too much room to sent the terms of debate. the first nine months he grunted about a dozen interviews. trump did more than 50 in the same time and barack obama or than 100. now, we get to the papers real gripe about biden, he's not set for interviews with the associated press, "new york times", reuters, washington post, "wall street journal" or "usa today", how day-- how dare he. biden doesn't stir things up on his twitter feed and the conventional wisdom is that his aides don't want the boss wandering off script or making mistakes. whether that is true or not his low-key approach , you know what dealing with the press is part of the job. i'm howard kurtz and this is "media buzz". ♪♪ howard: ahead, kyle rittenhouse rips the media's sickening coverage of his trial we will talk to brian kiilmeade about that and abc jonathan karl on his interview with trump about the last year of his presidency. and the media complains about jen psaki says president biden takes more questions than his recent predecessor, just not and press conferences and hear some of the brief exchanges he has had with reporters or not in the last couple of weeks >> us mean that all the time and i give you the same answer. i've been competent since the day i stepped into office. >> nothing. nothing happened. >> build back better, when do you expect it to land on your desk? >> i don't know. it will take a wild to get through the senate, probably after thanksgiving. >> when will you answer our questions? howard: joining us now to analyze the coverage, ben domenech. and mara liasson and both are fox news contributors. do you agree president biden is too insulated from the press and that this surrenders his ability to sell his message? >> absolutely agree, howie. i think one of the things that has hurt the democratic efforts in terms of writing the ship in the poll numbers we have seen to this point is the fact that joe biden seems to be very much awol, the common image people have of him at the moment is walking away from a podium turning his back on reporters and taking no questions and while we don't need to see the level of activity and engagement with the news media that we saw under the last administration, which was combative and nonstop and i think were people out, i think biden is hurting, not just his own poll numbers but those of his party when it comes to making the case to the american people that things are on the right track, that things are coming back. you won't be able to get that with just a brief phone call to al rocher on a thanksgiving day parade. howard: i have been touting this for a long time and i know some people think it's press whining but i see a lot of stories that biden needs to talk more about inflation, and say democrats and media critics, but to be the president is muting his microphone. do you think there's something to the notion that the top people in the white house don't want him out there that much? >> yeah. i think the reason for biden to speak to the press more is not because we want him to talk to us more, but the bully pulpit is a powerful tool and i can tell you there's a lot of democrats that feel it's being underutilized. there's a message that has not gotten out, they feel, about the president's agenda, build back better, infrastructure bill, all these things they say are popular with the public but no one knows they actually happened or that a check they got came courtesy of joe biden so there's a sense that it's underutilized. i don't get the sense they are keeping him under wraps because they are afraid he will make one of his well-known mistakes, he interacts with the press in an informal way as you saw on the tarmac and there's plenty of opportunities for him to make mistakes there also. he's leaving a big tool and used those interactions tend to be brief and i would argue even if he does makes mistakes all presidents make mistakes but it's up all-- small price to pay to get the message out. when he talks to reporters he gives daytime speeches and they are tend to be on the dull side. it's not the president's job to entertain us, but because what breaks through the media static is saying something short or provocative-- or provocative. >> yeah, and i think that is something that's been absent from this white house. you don't have the president using the power that mara just detailed or some of the things they have been able to get accomplish on capitol hill to a stronger degree. i think that many democrats are frustrated by that because they viewed joe biden as being this popular politician who's going to be the vehicle for an agenda that includes a lot of things that were to the old joe biden's left and i think what they want is for him to make a stronger case for that agenda. this isn't just immediate frustration. it's political leaps in the democratic party who feel like it's a missed moment, he missed opportunity and that 11 months into the biden administration, they see these poll numbers on virtually every major issue and they wish he was doing a better job of fighting to make the case for their agenda. howard: and that's the key point, not just media frustration. a classic example friday in nantucket he stopped to take a few questions about the virus variant showing up in a number of african countries and he said well there's a lot we don't know and rather than having a press avail to tout the fact he took this action beginning travel from the african countries, he didn't do that and made limited news. >> made limited news. there's a lot of opportunities that democrats and supporters of heel-- his view he has abandoned it. explaining his policies getting out there to make sure people know what he's done. howard: polls show a lot of people don't know what's in this bill. >> not only don't know what's in the bill, they don't know the things he's already done and given them like $300 a month for child tax credit and stimulus, they don't know that it came courtesy of him. one of biden's promises was to dial down the volume and have a calm or less chaotic presidency and he is accomplish that, but the presidency is a selling position. donald trump sold every day for better or for worse and it didn't always work out to his benefit, but biden has gone to the opposite extreme. howard: and you said earlier then, it were a lot of people out. here's donald trump beating up on fake news the other night with sean hannity. >> have some people in and give them absolutely perfect answer, i would give them the time, everything and they would still write a bad story because that's their genetic makeup. they are the enemy of the people and we could have a country that would be able to heal and get together except the media ferments it. howard: i always felt phrases like enemy of the people went too far, but the media loves to talk about themselves and why do this now as the former president and why pound away to that extent against the press? >> well, one thing i would point out is that when we talk about the media we typically mean the publications you are listing off before, but the most powerful media companies in the world, not just in america, google, facebook and these big tech companies that i think very much have shown they aren't the enemy of the american people. they are the enemy of free thought and free expression in america on those thoughts on their platforms, but setting that aside i think there is something to be said for the point that mara was making about this being a dial down administration. i actually think many people feel this administration presided over more chaos than they expected, that the covid measures would be more effective in shutting down the virus and certainly the scenes from afghanistan, the border have played out as chaotic, but part of the trouble i think that's happening here for democrats and joe biden is that his absence allows that chaos to just exist and give the impression that he's not actually in charge of the country or that he's not actually running things from the white house, not to the degree that i think everyone should want when it comes to the president of the united states and have that confidence that he's in control and this isn't an administration effectively being run by underlings who may not be qualified to do the job. you saw the whole thing play out with secretary pete buttigieg and the supply chain issues, the feeling people have-- that there's no steady hand on the wheel and i think that's one all americans, not just republicans or critics should want to have in any president and commander-in-chief. howard: secretary pete buttigieg is on television more than joe biden and kamala harris combined and he's the transportation secretary. i agree with big tech and trump is a big critic of big tech and has a lawsuit and he still banned from facebook, instagram and twitter. mara, what the media says in response to what we just saw is that trump continues to say things that aren't true about the election, rigged election and so forth and he's not shy about insulting journalists personally, but at least reporters had a chance to challenge him virtually every day and sometimes several times a day and that he would be at the center of those stories. >> look, donald trump's theory of the president was media domination and that's what he felt like if you aren't on tv you are to live i mean that was his case. joe biden has a completely different theory of the case and i think that somewhere in the middle is probably more effective. in terms of the competence though, competence not communication in other words i don't know if talking to the press more would have made off get-- afghanistan less chaotic, but having a strong presence and having an image that you build for yourself as the president by being out there and communicating can help overcome those bombs. howard: when it comes to something like covid, you want to project a sense that you are in charge. no president can be a superhero, but you went to project that image. let me eat a break here brian kiilmeade. president biden says he's running again and much of the press is not convinced. ♪♪ switching wireless carriers is easy with xfinity. just lean on our helpful switch squad to help you save with xfinity mobile. they can help break up with your current carrier for you and transfer your info to your new phone. giving you a fast and easy experience that can save you hundreds a year on your wireless bill. visit your nearest xfinity store and see how the switch squad can help you switch and save. it's the xfinity black friday sales event. learn how to save up to $1000 on select phones by visitng your local xfinity store today. howard: suddenly there's a wave of stories about whether joe biden will run for reelection. the president says he will. jen psaki says he will, but much of the press are skeptical. >> in politics he has to say he's running for reelection whether he wants to or not, democrats are biting their nails, bracing for midterms a year from now i would just say a little perspective is worthwhile here. a lot can happen in three years. >> can you envision an effort to replace him at the top of the ticket? >> not if he wants to run for reelection, no. i think that is what sitting presidents get to make that decision. howard: that is just a flavor of the fact that many in the media are openly talking about whether president biden will run again at the age of 82 when we get to 2024. it's early to talk about this, but is the media skepticism and the political skepticism newsworthy? >> well, the fact that it's absurdly early is itself newsworthy, i mean, i think that many people anticipated we would be having this conversation as a joe biden got older and approached a point where serious decisions needed to be made. i don't think a lot of people thought we would be having these conversations before the end of his first year as president, which itself tells you that a lot of democratic strategists and a lot of experts internally are sounding alarm bells about what they see as being a real risk factor for him running for reelection. now, the talk of kamala harris and secretary pete buttigieg being on a ticket together in 2024, that also strikes me as absurdly early but i think there is unawareness that they will probably have to crowd some potential competitors out of any kind of primary that plays out in a competitive fashion and they are trying, i think, to get ahead of the story before it starts to take on a life of its own in the coalition. howard: mara, i don't think joe biden knows and it will depend on a combination of his political health and medical health, but even if he harbors doubt wouldn't it be political malpractice to say so? >> of course. we had this interesting situation where both parties, the people who are guaranteed to have the nomination, if they won it, joe biden and donald trump, there is doubt about whether they actually will run. joe biden the oldest sitting president. there is obvious reasons to wonder if he wants to run again. same thing with donald trump. does he want to run and lose again, we don't know so that's why this chatter is happening and also because his numbers have dropped. also because he is a vice president who's historically pretty unpopular. howard: she unfairly gets bad press. >> she does. howard: she partially does. she partially can be politically clumsy. >> i always say there is too many hours to fill with stuff to talk about and you got to talk about something and this is a war in the democratic, not just whether or not whether he will run, but people are worried he's the only person that could be donald trump. howard: on that point when we go to the republican side and trump has given every indication he will run and his team put leaked to political and memo showing him ahead of biden in five key states. is the press anymore certain even though donald trump could absolutely easily win the republican nomination that he will do this at the age of 78 >> i don't think there's any certainty there, but i think that is something trump actually enjoys. i think he enjoys being in the conversation, playing the game on will he or won't he and i think that level of enjoyment doesn't exist on the democratic side because they have so many different risk factors involved particularly given how much further left their agenda has turned out to be then i think a lot of people expected under joe biden and whether there's going to be someone potentially in 2024 who comes along and mounts a presidential primary either to biden or kamala harris or the like if they feel like they are unpopular enough they can take them on. that to me will be a really interesting conversation to have a year from now after the midterms when we will be , i think, in a different political landscape. howard: i think it's kind of a self-fulfilling prophecy, which is if it biden had not dropped by 15 points since the summer i don't think there would be as much a chatter, but the chatter itself i think reinforces the notion that biden is politically weak and of course there are questions about a guy who will be 82 as we never had a president that old so to wrap this up, mara, you talked about what does this say about political journalists that there is as much air time being filled an election three years away? >> i think it's too bad that sometimes there's more heat than light is great to speculate about stuff like this. there's a lot of other things to cover. howard: but, is it about negotiations with joe manchin over the bill-- >> just not as interesting, not as click worthy as to whether joe biden will run again and whether donald trump will run. >> of course there's a little bit of a bubble here inside the beltway. great conversation. ben domenech, mara liasson, thank you for joining us. ahead, brian kiilmeade on the brian-- kyle rittenhouse case. up next, the new virus variant. 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>> i get a sense a lot of folks are saying here we go again wondering if we will say you have to stay home, you can spend the holidays with your family. hanukkah starts tonight and christmas is around the corner so what will the government do next and i think a lot of folks are saying maybe just pump the brakes and figure out what you know about the new variant and then figure out how to deal with it and also acknowledge how many people have been vaccinated. you have antiviral pills coming from merck and pfizer soon, so we are a lot better off than other countries around the world so maybe it's too early to push the panic button. howard: this reminds me of the early days of the pandemic when just a few cases in various countries would make news and none of us thought it would turn into this global pandemic. some people at fox are saying there's a south african dollars-- doctors that say symptoms are mild and that may be the case but it my turn out like the delta variant which is surged this summer and in some cases it doubled the average number of daily new cases in america. we don't know, but it's a reminder 40% roughly of americans remain at not fully vaccinated. >> absolutely and we should give credit to south african government for being fully transparent saying we have a problem and here's what we know. if china had done that in the beginning then maybe we would have been in better shape or better prepared, but i think there are lots of americans out there now who are vaccine-- rather covid fatigued and they are glad they are vaccinated, but covid fatigued and worried about what the next steps may be and how this could impact their daily lives again. howard: already seeing that they if there will be locked out or more mask mandates and that has not been officially suggested. anthony found she on abc this morning said it was too early to say, so part of me says here we go again back to the political debate and ultimately these are political decisions and the media could be pumping this up and again, this will look very different in a week or two for better or for worse. >> we will get more data when we get a better sense of what this omicron variant is about and when you hear mild symptoms from a south african-- south african expert you hope it is the case and there have been other variants, but some have not made a huge impact and hopefully that will be the case with this one, but when you hear that it could be more contagious there's concern, so the government is on it and we are doing our best to present the best possible information, but there's plenty we just don't know at this point. howard: journalists are, in fairness, including the caveat about this for example i talk about the "new york times" headline and fit paragraph sites caution and that little is known about the new variant and only a small number of confirmed cases have surfaced globally, but when you put in that in the fourth or fifth paragraph and yet people see it every hour on the news, top of the front page as they are today, they may hear it must be a big deal because the media is all over it and i think some people will blame the media for fear mongering. >> you hear all these different mutations and whether the vaccine will protect and this stuff so a lot of people are fearful because they have been through a year and half of this nearly two years. howard: they are sick of it. >> yeah and there's a lot of covid fatigued and obviously people had the first holiday back with her family and they want that continue throughout the winter holidays as well, so we are obviously watching to see what happens. howard: this is a tight rope acting we have to report the facts as we know them and we have to be careful about not going too far and we are familiar with that dilemma by now. mike emanuel, good to see you. next, kyle rittenhouse meets with donald trump and accuses the media of convicting him with falsehoods. brian kilmeade is on the case. >> ...and lots of opportunities. >> so, what are you waiting for? >> apply now... >> ...and make a difference. >> singers: ♪ safelite repair, safelite replace. ♪ >> man, i love that song! howard: after kyle rittenhouse was found not guilty of homicide in kenosha, we spoke that she spoke to tucker carlson about president biden refusing to retract the suggestion that the 18-year old is a white supremacist and about the media coverage of his trial. >> mr. president, i would urge you to go back and watch the trial and understand the facts before you make a statement. its actual malice, defaming my character for him to say something like that. it's-- >> a lot of people on television have said that. >> is actually quite exterior go how no one can go back and look at the facts of the case. he crossed state lines, false. he's a white supremacist, false. none of that is true and the lies that they can just get away with spreading is a sickening and its disgrace to this country. howard: i spoke earlier with brian kilmeade, cohost of fox & friends and author of the new book the president and the freedom fighter, abraham lincoln, frederick douglass and their battle to save america's soul. brian, welcome. >> thanks, how we, for having me on a. howard: kyle rittenhouse used his tucker interview to chastise president biden into denounce the media coverage of his case and also said he supports black lives matter-- black lives matter. can you blame him for punching back at the press? >> i can't. you know what i was impressed with and i know i would not have been able to do that at 18 years old, he didn't say mr. biden, when an apology, you better go back and walk that back or i'm going to sue you. he said, watch the trial. mr. president, i urge you to watch the trial. it's something that should not have been prosecuted and i thought he shows intelligence, how deliberate he was a guy thought he was calm and never lost his temper and now an all-encompassing interview. you knew roughly where tucker was going. you can't say the lawyers reverse that, so mr. president, i urge you to watch the trial. i like that. howard: i have been kind of on a rampage about how unfair the whole case has been going back more than a year, but what's even more shocking to me is how some pundits continue to call him a murderer, continue to call him a white supremacist even after the acquittal. how can they essentially ignore the jury's verdict? >> it's interesting. i think about guys like you especially a media critic who just sees the approach, not so much the content but the approach to the story and i never saw more networks be looser with the facts about a trial than this ever. i'm talking about face the nation who has since walked things back, i'm talking about james madison university, morning for the death of black victims excuse me, all the victims were white. white supremacists was a picture taken with by chance picture with someone he did not even know was a proud boy. i don't even know a white supremacist, i know little about them, but his own lawyer at the time, lynwood, who is an abomination it seems said take a picture with this guy. that doesn't mean he's a white supremacist and as you look at the story it's easy to say hey jump to conclusions and the more i think about this, but that was not the case at all. this kid ends up being a kid, 17, 18 on trial, 80 plus days in jail and now, we find out unnecessarily because money was raised to get him out and unable to shower for 80 days because of lack of running water and then he's out and finds out he should have been out all along and had the wrong lawyers and in the end other media outlets prestigious media outlets totally mischaracterize who he is. whoopi goldberg called him a murderer again even though the jury said something different. howard: she was not the only one as if that acquittal didn't happen. kyle rittenhouse visited donald trump after the trial and the former president said, told sean hannity there should not have been a trial. >> really a nice young man and what he went through, he-- that was prosecutorial misconduct he should not have had to suffer through a trial for that. howard: i criticized president biden for saying he's angry about the verdict because to me and undermines the justice system when the press b is justified in criticizing trump for undermining the trial for ripping the trial from the pro rittenhouse i? >> i think in a way, but one is to did announce the outcome and the other one is to say they should not even have had the trial to begin with and wasn't really a negative on the jury, not a negative on the judge, wasn't it negative on rittenhouse in particular it was a negative on the prosecutor at the time in wisconsin. howard: you also said before the verdict you thought the trial was a waste of time, i mean, two people are dead, why should that go to a jury? >> i'm not saying i agree with the president. i'm saying i don't really look at the president as putting his hand on the scale in this process where that candidate joe biden came out and basically called him a white suppressed buses and tweeted to doubt prior to the trial which could skew a jury and making a comment afterwards when asked about it i would put that in a different category and i feel pretty comfortable in saying that. howard: lets talk about your book to what drew you to write about abraham lincoln and frederick douglass and their relationship and do you see parallels in today's politics? >> absolutely and when you write a book you want to be relevant with the news and that's one reason i said after 2005, not going to do a sports book anymore. i thought i was just going to tap into people's passion for history, usually people watch our channel and have a passion for history but i had no idea by tackling frederick douglass and lincoln i would be ripping these stories from the news and some of the issues on race were more extreme obviously as we are on the cusp in the middle of the civil war, but when you talk about america's past, racial past, no one makes apologies for slavery. i bring out frederick douglass description of life and savory. no one's talking about it, but incomes the subject called crt and the mischaracterizing people critical of him saying you are trying to duck slavery in america on racial bias in america, when we started as a country, no one is ducking that. it's how you view it today saying a white kid in first grade is no oppressor and a black kid is a victim and also in the back of my mind i'm running across frederick drug was who wrote his biography six years after escaping freedom and most of his friends as a kid a lot of them were white and he made this assumption saying i was convinced that kids don't see color, at the same time i'm looking at the news reading this stuff about crt. why can't these parents at the school board meeting say i'd don't want my kid focused on race and these issues as a kid and knowing frederick douglass did the same thing in 1850? that's what makes the book relevance in these two men extraordinary. howard: i was struck by your reporting that a couple of days after lincoln's election douglass spoke at a temple in boston causing a riot so there's a lot here that i-- >> in the north. howard: in boston. brian, great to see you. thanks for joining us. >> how we, thanks for the time. howard: brian will be speaking next weekend in clearwater florida. after the break abc correspondent jonathan carlson is the media just couldn't hide their animosity towards donald trump. that's next. ♪♪ so, we want kisqali. living longer is possible and proven with kisqali when taken with a nonsteroidal aromatase inhibitor in premenopausal women with hr+, her2- metastatic breast cancer. kisqali is a pill that's significantly more effective at delaying disease progression versus a nonsteroidal aromatase inhibitor alone. kisqali can cause lung problems or an abnormal heartbeat, which can lead to death. it can cause serious skin reactions, liver problems, and low white blood cell counts that may result in severe infections. tell your doctor right away if you have new or worsening symptoms, including breathing problems, cough, chest pain, a change in your heartbeat, dizziness, yellowing of the skin or eyes, dark urine, tiredness, loss of appetite, abdomen pain, bleeding, bruising, fever, chills, or other symptoms of an infection, a severe or worsening rash, are or plan to become pregnant, or breastfeeding. avoid grapefruit during treatment. kisqali is not approved for use with tamoxifen. ask your doctor about living longer with kisqali. howard: donald trump's war with the press has never really ended and some say it's escalated as he refuses to concede the election. i spoke about that and much more with jonathan karl, abc chief washington correspondent jonathan, welcome. >> thank you. great to be here. howard: your book quotes something from your last book about donald trump and all too often news organizations aided and abetted the effort to undermine the free press openly displaying how much they detest this president. has that eroded our correct-- collective credibility particularly for the large chunk of the country that doesn't hate donald trump? >> i think that it did and that's why i wrote what i wrote. i think that for a chunk of the nation tuning in and watching particularly on cable news would look up and see reporters, news organizations that seemed to have an open hostility towards the president and i think that was an issue and i think that trump kind of helped fuel that, i mean, it was his strategy. as you recall, steve bannon telling the "new york times" and the first few weeks of the trump presidency that the media was the real opposition, not the democrats, the media. howard: i think that became more true as time went on at least it looked like it and look, at times the press had to be tough on president biden on a certain issues, but can anyone really say that the coverage now anywhere approaches the hostility of the trump years? >> well, no, but it's an entirely different environment, i mean, it's one thing when you have a president, which we had in the case of donald trump first of all declare war on at the free press i mean called a free press the enemy of the people and, i mean, there was a certain intention there. for first press secretary as you recall was someone who had open hostility towards the people in the briefing room, that was something we had not really quite seeing to that degree before and then there's the question of the truth and it's just true that donald trump repeatedly said from the very early days of his presidency until the very end things that were not true over and over and over again. howard: we will come back to that, but first i want to ask you trump who said nice things about your work in the past is set down with you for so many times and now as you know he says you are a third-rate reporter. >> i'm not-- i think part of it is he likes the attention and also has a real belief in his own ability to convince people of his point of view and i also think that he knows for all of his criticism he has had a me over the years, he's also as you pointed out said nice things about me because he knows that i have stuck to the facts. i have treated him fairly even when he's complaining, he knows that if there's coverage he doesn't like it's because i followed the facts. he has known me for, i mean, going on 25, more than 25 years. and when he brought me down to the first interview i did for the book, he had the interview take place in the middle of the lobby, beautiful ornate lobby right before dinner time and i think he wanted people to see that he was being interviewed. howard: he did that once with me during the campaign at trump towers. making a lot of news including trump's on the record, to you about the hang mike pence chant on january 6, when he said these people were very angry and it's common sense what is vice president should've done with the results. what was your reaction when he said this while you are your tape recorder was running? >> i was blown away in real-time, i mean,-- the context is important because we had been talking about january 6, and i was asking him about that day. you remember the tweet he did at the end of the evening of january 6, where he said remember this day forever and i said what did you mean by that and he went on this description of a beautiful day. he really thinks-- at least the way he was describing it to me, that it was one of the greatest days of his presidency. that's not because rioters of storm to the capital. he's really talking about the speech he gave and the rally in the way people turned out from all over the country. he told me it was the biggest crowd he had ever spoken before, i mean, that's not true, but it was a very very large crowd and the way he saw was people come from across the country to fight for him at a time when he believed that a lot of republicans in elected office were not fighting for him, so he looks at that day fondly and when it turned to pence, i was surprised at the lack of empathy or concern and really justifying the anger of those calling for pence's execution is. howard: in a moment why jonathan karl says much of the country does not believe the media when it comes to the trump claims of a rigged election. ♪♪ [ sigh ] not gonna happen. that's it. i'm calling kohler about their walk-in bath. my name is ken. how may i help you? 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