what they saw right before gabby petino disappears. this is outnumbered i'm emily compagno i'm joined by co-host harris faulkner and kayleigh mcenany and host of kennedy on fox business kennedy and in the center seat today host of varney and co on fox business and host of american built stuart varney. now, as gabby petino's feel prepares for her memorial on sunday, her stepfather built a stone cross at the exit site where her remains were found at a camp site in wyoming this as police still try to locate gabby's boyfriend brian laundrie who they are now calling a person of interest in the case. divers are now using sonar equipment in the swampy area of a florida wilderness park where laundrie's parents say he headed before he disappeared. we are staking out the parents' home and tried to get a statement from them earlier today. watch. >> do you have anything to say gabby petino's family? >> emily: but laundrie's parents aren't talking. revealing that his family went on a camping trip inside a small camper just after he returned alone without petino. the neighbors are talking. that camper is still outside their home. >> the parents going on a trip, i can see that but taking their 23-year-old son in a small camper that's on the back of the truck struck us as odd. >> emily: odd, indeed. stuart varney, welcome back. and tell us your thoughts on this unfolding, unfortunate and potentially tragic situation. >> well, my heart goes out to gabby's parents. i'm a parent myself. i have got six children and i distinctly remember many years ago one of my young children going missing. it was just for a couple hours. it turned out to be not a serious thing at all. for those couple of hours i knew that sinking feeling in a parent's heart. you know that one of your offspring, your child is nowhere to be found and the worry is intense and frankly, execution creating. that's my perspective here. the perspective of a parent looking at another parent who is suffering mightily through this dreadful ordeal. that's where i'm coming from. heart break for the parents. fellow feeling for the parents. that's me. >> emily: and, kennedy, what stuart is describing for the empathy and compassion for the loss of parents. that's what also makes the behavior of brian laundrie's parents so confounding because we have yet to see any iota of empathy compassion on their part. they are going on their daily business and protecting their son. >> kennedy: that is what is most glaring and got to be frustrating and heart breaking for the family because this is a woman that they knew. gabby petino lived in their home. this is someone engaged to their son. they have shown no compassion at all whatsoever publicly or it appears privately to her family that makes you think what did they know? what did their son tell them? what can you glean? when you have a situation like this, it's pretty obvious a park ranger who had met gabby for a couple minutes warned her about the relationship. if she knew just from the little bit of interaction how toxic it was, you know that she was warned by her family and friends. she was worried about by her mom and dad and stepdad and as those days grew that they didn't hear from her, they feared the worst. and i'm sure that, you know, brian laundrie has exhibited all sorts of behavior over his life that made his parents pause with concern. but they weren't helpful to local police. they weren't helpful to the fbi. did they load up the camper with all sorts of supplies so their son could get out of dodge and escape justice and, you know, at least a conversation with law enforcement so, yes, the lack of compassion is glaring and totally, totally unacceptable. it's heartless. >> emily: harris, it's interesting because as we learn about everyone sort of piece of the pie their exposure to the couple. different jurisdictions everyone from park rangers to local law enforcement to federal agents. >> harris: people in restaurants. >> emily: yeah. right. >> harris: a lot of people saw this couple. >> emily: yes. and so my point is that everyone has this small slice of the pie. and many of them seem to warn her. seem to acknowledge just that tiny moment what a troubled relationship it was. but, at the same time, gone out of a relationship and find out afterwards your friend and family are like i never liked the guy. why didn't you tell me about those red flags? i wonder as well how many of those tiny moments how much of it was communicated or if it was, did she even hear it. >> harris: i don't know how they could have kept that under wraps. when you hear about the people from the restaurant and reports of gabby after this blowout explosive behavior of brian inside that restaurant, her going back in there to apologize for his behavior and by the way i don't have those people in my life. i have been married for a long time even when i was single and dating people couldn't wait to tell me i was dating a loser. [laughter] my parents, what are you doing? i don't know any quiet souls in my life. i will say this because i want to piggy back on something that kennedy touched on, the behavior of brian laundrie's parents at this point. stuart, they, too, have conceivably can't find their child. right? stuart stuart yep. >> harris: i would be eating the microphone trying to get the word out about my baby brian, he may be blah blah blah blah blah. but i'm his mom. we aren't hearing anything. i don't know, maybe that's what the attorney is saying. but day by day by day we are on the fifth day looking for brian laundrie now. it's glaring now. i mentioned it yesterday. it seems like a bigger point now that the parents are not out there, yes, you are right, emily, expressing whatever they would express, compassionately for the loss of gabby petino. but what about the missing son unless, of course, they know exactly where he is. stuart stuart how closely have the parents -- laundry's parents how closely and intensely have they been questioned? they know something about this, presumably. i'm sure they have got a lawyer. are they being shielded in some way? because it's obvious. you press them hard because they may know something about not only their son but gabby. i'm not a lawyer. i don't know these things, but surely they are, pressed. >> emily: that's exactly right, stuart, they have. it remains to be seen what indeed was said between them in law enforcement that will be released to the public but what we're looking at right now is that infamous camper alongside the mustang that the parents of brian laundrie indicated he had driven out there. was a note found on it they say it was driven to a particular place in the park that subsequent to that law enforcement has expended tremendous resources trying to uncover or trying to locate him and kayleigh we have spent a lot of time talking about the behavior of the parents. but what about the behavior of brian himself? >> kayleigh: it's a great question. let me focus on something daily mail reporting they gabby's friend only friend in the area because brian wouldn't allow her to have friends is what the friend said. the friend went on to say that brian i had gabby's i.d. to keep her from going to bars. hid it from her. the friend describes his behavior this way: he has got these jealousy issues and he struggles from what gabby called these episodes where he would hear things and hear voices and wouldn't sleep. gabby had to stay at my house a bunch of times because he needed a breather and didn't wanted to go home to him. about 7 to 10 times she slept at rose's house. rose said on iphone they had location services public plugged in for one another so each other were okay. a smart thing for any young woman to do. brian made gabby turn off the location services on her phone. he was very controlling, that's evident. enough about brian. i'm sick of talking about brian. let's tabs a moment to talk about gabby. since she was 12 she had within going to the surf shop. the surf shop we have only known her as smiley really sweet girl. never come into the store without a big smile. another friend said she made a mark on anyone she came into contact with if not a quick interaction. not only shine as light on everyone but spreads the light. she is so creative and artistic and talented and sweet. and the world loves you, gabby, and we all miss you says her mother. >> harris: shed light about that catcher but not to step in here. i want to make it clear understand why we are so focused on that right now. that is such an important part of the investigation at this moment. for the first time we have our cameras on the ground we can kind of get a better look. the neighbors have described this camper coming into view shortly before the family went on some kind of camping trip. imagine the fiancee or girlfriend of your son has gone missing. you don't know where she is. but you are going on a camping trip with brian and you are going to load that thing up. we don't know what was in it. were they as kayleigh said earlier or kennedy? were they taking supplies for brian to be able to hang out some place? we don't know. but, in the middle of an investigation they gave this camper back to the family today. and in the middle of an investigation, that gray mustang, which we believe brian drove to the teton national park. we don't really know. do we know? >> emily: we have been told that. >> harris: we have been told that we weren't there. the dad was allowed to drive that piece of evidence in a crime scene, potentially, back to the house. emily, i have so many questions. like i remember having an apartment broken into years ago by a guy who was stocking me ane stuff was taken out of my apartment that had only to do with me and i couldn't get it back for weeks. i know every case is different but what do you say about that as an attorney. >> emily: so shocking to me i too have had clients with their belongings in the possession of the federal government literally for years who have still not had it returned to them nonviolent crimes. yet, this is just parked in the front yard for all to see. i have so many questions as well. i think obviously we will -- as information is released we will learn more. i think the common theme of our ongoing conversation is that there are more questions than answers. and, unfortunately, a lot of the those questions are about how this is being handled and managed. and i hope that our concerns are reassured. kennedy, i want to give you the very quick final word as the mother of two teenage daughters in terms of what kayleigh was talking about that controlling, terrifying behavior that brian laundrie has exhibited according to witnesses. can you just share your perspective on that, briefly? >> yeah. it's tough because you don't want to push your children away. you know, you can't force them to break up with someone is bad for them. and it's really tough and all you can do is have a supportive and as open of a relationship as you possibly can with your kids. so you talk about everything from a young age. and, you know, it's like she seems like such a great girl and it's absolutely tragic that she got mixed up with a guy like that. we have all known people like that. we have all known sociopaths like that in our lives. and i hope that he is still alive. i hope he hasn't taken the cowardly route out because her family needs some justice. her family needs answers and so does law enforcement, frankly. >> emily: amen. just ahead growing questions how many migrants the biden administration has released back into the u.s. as thousands of haitian migrants live in a third world conditions. stay with us. the newday two and a quarter refi is the lowest rate in their history. two and a quarter percent. just 2.48 apr. these rates could cut thousands off your mortgage payments every year. with their two and a quarter refi, there's no money out of pocket and no upfront fees. newday's holding the line on those low rates so every veteran family can save. i brought in ensure max protein, with thirty grams of protein. those who tried me felt more energy in just two weeks! 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>> well, i think what's important to note here and you gave me an opportunity to do this, is there is broad unity about the importance of, again, lowering costs for americans, whether it's child care, elder care, the cost of college, cost of pre-k. that's all a part of the discussion. child tax credit. there is broad agreement that we need to do more to address the climate crisis. there is extensive proposals both in the infrastructure package as well as in the reconciliation package. a big part of what we are talking about here, which is not a secret to all of you, are the size of the package, right? there are a range of different vunts on that. that's part of what the discussion is and that will certainly impact what we -- as we look toward how we are going to unify moving forward. go ahead. >> thanks. so following up, follow up on the budget. is the white house okay with any of the financing options that are still on the menu? >> well, our bar has always been from the beginning nothing that would raise taxes on anyone making less than $400,000 a year. and certainly we wouldn't support anything that would. but this again is a menu and a range of options. it's an important step forward, a sign progress. but there is no question there is a lot of work ahead that will proceed over the rest of the day and the days ahead. >> but the president has green lit all the choices on the menu we are talking about. >> again, yes. it's a range of options. and the next step is to have a discussion with a range of members about the path forward. >> and then on we saw u.s. special envoy [inaudible] presiding. he has strong words he said it would not be associated with the united states inhumane counter production decision to deport thousands of haitian refugees. why would dhs go ahead of a plan against special envoy's advice? >> well, let's take a step back here for a element no. i would also first note that the state department put out a statement on his resignation, he was obviously an employee of the state department and, of course, of the administration. first, i would note there have been multiple senior level policy conversations on haiti. were all proposals including those led by special envoy were fully considered that rigorous policy process there are disagreement in these policy processes. the president welcomes that the secretary of state welcomes that. that's certainly a part of having discussions and having robust discussions about the best path forward for difficult circumstances. some of those proposals were harmful to our commitment to the promotion of democracy in haiti. i'm not going to detail further. i will let the state department do that should they choose to. but i would note that special envoy foot had ample opportunity to raise concerns about migration during his tenure. he never once did so. now, that's wasn't his purview. his purview was of course being the special envoy on the ground. his positions were and his views were put forward. they were valued. they were heard. different policy decisions were made in some circumstances. >> we have heard from democrats on capitol hill, too. say they are really against these mass deportations. the white house still stands behind the mass deportations? you still view them as humane? >> first of all, they are not deportations. people are not coming into the country through legal methods. and, again, our policy process has continued to be the same with haiti as it is for anybody coming through an -- for their regular migration across our border. i would note, as i did yesterday, that as we have applied our border restrictions, as we have applied our immigration policies, there were more than 90,000 people who deport parted the country who attempted to cross our border in the month of august. that was even before we saw the horrible photos that we saw of people gathering under the bridge there is a process that is in place as people whether they're come from haiti or any part of the world goes through. go ahead. >> we haven't yet heard recently from president biden specifically about these images on the border. you have described him as saying that they are horrible but what does he believe the comparisons being made between his administration and the trump administration? we saw congresswoman maxine waters saying today this is trump's policy. several other democrats are saying this looks like the previous administration. what does he think of those comments? >> well, what our role is and what the president has asked his outreach team, members of his national security team, homeland security team to do, is to explain clearly what our policy is and what our policy is not. we could not see it as any more different from the policy of the prior administration, which the president feels we all feel was inhumane, immoral, ineffective, not operationally, wasn't operationally working and because of the dysfunction of it, we have led to a very broken system that we're dealing with today. he has asked all of us to convey clearly people understandably have questions, are passionate. are concerned as we are about the imams that we have seen, is, one, we feel those images are horrible and horrific. there is an investigation. the president certainly supports overseen by the department of homeland security which he has conveyed will happen quickly. i can also convey to you that the secretary also conveyed to civil rights leaders earlier this morning that we would no longer be using horse information del rio, so that is something a policy change that has been made in response. but, separately, all related, it's also important for people to understand what our process and our immigration process is. and what the steps are that are taken. we are still under title 42. because we are in a global pandemic. so we are still operationalizing that if people are not expelled under that then there are a range of options. either they are put into an alternative to detention whereby owe metric data is required. they are required to they're given a notice to appear or they're put in an ice facility. this is the process that is ongoing and has happened for every other migrant who has attempted to come irregularly across the border. >> if i could ask one follow-up on the budget. what is it about the nearly five hours of meetings yesterday that gives president biden hope? >> well, i think what gist him hope is that there is agreement about the need to do more to address costs for the american public, whether it's child care, elder care, the cost of college, pre-k. there is also agreement that there is more that needs to be done to make our tax system more fair. there are important discussions and certainly there are people -- there are differences of opinion of on what the size of the pang should look like. those are important discussions. but he felt encouraged by how constructive the conversations were? he is going to have his sleeves rolled up and he will be very engaged moving forward. >> what will be happening this snafn who is he planning on meeting with here at the white house. >> we are still finalizing specifics but i think there will be members who are working to see if there can be meetings at the staff level at this point as a follow-up to yesterday. >> at a staff level the president will not be meeting with lawmakers today. >> we will see, jeff. the president is always open to meeting with discussing, communicating with lawmakers, but, as yesterday is evidence of. but he just met with a broad range of members yesterday. there's a lot of work that needs to continue that can happen with senior staff members. but, i don't think anything has been finalized quite yet. we are happy to keep you updated if it does. go ahead and i promised i would jump around today so after you all jump around and come back. >> thanks, jen. after yesterday's meeting senator schumer -- manchin said that the president was very straightforward with he and other attendees about what he expected of them. and that the president said just give me a number that can you live with and what you want. but the progressives have been so clear about their number does he have any reason to believe because they are willing to come down from 3.5 trillion? >> well, this is what a negotiation looks like. this is what compromise looks like, and ultimately, the president also wants to see a robust package that will help lower costs for the american people across the country. you need the votes to get that forward. that is how the process works in congress. this is democracy in action. so, his role yesterday was meeting with a range of voices, hearing from them on what they're excited about, whereby they may have concerns. and trying to help be a unifier in moving the process forward. it wasn't that it ended yesterday there is a lot of work ahead which will proceed over the days ahead. >> they might come down. >> we will see. he always believed there would need to be a potential for compromise, would need to be what everybody would be open to. >> couple questions. are you doing anything to expedite the process of finding his replacement given his resignation. >> i don't have anything to point out to you what can i reiterate is we have an ambassador on the ground. we have robust presence on the ground. we have a newly installed assistant secretary for the western hemisphere all of whom have experience in the region and will certainly be overseeing the policy at this point in time. >> just one more. one of his concerns you [inaudible] is the haitian government is expressing an inability to provide for the migrants that are returning there because of a lack of basic resources. dhs has said that the u.s. will provide support for those people, for the haitian government to absorb deportees. can you provide any specific details about that support? >> sure. well, first, let me say because this is a question has he been asked that we are working with the international organization on migration to ensure that returning haitian migrants are met at the airport and provided immediate assistance. so that's in the most immediate. in terms of the range of assistance we have provided, let me just give you a quick overview of what we have done sort of to date. u.s. agencies led by u.s. ad recently provided additional $32 million in new assistance to support earthquake response efforts and humanitarian relief. this funding builds on the uaa disaster response teams in january we announced 75.5 million in bilateral development and health assistance for a wide range of issues for haiti that we're still working with them, of course, on to deploy. that's a large amount of money. so, i would say we are continuing to provide a range of assistance. but the recent 32 million is in response to the earthquake that happened over the summer. go ahead. >> just on the infrastructure package, having had these meetings yesterday, does the president think the house should vote on the infrastructure bill in the beginning of next week or does he think that there might be a benefit to waiting? >> the president is going to work closely with leadership to determine what the next best steps are. >> he also may need republican votes. does he intend to bring house republicans over to talk about infrastructure in the next few days? >> we are really deciding day by day on what can be most helpful and constructive to moving his agenda forward which includes each of these pieces of legs. --pieces of legislation. deciding day by day. >> a week away from the end of the fiscal year. today is the day the administration is going to suggest agencies develop contingency plans for funding lapse. i want to ask specifically about agencies within hhs, the cdc and the fda. years ago in 2013, when there was a government shut down, tom frieden who led the cdc described that period of time one of the worst in his tenure at the agency 8,000 cdc staffers were furloughed. do you have expect a similar dynamic to play out if there is a shut down this year in this pandemic or will there be different instructions to those critical agencies now? >> well, we are taking every step we can to mitt divat the impacts of a potential shut down on our pandemic response, economic recovery, or other priorities. the fact is shut downs are incredibly costly, disruptive and damaging. direct public health efforts can generally proceed during a shutdown because they're exempt and that is certainly our intention but large swawteds of the federal government coming to a screeching halt would certainly not be beneficial to pandemic response. but we are doing everything we can to mitigate. i would also say on the first part of your question, it's consistent with long standing practice across many administrations for omb to remind senior agency staff of the need to review and update orderly shut down plans. this is not formal guidance being given. it's a reminder we are seven days out and we need to be prepared, of course, in any event of any contingencies we see this as a routine step and one just to be prepared in any event of what could happen. >> theoretical but would the administration be in support of, let's just say a cut out, a cr just for health and human services, for other departments that are critical to the pandemic response? >> i don't think i'm going to speak to that steve. our objective here. there is a c.r. that passed. there is a debt limit that passed raising a debt limit that passed the house. the senate can ask to raise both of them and to ensure there is funding for a range of government programs. go ahead. and then i will jump more to the back. go ahead. >> my first question is on haiti and i have a question around that but, should the administration have been more prepared for these people to come, given the political unrest there this summer then the earthquake in mid august, given how conditions were on the ground there even before all of that and then kind of a second part of it is that the border patrol union has been saying that they had some warning within the administration as early as june that they were expecting an influx not of haitians but other migrants to del rio and that they needed more resources there did the administration not react on those things? were those not widely disseminated concerns? and then just kind of on the conditions of haiti couldn't the administration have expected that refugees were going to show up somewhere in these weeks? >> well, there is a range of factors here. it's hard to real gauge what percentage what each of those factors are obviously there are challenging circumstances on the ground in haiti with the government unrest. with the earthquake. there are also a number of smugglers who are taking advantage of this. and we have seen that over the course of the last couple of weeks. certainly we are aware of that reality. we have seen that in other parts of central america as well. but, you know, that's something that we have no doubt has contributed to a rapid influx of people who were told that they could come into the country and everything would be fine when clearly it's not. so all we can focus on at this point is what steps we're taking now to ensure there is an orderly and humane process. to say ensure that people who are there are treated with dignity. that they are going through a process of being considered for the range of options and that's what our focus has been on at this point in time. >> president biden ran on a promise to use government to help people and that he would be able to we would the powers of government effectively. but we have seen on a range of issues whether it's the pandemic, immigration, afghanistan, you know, missteps or places where the government trying to do its best hasn't necessarily been good enough. so, what do you say to a voter who might be saying i thought biden was going to know how to run this government but now we are looking at a potential government shut down in a week and a default on u.s. debt? >> i would say that every president is elected to weather storms and navigate crises. and they come to every presidency. and if you look at all of the things that you loaded into that question, all issues that are happening, of course, currently the president has been clear that he wanted to end a 20 year war in afghanistan. did he exactly that. that's something i would say the american public broadly supports. we have certainly acknowledged that there are aspects, of course, of how it was handled or how all of the events transpired that are not what we had planned for. i would say on other issues, we are doing everything we can to prevent a government shut down. and planning to prevent the impact that we have seen in the past that has been quite devastating on different components of government. we're right now in the midst of trying to get historic package that's going to address a lot of issues the american people care about across the finish line and making policy is messy. so we're right in the middle of that. so i would say to anyone who feels that way we're in the middle of navigating and weathering storms and dealing with crises. that's what a president should do. that's what an administration should do. we are not going to shy away from that. and that's what people elected him to get through. go ahead. >> also on building on just question. when you have maxine waters saying what these images and these policy has hearkens back to the slave trade. i mean, you are saying here that you are trying to communicate what the policy is. she and other democrats who are your allies and other, you know, political projects, are criticizing that very policy. isn't this a larger problem of, political problem for the president than just merely communicating what the title 42 policy is. >> not just about the title 42 policy. i think congresswoman waters and others, as are we, have been horrified by the photos of the border patrol officers and that behavior. and we have taken very specific action and launch an investigation ending a part of a policy that the secretary of homeland security felt was problematic. there has also been a view that we were handling our immigration policy in a different way than we were handling for other migrants across who were coming across the border. that's not true. and so what we have been doing is trying to explain what our policy and our process is. and reiterate to everyone that our objective is not to keep the policy as it is. which is not -- which is broken, which is not workable long term to work with people who are frustrated to put in place a new immigration policy. that is humane that is orderly, that does have robust asylum processing. but we have also reiterated that it is our objective to continue to implement what is law. and what our laws are and that includes border restrictions. go ahead. >> jen, in the spirit of explaining all of -- can you explain how the administration is determining who gets to come in and get processed under title 8 and get nta and who is getting expelled? on the ground reporting suggests demographic, not racial demographic but if you come in as a family, single adult, what have you? how is border patrol determining right now who actually gets to stay in and get processed and who gets expelled under title 42? >> sure. so across the border including in the dell rio sector, we continue to infight -- enforce title 42. families and single adults typically expelled under the cdc directive when possible. the determination of who can be expelled or not is determined by a unof in factors including the makeup of the specific family unit, some people with kids who are younger than a certain age are not accepted back in certain countries. we know that from our immigration policy at large long before the last couple of weeks. and agreements with the country and as well as agreements with the country of origin or last residence. as you know, all of you have reported, this is not just a case of everyone coming directly from haiti. people are coming from different countries. some where they have lived for periods of time. family units are different. and so each is made on a case-by-case basis. another determining factor is detention capacity both within ice and cpb. those who are not expelled are reits placed removal proceedings or notice to appear and with backlogs may arrived they may be processed by alternate means which requires them to report to ice office to commence the next steps in their immigration proceedings. that's how the process works. >> dh is thus far has not given data on specificfully del rio those processed under title 8 and those processed under title 42. is there any breakdown that can you provide on that? >> i think they did provide yesterday and i think they are going to be providing regular updates and certainly this is something that is under their purview as you noted, that the department has conducted two repatriation flights yesterday. i will give you a little more than you asked for. so everybody has it with a total of 318 haitian nationals on board. these flights will continue since sunday september 19th. 12 repatriation flights left the united states. 1401 nation nationals have been returned to haiti. 3206 haitian nationals have been moved from the del rio camp to cbp custody or other sectors of the united states border either be expelled title 42 if possible or placed into removal proceedings. sometimes it requires a discussion in order to determine the path forward therefore they remain less than 5,000 migrants in the del rio sector. >> can i ask about police reform as well? obviously told those talks are dead. what's the white house strategy moving forward to try to rein in police departments? i know that the readout yesterday working with democrats both in the house and the senate. but what's the strategy also for the white house to work with republicans as well who did ask for more concessions when it came to these negotiations? >> well, i spoke to this quite a bit yesterday. but i'm happy to speak to it again. part of our objective is to communicate and work with a range of members activists and others who have been involved in pressing for reform, something the president strongly supports. that includes the consideration of executive action and certainly consider -- includes considering whether there is a path forward legislatively. obviously we just saw those talks break down just yesterday. so, those engagements need to resume but those are really the next steps in the process. karen, go ahead. >> thanks. getting back to the monday potential vote on infrastructure. you had said in response to ken's question that the president is working closely with leadership to determine what the next best steps are. but, what has he indicated he thinks the next best steps are? is he looking at monday as a hard deadline or would he be okay with that vote being delayed by a couple of weeks? >> again, he is somebody who has been through this process quite a few times before. and he is going to work in close consultation with leadership. that's when the vote is scheduled. we don't have any information to suggest that has changed. but our focus right now and really his focus is on finding common ground, working together to unify the caucus and the party around the path forward. >> and to follow up on that and what you said earlier about there is a lot of work that still needs to be done and the president sees himself as a unifier in this process moving forward, does he feel that he has to sit down in the same room with the moderates and the progressives? yesterday the meetings were separate. you explained why. does he think he needs to have all of those stakeholders together to actually november this process forward? >> we're going to determine i do by day what the right next steps are. yesterday he had meetings with voices. some have had different points of view. that's who he would democratic party part of democracy and determine day-by day what the next best steps are today it's follow up on staff level. >> kind of like a middle man. hearing for mat democrats and hearing from progressives. >> they are talking to each other as well. this is just his role in hearing from all of them. and playing a role that he can to unify points of view and finds the next best path forward. go ahead. >> thanks, a couple questions about haiti. the president has often used his bully pulpit during the most important times in his administration. why is he not using that bully pulpit to speak out forcefully himself on the treatment of haitians? >> i would say certainly i represented to you all his point of view. his point of view is also reflected in the actions that have been taken through the administration, including the investigation, including the change in policy. the secretary of homeland security oversees these efforts and has been quite outspoken and quite visible on what steps we should take moving forward. and he certainly may still speak to it. obviously, there is a lot of event happening here, including the u.n. general assembly, covid and others and i wouldn't rule that out. >> respectfully, i have a couple more questions. >> sure. >> respectfully, i understand that you are the spokesperson for the president. these are images that are traumatizing haitian americans that he promised to treat respectfully and with humanity. why isn't the president telling people himself these images that people say look like slavery are wrong. me as president, i as president condemn them. how is he not doing that why is he not doing that? and what are people to take away from the fact that he is not at the bully pulpit himself talking about these images. >> people should take away that his actions make clear how horrible and horrific he thinks these images are including an investigation. including a change of policy. including conveying clearly that this is not acceptable. and this -- he is not going to stand for this in the biden-harris administration. our actions make that absolutely crystal clear as have our engagements with a range of voices, a range of concerned advocates, members of congress and others who we want to communicate with. not just about our horror but also about what our immigration policy is moving forward. >> in his letter he called the press the u.s. policy inhumane, deeply flawed. does the president believe anything in this letter that [inaudible] saying rings true? has some sort of point that he believes is distrue? >> which aspects. >> he called the policy toward haiti inhumane. he said that -- >> -- he wasn't specific in his letter. what i noted earlier before. >> he was quite specific. >> let me finish. what i noted earlier before is that we have taken very specific actions as it relates to the horrific photos that we -- that are not -- we are not going to stand for in this administration. i don't know if he was referring to that or something else. that's why i asked -- raised the point his. >> what. >> let me finish. heir purview was not about migration. he didn't raise his concerns about migration privately. we respect his point of view. respect his ability to bring forward concerns, to raise ideas, to raise proposals. that's certainly something the president welcomes from everybody on his team. and something that he had the opportunity to do in range of meetings. we also have to make decisions here based on what we feel are going to help promote democracy in haiti. including haitian-led reforms, haitian-led steps on the ground to make changes in the country. >> there are also a number of people who say that he did raise concerns over the deportation of haitians and the treatment of haitians. are you saying that daniel foot is not tell the truth in this letter? >> i would point you to the state department who have conveyed in statement what i said. >> the last question is daniel foot, the former special envoy to haiti he is raising this idea that the u.s. should be listening to haitian civil society not backing the current prime minister who was not elected by the people. what's the president's response to that because members have been telling me and other reporters for months even before the assassination of the president, that president biden was not listening to the people of haiti about how to move forward their government. >> we support a haitian-led process charting the country's course through the current political situation. we don't back any one political group. and we continue to encourage all political stakeholders to engage in dialogue and find solutions together. and that has been our objective through all of our policy process-making throughout the course of this. in addition to providing a range of assistance, training, to people on the ground. go ahead. >> thanks, jen. a couple questions on covid. one having to do with masks and the airline. a little more than 4,000 incidents reported of unruly passengers. senator dick durbin has said that fines don't appear to be working. they don't appear to be working. he is calling for criminal charges. would the administration support that? >> that's not a policy decision we made. we obviously just announced the doubling of fines last week. and we're hopeful it will have an impact on people behaving in a safer way on flights. >> one more question on covid. when it comes to people who are resistant to vaccines, not hesitant but resistant, outside of mandates, is there any discussion going on. >> i will set you continue and ask. >> it going on about messaging and how to reach people who would just say i'm never going to take that vaccine. is there a new approach being discussed outside of the policies that's going to be new rules for the labor department i should be more specific. >> yeah. so, one i think if we go back to december, only about 30% of people in this country were willing to take a vaccine. now we're at over 75% of people who have received at least one dose. so, clearly, there has been progress made in addressing people's questions. addressing hesitancy or resistance. whatever it may be. and we have taken a range of steps not just the announcement made just last week about mandates prior to that part of that has been relying on local messengers. part of that has been making the vaccine broadly accessible to everybody in the country. making it as easy as humanly possible to get vaccinated. and we're going to continue to deploy those tactics as well. pause we have seen them as effective and we have seen them work in a range communities. getting us to a point of over 75%. >> [inaudible] >> sure. >> yesterday the president in his remarks mentioned working together with partners to increase global vaccine capacity including upcoming meeting with the squad. the one thing he did not mention is anything about supporting the trip waiver or wavering the technology w.h.o. which many experts say will be the game changer in terms of boosting global capacity. is there no longer a priority for the administration? >> well, he supported the troops waiver. excuse me. a process being led by our -- let me finish our ambassador it's an ongoing process. we said from the beginning it would be a lengthy process. i have not seen many advocates say this is the silver bullet and the thing that is going to provide everybody with vaccines around the world. we -- it's something the president supports, we support in this administration and there is an important global process that is ongoing. what we feel our role is also is not just providing as the world's biggest supplier provider of vaccines to the global community and more than any other country combined, but also working with our quad partners to produce at least one billion vaccine doses. boosting vaccine manufacturing in south africa to produce more than 500 million toes regiments in africa for africa and ensure we are increasing capacity around the world and increasing and sharing know how with the global community as well. all of these steps are essential and certainly we continue to support the trips waiver. i just want to get around to a bunch of people. >> thank you, jen. >> said dhs said they will not be sending migrants, i'm sorry migrants texas border to guantanamo. but there is still conflicting media reports about this. can you clarify whether or not the administration will send migrants at the border to guantanamo? >> we will not. there has never been a plan to do that. i think there was some confusion related to a -- the migrant operation center which is used -- has been used for decades to process migrants interdicted at sea for third country settlements. it went out public yesterday which caused some confusion because of the timing was posted in a typical routine first step contract renewal and unreality to the southern border. go ahead. >> thank you, jen. i have a question about the numbers you gave and the math. so there are 15,000 migrants under the del rio bridge saturday. if you add up the ones that you say were expelled or released it's less than 5,000. then there are 5,000 still left. where is everybody else? >> i'm happy to get you a more fruitful run down for you if helpful from the department of homeland security. >> okay. and when you talk about how some of these people are being placed in ryu moofl proceedings. that does not mean remove, correct? >> that means that they are in the process of going through a removal proceeding so that we can -- it can go through the process. our immigration process that's long been in place. >> we understand that basically most of these people that are going into removal proceedings are being put on either buses from del rio to el paso and laredo or being flown to tucson with no covid testing. unless they show symptoms. how is that helping anybody stop the spread? >> again, we have a protocol and process in police as it relates to covid in terms of testing and quarantining. and also vaccines are provided for a range of migrants by our partner organizations in the region. what is happening now is that as i outlined yesterday, is that if individuals cannot be expelled under title 42, they are placed in removal proceedings, as you referred to, that may -- that may require them being placed in ice detainment facilities or it may require being -- them being given a notice to appear whereby owe metric data and other data is taken. in terms of their transportation methods i certainly point you to the department of homeland security. >> but why should somebody, say, in laredo, texas, or el paso or tucson, arizona have to have their chance of catching covid go up because hundreds of miles away there is an open border? >> well, there certainly is not an open border. we are continuing to employ our immigration proceedings and process and we strictions at the border. and that includes the implementation of enforcing title 42, which is an authority, a public health authority. it includes moving people into either a process for expedited removal or removal proceedings. that is our immigration process that we are proceeding. >> a final follow up. you say the border is not open but we are told by our teams on the ground you guys are releasing pretty much all family units, couples where the woman says that she is pregnant or single women who say that they are pregnant and that nobody actually has to take a pregnancy test unless they want to. so, how. >> are you suggesting you don't believe when women say they are pregnant? is that a big issue we think at the border. >> i'm not in charge of keeping the border secured. you guys are. >> pregnant women are posing a big threat to the border. >> you tell me. >> to the border community is that a big issue. >> you tell me. >> i'm not aware of pregnant women being a big issue to people of concern at the border. what i will note for you, peter, is as i said earlier, there is a process if people cannot be expelled under title 42, for a range of reasons, some of that is because countries they came from or other countries including mexico may not be accepting families with children under the age of 7. they are placed in removal proceedings. those removal proceedings require them to either go to a detention facility or require them to go -- get a notice to appear and including providing their biometric data and otherwise so that they can be -- we ken sure we know where they are and we ken sure we know when they are going to come back. so, that's what the process is. if there is a big outrage about pregnant women, i'm not tracking it. >> steve: the issue is not about pregnant women. the issue is the border open or is the border close? because my understanding a lot of it is happening on this side of the border. >> i think you know the answer to that question i just conveyed clearly we are implementing our border restrictions including title 42. and including making clear that people who are coming through a regular migration that this is not the time to come and they will be placed in removal proceedings. go ahead. >> hi, jen, yesterday minority leader mcconnell and senator scott had a held in conference in which they essentially argued. democrats control the white house and both chambers of congress. so it's completely on them to raise the debt ceiling. do you have any response to that and does a debt ceiling fight, does that complicate the president's ability to get his agenda passed and deal with some of these other crises he is handling. >> let's just take a step back here. so these same republicans, including leader mcconnell or former leader mcconnell, no longer leader, including senator mcconnell who felt during the trump administration that we could absolutely not risk defaulting, that would be devastating to our economy, i can provide you the quotes. i have the receipts. he at the same time, feels that way or they all feel that way but they are refusing to vote to increase the debt limit. so, what are we doing here exactly? they are playing with the faith and credit of the united states treasury. this is not a game to the president. this is our economy. this is not about partisanship. this is about doing what has been done 80 times in the past and raising the debt limit. including three times under the last administration. even after $2 trillion in touch tax cuts that were unpaid for were passed. so, that's my comment on that. what was the other piece of your question? >> pete: does that complicate -- if you have to have a debt ceiling fight and we are going to have the economic turmoil that those fights bring on, does that complicate the ability to get some of the other things that you are working on done, reconciliation package, dealing with covid-19, dealing with border, all these things? >> sure. well, i would say in terms the legislative agenda, our ideal would be for the senate to vote and pass the cr that included raising the debt limit that the house passed earlier this week. let's move on. do what we have done 80 times in the past. let's ensure that people can have confidence and faith and credit of the united states. that would be our preference. so, certainly spending time on that, having people worry about whether the government shut down which we are working to prevent, having people, businesses, economic experts, the american people, worry about the debt limit. that's not our ideal. we think we should be able to avoid that and certainly that would allow more time to move on with the rest of the agenda whether it's confirming nominees. getting the rest of the agenda passed whatever it may be. >> you mentioned the agents involved in videos they have been placed on administrative leave. >> yeah. >> have you laid out policy changes. what repercussions though once an investigation is completed could those agents face if it's determined that they had committed wrongdoing? would they be fired? would there be transfer? can you just talk about some of the repercussions that after we get past the leave and the investigation? >> sure. well, the secretary of homeland security made clear he wants that investigation to be completed by next week and part of that process will be determining what happens on a personnel level, also on a policy level even though he conveyed today one of the policy steps that will be taken. so i'm not going to get ahead of that process. that's why the process in place and i'm sure once it's complete we will have more to say. would. >> thank you, jen. something about the travel restrictions. >> okay. >> starting in and beginning of november. >> yeah. >> people from 33 countries, for instance, iran, where 15% of the population is fully vaccinated or brazil 39%. india 15%. and then we look at canada 71% of people are fully vaccinated and still the border will remain closed. so obviously, it's not a. >> people can fly from canada, right? >> yes but they can't drive through the border. it's not easy to drive from iran or from europe. >> that's true. >> much easier. >> fair point. >> people are fully vaccinated it's not a health decision because if it was, we would -- i mean, canada is -- within the first 15 country most fully vaccinated in the world. >> well, land restrictions as you know have been renewed through, i think about october 1st. but we are continuing to evaluate and make policy decisions. i would say that it is a health decision by requiring vaccinations. and we wanted to do it in a way that was equitable. so people who are vaccinated no matter which country they are coming from, obviously, they need visas and 9 proper documentation, et cetera. they would be able to come to the united states through that. land restrictions i don't have an update for you on where that stands beyond it's been extended. we're continuing to consider additional steps. >> okay. what kind of. >> okay, thanks, everyone. >> one question on hunter biden,. >> so now confirming a corroborated it. have you changed your mind? >> harris: all right. so >> we've been watching for the last 35 to 40 minutes the press briefing at the white house and we're going to pass it on. you saw psaki walk away as she wrapped up. we go to "mering reports." >> criticism from both sides of the aisle raining down on biden's handling of the border crisis. the white house and homeland security struggle for answers. good afternoon. >> john: good to have you back. >> sandra: good afternoon. the white house says most of the haitian migrants are being deported but multiple reports dispute just that, and there are

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