell people look, if you are on the fence and considering being conservative or liberal, look what the penalties and look at what the rewards are. and so it's insidious what they are doing. and i don't know, under this statute, these statutes that she is trying to create into criminality, al gore would be guilty in 2000. barbara boxer would be guilty in 2004 for questioning the elections in ohio. in 2016, hillary clinton, jill stein. you could probably say those hollywood bee actors who tried to persuade electors to renounce constitutional duties and vote according to their popular vote, they would be guilty of a ricco act. you could go all the way down for any dissent. donald trump said find me some votes. he didn't say invent them. he genuinely felt maybe wrongly but he felt if there were votes that were not counted. >> laura: no one has ever said that in the history of politics find me some votes. victor, back to this point, trump is the most egregious example of the politicization of our prosecutorial system on the state and federal level. go after your political opponents. but, as we were talking about earlier, this is happening in colleges, and universities, high schools, junior high schools, and the workplace, in the military, where people who see themselves as traditionalists or maybe christian, or maybe they are muslim, but they are no that additionallist in their outlook, they feel like they're targets. like they can't speak. they probably won't get a promotion. and everyone is walking on egg shells because, heaven forbid, the establishment bears down on them and decides to take them out. take them off the playing field or out of the workplace or out of the military. >> well, it's actually a sign of weakness. they have no confidence in their agenda appealing to 51% of the electorate. so on the border, on crime, on the economy, on transgender issues, on any of these issues, they lose the public. and they know it. so they turn to these institutional protections and they weaponize them. and then they try to do what they can't achieve at the ballot box. in fact, the "new york times" had an op-ed that elections are bad for democracy. they don't trust elections. they don't trust the will of the people, and they know that trying to force down the throats of the american people an agenda that otherwise would not be viable unless they had these institutional levers and gears that they can gin up support for either by intimidation or using the wall as law fare or whatever the institution is, the fbi, weaponize the doj. at some point we are going to reach a critical pass where people are going to say if we don't stop it we don't have a country. i think we are getting re close to that right now. >> laura: people talk about the election was rigged. you are seeing election interference right now. this could be the long roll rigging of an election. this is the type of interference that we really have to focus on. victor, thank you. joining me now is one of president trump's former attorneys people parlatore. you worked for trump over a year on legal cases what is going through your former client's head right now. he has been processed as we understand. >> well, certainly this is a unique experience for him. deaf it in new york. >> laura: do you think it's unique, tim, really? >> well, for him, yeah. >> laura: yeah, i would say. >> it's his fourth time now but still, the way that they are doing it down in fulton county is very different how they did it in new york and very different from how the feds did it. >> laura: they don't have to do what they're doing, do they? it's a discretionary issue. they are not required to fingerprint or to do the mugshot. they decided to do it. it's the commonplace but they have the discretion. >> i believe so. you know, in a lot of these state prosecutions they do have that type of discretion. especially after covid. i mean, we have done plenty of cases where the entire case is by zoom. but, you know, i think they did want to do it for optics. >> laura: yeah. well, the mugshot of donald trump will go down, i mean, remember the mugshot of frank sinatra? that's like a poster on kids rooms in college. so, that's going to be on mugs, you know, the left will use it and humiliate them. this could actually become a rallying cry for a political, you know, opposition movement. not even -- the substance of what trump is saying right now. but opposition to the politicization of our, you know, investigative systems, our state prosecutorial, our federal. and i think a lot of people watch this go this isn't right. we might not like trump, but this, this isn't right. >> right. and it's interesting because, you know, for me, i have seen how this system has been abused for my whole career. and, you know, when they start to move it, you know, from abusing the people to abusing things based on political positions, it starts to open up for everybody else to see, you know, that which a lot of us have seen for decades. >> laura: remember what they did to conrad black my old friend? >> yeah. >> laura: this has been going on. >> it is. >> laura: this is multiprofile example of it. they want to make examples of people they think are problems, real problems. >> and in a weird way they are shining a light on their own problems. you know, the d.a.s like fani willis. this prosecution, i look at, it is such an overreach, and, you know, for her to try to, you know, use ricco to step so far outside the bounds of what is her jurisdiction. you got to remember, she is a county prosecutor. she is not a state attorney general. she is certainly not a fed. she is only allowed to do what is in her county. she is using ricco to try to step far beyond our boundary. and if the ricco case falls. everything outside of fulton county falls. everything even in the state house falls because she is a county official. she doesn't even have jurisdiction over the legislature -- legislative building over where, you know, the phone call goes to the secretary of state. none of that is hers. >> laura: tim, i'm so glad we got a chance to talk to you tonight. this is a really disgusting moment for the united states of america. as someone who lived in the former soviet union for a short time when i was a student, i never thought i would see this in the united states of america. this is soviet-style justice. thank you, tim. all right, joining us now former deputy independent counsel, fox news contributor sol wisenburg and president and founder of the article iii project mike davis. mike, what can you tell us about trump's new attorney steven sadow that sol did not inform us about? people were saying switching attorneys, you know, tim was a former attorney. obviously now we have another attorney. is this a sign of weakness in their case or strength? the motorcade is back on the move. by the way, they are already processed and they are on their way back to the plane. so that was quick. go ahead, mike. >> i would say president trump is gearing up. he is getting the best attorneys for the various democrat law fare around the country. is he ultimately going to prevail in all of these cases before the united states supreme court. this is lawless. all of these cases on every front. presidential records case, alvin bragg's case up in new york for the noncrime of a businessman settling a nuisance claim. these january 6th cases. the issue is does this get resolved before november 5th 2024? and i think the american people are going to say to these democrat prosecutors and these democrat judges and these democrat juries and these democrat hell holes of new york, d.c. and atlanta, that the american people get to decide the next election. and that's what's going to happen. they will put trump back in the white house. >> that was a quick processing. a few forms had to be signed and the photo taken. they way him. -- weigh him. come on. >> she wants the mug shot. she wanted to make him come down. she wants the mug shot. she may have a surprise in store. you have one defendant that wants a speedy trial. people may see how weak some of the count are. particularly the count that have to do with what is a political advocacy in georgia. there is one defendant named shaffer, the fellow the head of the state republican party. filed a very good motion. it gets into the fact that most of the political activity he said he was charged with is all called for under the electoral count act and georgia state law on challenging an election. slow m she may be in for a surprise. >> laura: fani willis wants cameras in the courtroom. other network will go 24/7 for it. it's catnip for the progressive. that could cut the other way? >> i hope that fani willis does put cameras in the courtroom so americans can see what a partisan buffoon she is. i think it will back fire like it back fired on the democrats when they tried to go after justice kavanaugh. he is on the supreme court for the rest of his life and 4 senate democrat incumbents were sent into retirement. i think democrats will regret this because president trump will be back in the white house in 2024. >> laura: wouldn't it be rich after all of these legal proceedings run their course, what the democrats ended up accomplishing is ensuring that number 1, donald trump is the nominee, and number 2, we see the greatest political come back of all time. imagine if after all of this that, is the result. would there be enough hefty bags to hold the heads that would explode off the shoulders of left wing partisans across the u.s.? it's not out of the realm of possibility. >> well, it would be ironic. you see the effect it's had on the republican polls for the primary. i think the real danger there from a political perspective is being caused by the state prosecutors. people sense they are publicity hounds. they both campaigned on going on donald trump. that should be a recusal issue. on the federal side, the federal charges are something he will have to contend with. i part company with mike. we will see what the evidence says, the mar-a-lago case presents real problems for him. >> laura: sol and mike, thanks for sayinguous. -- staying with us. stay with fox news all night. there is a new america. thanks for watching. jesse watters takes it from here. see you on social media. twitter and the like. >> jesse: welcome to "jesse watters primetime." >> leave him stone cold. >> booing is allowed but didn't change the truth. >> we don't need to bring in a rookie. >> jesse: the debate. what the heck just happened? >> my son did nothing wrong. >> jesse: hunter air force home 2. there is more. >> the ultimate luxury and way to pamper yourself. >> jesse

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