rush limbaugh believed things. he believed them with sincerity. that was his secret. what he believed most of all was that america is a good and a decent place and worth preserving. here he is in 2009 explaining what he believes about america. >> as human beings, we are no different than human beings anywhere elsean in the world. there have been families, clubs, countries, thousands on the years on the planet longer than we have. we are barely 250 years old. we have out-done everybody in almost everything that lives, raises a standard of living, in the history of the world. it's not because our d.n.a. wis different. it's not because we are special human beings. it's because of our freedom and the founding documents and the rights we have. where they come from. >> tucker: the founding documents. he'd actually read them. he really believed them. he wasn't just saying that.t.d that was obvious when he spoke. that was a threat to the people who wanted to be more powerful than the constitution allows so they tried to silence him. we think of the corporate censorship as a new phenomenon, but rush limbaugh was fighting it 30 years ago. and winning. here he is on "60 minutes" in 1991. >> i think i just happen to be saying what a whole lot of people think that don't have a chance to say themselves. that is why they call me the most dangerous man in america. somebody is finally saying this stuff. >> tucker: the most dangerous man in america. that is what they called him. m that is what they call you when you are brave enough to tell the truth. few people are better qualified to assess rush limbaugh's life than his friend and frequent guest host mark steyn. he wrote a beautiful tribute. this is part of what he wrote on the perspective on his life. "usually in this line of work if you are lucky you get a moment, a year or two when you are in the "in" thing and you hope to hold enough of the moment as it slowly fades until you retire. rush did somethingkl unprecedented in the history of tv and radio. rush limbaugh show came along two-third of a century later, became number one quickly and stayed at the top all the way to today. for a third of entire history of the medium. that is remarkable. rush limbaugh was a remarkable man.me he lived a life that mattered." and mark steyn joins us now to remember rush limbaugh. thank you for coming on and the piece you wrote for him today which was really a piece kof writing. so you knew him. you knew him for a long time. you worked with him. he were his fill-in host. how would you assess him standing back? >> well, he was a brilliant broadcaster. i wrote today about the first time i ever heard him. you just driving through the north maine woods when there are no radio stations available.n suddenly this voice came in from out of nowhere.bled and started, it wasn't what he was talking about. it was how he talked about it. and he made politics fun. he brought in all the elements. he had 20 years as a not terribly successful disk jockey where he had honed his craft. so he was able to use humor. he was able to use parody, songs.ri he was brilliant at it. he was better than anybody. that is apart from anything else that made him totally secure. he had no fear of any of the talents that came along after him would ever surpass him. he was simply the best. he invented this forum. 30-something years ago.om he and kit carson, talking about this and kit was his chief of staff for decades. kit didn't start out that way. he was just a guy working in the station. he handed rush unimportant stories at the day. he said do you have more stuff like is that? and that began the format of the show where he didn't just talk about what mitch mcconnell or nancy pelosi was doing. he had all these other stories in which there was some aspect of it that reflected on the grand comedy alike. i guest hosted for him yesterday. and there was a story there about 30 taliban members had died during bomb-making class in an afghan mosque. they got a little ahead of themselves and actually blown themselves sky high. it's a taliban workplace accident. it's not a big story. it's not an important story. but rush understood that the great cavalcade of life, all these things factored in. everybody does that format now. nobody did until he invented it. as you just said, he did it for a third of a century, which is incredible. >> tucker: you made a point in the piece today i didn't appreciate because i didn't work with him that the people who did work with him tended to work with him for decades. it seemed revealing of his character. we have heard people assess who he was a man and people try to impugn his character. what does it tell you about him? >> well, i think he was a fantastic employer and a brilliant friend to many, many people. that is why people came andat joined the e.i.b. network.re we know there were big name celebrities who can't keep a secretary for six weeks >> tucker: yeah, we know quite a few! >> yeah, everybody does. and instead, people came to the e.i.b. network and they never left. i never really realized how big the show was until i think it was i guest hosted it three times. then the following day, i took my little girl to a horse riding event. point to point, somewhere over the river from me in new hampshire in vermont. we got there a little early. she said to me, can we go to the concession stand? a little truck in the middle of the field.. i said -- she turned vegetarian, you know, a couple weeks earlier. i said we'll have a hot dog and a veggie burger, coffee and bottle of water. he said, you sound just like that guy who guest hosts for rush. it was, i was amazed. i had said a dozen words to the guy. i'd only guest hosted the show three times and i was suddenly -- and i used to, before they were kind enough to build a studio for me, i used to go and guest host at a local affiliate in new hampshire.ff it was interesting to me, because the owner, when i would do the show, like a tiny cramp studio. the owner would bring in the owner of bud's chevrolet and the lady at darlene's diners and the big advertisers. not because i was there, but the rush limbaugh show was hethere. he was beloved in a way that i don't think -- radio is a very intimate medium. you are driving around in your truck, and it's like the guy is in your head for three hours. but rush had a connection beyond that. i had a couple of guys working at my house for months as is the new hampshire way. every day at 11:59, they would hang the transistor radio on the chimney and blast, sit up on the roof, listening to rush. nobody wanted to miss that. incredible. nothing like it..an >> tucker: there is nothing like it. you have an amazing vignette in your remembrance of him today where you're talking to the prime minister of australia, in australia. he says why are you going back to the u.s.? you said, "i'm guest hosting for rush limbaugh." he says, "well, that is big." you give the audience numbers and he says that is more than there are australians. will there ever be anybody with that kind of reach again in mass media? >> i can't imagine it. if rush's listeners were a nation, they would be one of the biggest and the powerful nations on earth. which is some consolation. he taught me a lot. the last words he said on air an embarrassment to me becausee the last few weeks he has had to have the guest hosts standing by in case he falters in the second hour and can't complete the show. so he said at the end of his last show, he said, "thank you, mr. steyn. we'll see you next time." there was no next time. i was embarrassed about the "thank you, mr. steyn." i thought the coolest thing was to be -- he always used to insult the hguest host. if he knew i was coming in on wednesday. on tuesday, he would put you down. the coolest thing in the world to be put down by rush. when he told me about that and many other things was he was completely secure. o about a decade ago he had heart problems on vacation in hawai'i. with all the evil stuff on the internet, on twitter, which was young then.vi die, rush. t just die! he didn't care. it washed off him. he was totally secure and he w knew he was the best at what h he did. and he taught a lot of us to be as secure as he was. i owe him everything in that respect. >> tucker: you ended your column today with "talent returned to god." that is wonderful. thank you, mark. >> thank you, tucker. >> tucker: one of the remarkable thing of rush limbaugh he endured in the face of the organized efforts to pull him off the air for 30 years. frelentless attempts. as mark said, they washed off of him and he kept going. how did he do that exactly? frank was at the center of a lot of that. almost all of it. he was rush's spokesman. he worked with him for years and he joins us tonight to explain, how did rush limbaugh stay on the air? frank, thank you for coming on tonight. ?>> thank you. nkthank you. >> tucker: how did you pull that off? >> you know, it was all about rush. he had a backbone made of iron. he was not willing to let himself be redefined by what his opponents thought about him. he gave us direction to stay the course. keep doing what we were doing. never give in to what the opposition says. he understood the nature of w their business model better than anyone. which was basically to lie about the right.ic because the right was optimistic. the right had an idea. and the left really didn't. so he told us to do that. no matter what the opposition did, we kept on. >> tucker: one of the lowest things i have ever seen, ever in public conversation, rush limbaugh became dependent on prescription painkillers. a lot of people struggled with that. a lot of us struggled with addiction and he overcame it which struck me as an inspiring and wonderful thing and it made him a deeper person. he was attacked for that. i remember thinking at the time, how does he keep that from warping him internally? it's so vicious. how did he stay steady and calm and secure in the face of that? >> he was grateful for theat opportunity to recover from the addiction that he suffered from. and i think he learned a lot in the process of doing that. you know, he privately reached out to all sorts of people with addictions over the balance of his career. when there would be a news story about somebody suffering from an addiction, he would quietly and privately offer them support. he just understood he believed what he believed and that is what he brought forth on the air every day. >> tucker: so, in private, he helped people struggling with this thing he had been attacked for having. i didn't know that. not surprised. but i'm glad you brought it to light. really revealing. amazing a model. >> he did it independent of their politics. any number of them were people that their politics were opposed to what he believes. he didn't care. he knew there were some unifying ideas that reach across politics to the nature of being human. >> tucker: yeah. like our common humanity above all. a tough man. in the best way. great to see you. thank you. >> thank you. >> tucker: our friend glenn beck joins us later. he knew rush limbaugh well and he has been in the business a long time. you'll see him in a second. there is news that chris cuomo over on cnn could faceuo consequences tonight. that is interesting. we will bring it to you. also we have a major announcement for you. that's coming too. we'll be right back. >> tucker: well, new york governor andrew cuomo finally caught hiding nursing home deaths in his state that he made possible by his policies and now there are signs that governor cuomo may face serious consequences for what he did. trace gallagher is on the story for us. >> trace: this comes from the albany times union, the news source for the new york state capital saying that the eastern district of new york launched an investigation examining the action of governor andrew cuomo's coronavirus task force and the handling of the nursing homes in the pandemic. remember, three weeks after that task force was put together last year, the state mandated that nursing homes must accept residents being discharged from hospitals even if they were still positiveos for covid-19. the new york attorney general has now said nursing home deaths were severely underreported by the state and governor cuomo's top aide admitted to withholding information from lawmakers. but here are the unknown of the breaking news. why is this probe coming from the eastern district of new york in brooklyn instead of the northern district which is a two-minute walk from the state capitol building? and are the coronavirus taskld force members being interviewed or subpoenaed? the u.s. attorney's office won't comment. governor cuomo's office will only say they are fully cooperating. with what, we don't know. finally, breaking. cnn now says chris cuomo is not allowed to cover his brother, period. and that theth multiple interviews they did togetherti last year, almost nightly, was just an exception. tucker. >> tucker: just an exception. amazing. trace, great to see you. speaking of cnn, joe biden was over there last night for the town hall. if you didn't catch it, you might not be alone. not sure biden caught it. at one point he lost track of where he was and almost walked in the moderator. it's more than a social distancing violation, it's almost a collision. nervous laugher from the audience, but cnn didn't care. that's because when biden finally got the whereabouts under control, he delivered the message they wanted him to deliver. white supremacy is the problem. it's wide ranging threat and the main problem. you heard so it often it probably doesn't register anymore. every day, a k.k.k. terrorist is lying in wait. where is the plot? they don't tell you where it is. but every moment the d terrorists don't strike is just proof they are planningen something bigger and more sinister. there is no evidence this is true. they are creating extreme extremism by saying it. they seem to be pushing for it. crazier than the russia hoax. it's dangerous. this is not just taking down mike flynn or george papadopoulos. it's dividing the country against itself. it's impugning people with the worst slur they have. and now it's being used as a pretext to marshal the force of the state against its own people. nancy pelosi is leading that effort. she just announced someone called retired general russell honore of louisiana will lead the security review of what happened on january 6, of the riot. and nancy pelosi says the general has been "assessing our security needs reviewing what happened on january 6 and how we must ensure it doesn't happen again." but that is not right. general honore already has come to conclusions on what happened on january 6. he has been public about that. you should know what the conclusions are and what kind of personhe he is. just because his title is "general" doesn't mean he is sane. or not a wild eyed partisan. on the day after the capitol riot, honore suggested it was an inside job and the sergeant at arms might be implicated in the plot. >> it's was some complicit actions at the capitol police. police chief has been fired but now we need to look at a special investigation. was he complicit? along with the sergeant of arms in the house and the senate. it gives appearance of complicity. he complied because he might have thought 45 was coming to the capitol. and they gave way to the protesters who easily breached the capitol. this is a crying damn shame. >> tucker: what? speaking of misinformation and conspiracy theorists, m there is no evidence for any of that. it's all made up. it's crazy. but he went on. in a radio interview that same day, general honore explained conservatives on the capitol police force were to blame when he was asked about what happened with the security. watch this. >> by percentage, 30-40% of the line officers are trumpsters. >> all right. >> that is a fact, jack. >> tucker: how would he know that? of course he doesn't know. he doesn't have any idea. who youoe voted for is irreleva. these are sworn peace officers. they are doing their job but general honore decided to attack them on the basis of speculation about theirr political beliefs. this is a problem that this guy would be in charge of anything. p that problem goes beyond general honore prejudging whatwl happened at the capitol on the base of no knowledge. like so many of the country's ex-generals, this guy is an authoritarian. an unhinged one. he understands how to use forcend to achieve political objectives. and it seems like he is being set up to use his military training against anyone who sees the world differently than he does. they will be re-classified as domestic terrorists.er who are these people and what threat do they pose? according to general honore, the threats include the constitution and the second amendment. for real. he believes yourns right to defend yourself is dangerous. he said that. we are quoting here. "we can't permit second amendment rights at first amendment protests." really? constitutional scholar are you? imagine a public figure with a general in front of his name making that statement. this is the guy nancy pelosi wants in charge of security. honore is not a fan of the first amendment either, by the way. on twitter, he attacked this network and he told people to stop buying the -- we can't use it. the profanity. the crappy stocks of any company that advertises on fox news. talk about the stock prices of advertisers. he retweeted posts accusing parler -- of being "100% complicit in the january riot." this is the guy. this is like putting joy reed in charge of security. this is insane. general honore believes that elected member of congress, people like u.s. representative lauren bogart shouldn't be allowed to fly on aircraft because of political views. "put her on a no fly list." he said something similar about josh hawley, from missouri. he said, "this little piece of crap with the yale law degree should be run out of d.c. and disbarred asap."f run out of d.c.? really? what do you mean by that? run out of d.c. and disbarred. this is crazy. this is the guy that nancy pelosi has leading the security response to the capitol riot. this should really worry you. is this really about whatll happened in the capitol on january 6? no. it's about you and your rights. rights that people like general honore and nancy pelosi view as the greatest threat of all. josh hawley was singled out by this man and he joins us to respond. senator, i appreciate youoi coming on tonight. this make me nervous that someone like this could have any control ofus the so-called security at the u.s. capitol, in washington or in america. >> yeah. it's very disturbing. some of the statement that the general has made are downright crazy. you cited some of them. saying elise stefanik should be put on the no fly list. and the statement about the law enforcement. this is somebody who last year, tucker, encouraged, condoned the violent rioting in our cities, said federal law enforcement who were sent to portland to protect the federal courthouse he said they were a mob themselves. said they were acting like they were serving a dictator. attacked them for not being real soldiers. those are his words. it's unbelievable.th it's just unbelievable. it shows that nancy pelosi isn't interested in getting any facts. she is interested in power. and in amassing power and an excuse to keep hold of power including the thousands of troopers who are still p at the capitol who are still there treating it like an armed camp. why? no one will say. but this is what pelosi is interested in. >> tucker: so i saw an internal memo today from house republicans saying we are not going to question the presence of all the federal troops in washington. because there is some kind of threat. which they never explain. k what a betrayal of the country. but this guy is running around calling himself "general." shouldn't we be concerned? that the leadership should be totally nonpartisan and not involved in the debates. are we sure it still is? >> this particular general has been retired for a while. i don't question his service to the country at all. i applaud him for it. but he has been a partisan, a dedicated partisan. that is putting it mildly since he left the military. an extreme left wing democrat. you can see it in the comments he has made. i'm concerned about what they are laying the ground work for here and what nancy pelosi is doing. i'm concerned that they continue to treat the january 6th catastrophe that criminal riot as an excuse to seize power, to control more a power and to step on people's second amendment rights, to take awayak their first amendment rights.e now we are hearing about a domestic war on terror. what is that going to be? an excuse to rifle through the e-mail and the bank statements and personal messages of law abidingan americans? this is very, very frightening stuff. what pelosi and the democrats are doing here trying to consolidate power is dangerous. >> tucker: please convince your fellow republicans on the hill to stand up for the country. please. i think what you said is absolutely right. it needed to be said. i hope others will say it. thank you very much, senator. >> thank you. >> tucker: well, couple of months ago we made an announcement about our future here on fox. here is what we said. before we get to the next segment, a quick note about this show.e over the weekend, we got a lot of calls asking if weho are leaving fox news. ironically at that moment, we were working on a project to expandng the amount of the reporting and analysis we do in this hour across others parts of the company. this show is not going anywhere. it's getting bigger. so tonight we'll explain what we are doing and we'll do thatig right after the break. ♪ piano playing ♪ ♪ “what the world needs now” ♪ the only thing a disaster can't destroy is hope help now at redcross.org >> a quick announcement. we told you in november we were doubling down on fox news. tonight we will tell you what that means. in april, we are launching ath regular podcast on fox nation. it will be produced by the same people who make this show. backed by the same company that keeps us on thehe air. whatever you may read about fox news on the internet, the truth is, and we would know, they are principled defenders of free speech. and they are tough as hell. we wouldn't be here if they weren't. trust us. every day there is intense pressure to pull the show off the air and every day theyre resist that. we're grateful for that. we are also grateful for fox nation. when the big tech companies decided to shut down all inconvenient fact andni opinions, fox nation is protected. it's a subscription service. it can't be touched or censored. that is a blessing. we are not just starting a podcast. but we are starting a long form investigative series called "tucker carlson originals" to look deeply in the stuff we talk about nightly on the show. here is a trailer. i cannot believe i'm shooting at the range. >> what we have here. they're totally full of. >> my concern is that my safety, my daughter's. >> we will pass that. they know that. >> this corridor is more than an energy product. it's an attack the weak against the strong. >> we're delighted you are a gun guy. >> tucker: that was the fun part. we are working on a lot of stories and we have been for months and we'll cover wide range of topics and commercial free on fox news. fox nation. two episodes are already in production and they investigate the story behind the green new deal. when the power went out on monday in texas we sent the originals team to find out what was happening because we knew it wouldn't be long before the same idealogues who causedm this disaster would be on saying that the green new deal had nothing to do with it. we were right. they started lying within hours but our teamam was there gathering evidence on the ground. w this footage they took from the big spring, texas. you can see the wind turbines are not generating any power. they are not moving.'s the temperature is not even that cold. they are iced over. no electricity big spring tells us the hotels nearby have no water. rolling blockouts are affecting the entiretee area and much of the state of texas. why aren't you seeing more footage like this on other media? you know why. journalists and the politics they exist to protect are lying to you. they need you to believe that the windmills were a great investment. you paid for them. people know they are expensive.. people who live near them know they destroy the environment and kill animals. huge numbers of animals, but if people knew they crashed the power grid, they wouldn't put up with it. so they told you the frozen wind turbines are not a big deal. not a big deal. "no, the green new deal did notg cause the texas power outages." a piece in new york magazine. sandy cortez went to share her perspective saying texas runs on 80-90% fossil fuels. that is just not true. energy officials in texas confirmed public windmills provide 25% of the state's total electricity. on tuesday, more than a third of texas' power that went offline came from renewable energy sources, mostly windmill. those are tough facts for politicians who want to turn the entire power grid over to renewable energy sources. companies that their friends and donors almost always own. people like sandy cortez. about it. "infrastructure failure in texas is what happens if you don't pursue the green new deal," quite literally. pay no attention to the windmills. windmills. and we also need a new focus "equity," we're quoting. of course. texas has no power because of racism. that is what they are saying. here is the point. putting low-i.q. ideologues in charge of the power grid doesge in the end mean the end of civilization. no one who uses the word "equity" non ironically should be allowed near a power"e plant. or the cockpit of a commercial airliner or anything else that requires the math that you say is racist. it's bad enough people are in our h.r. departments in sociology departments. it's bad enough they use your suffering to gain more power.ta running the country with its infrastructure? no chance, have five. bish footage of the frozen windmills is cold hard proof that they are lying. they can't and i would anyone can see that's the point of the series, to show you the things they don't want you to see. in a place that's completely protected from their interference. we look forward to that we hope you'll watch.ou if you are parent, you are probably wondering when are the schools going to open? kamala harris tried to answer that question. no one understood here. it was like she was speaking in another language. we've decoded it for you. and we'll show it to you. plus, glenn beck is here. on the life of rush limbaugh. straight ahead.w ststststst ♪ ♪ >> tucker: here is what the science tells us about schools. it's safe to reopen classrooms. safe for students and teachers. we have known this for manynt months and the c.d.c. now concedes this. this fact, a scientific pact puts the party of science in a tough spot. they spent months telling us to trust the experts but now they are ignoring the experts. why are they doing that? you know why. they want to make the teachers union happy. teachers unions give more than anybody else to the democratic party. they can't say that because it would be at the cost of the kids. they have to offer some justification for it. kamala harris took her shot today and explaining it. here's how it went. >> let's talk about schools. parents are watching, maybe with their kids next to them because they are not going to school. the cdc -- >> we all want schools to reopen, savannah. all of us with children in our lives. they want to go to school, we want them to go to school and teachers want to teach. speak a lot about the cdc guidance? what's the bottom line? how soon can they be reopened? >> so our goal is that as many as k-8 schools possible will reopen in the first 100 days. >> i don't want to beat it to death, but i know there are teachers listening. the c.d.c. said they don't have to be vaccinated to go back to school.ng >> we think they should be a priority. a priority. >> tucker: tough for nbc. we think one of the people on screen had kids in school and the other doesn't. hasn't. good for her for pressing. what the hell does it mean? and dr. marc siegel joins us to assess. s doctor, great to see you. when are the schools opening? did you figure it out? >> yes, i did. unfortunately here's what i figured out. you and i coined the term "follow the signs." now everybody says it. you know what it means? code word for political expediency. follow the e signs if it agrees with you, if the cdc says what you wanted to say you're not finding the teachers unions. then it's sacrosanct. but otherwise they are pushing too hard, you say it's only a recommendation for the vice president. only a recommendation, only a guideline. here's what it actually says. though outbreaks do occur in school settings, multiples studies have shown that transmission and school settings is typically lower than or similar to levels of community transmission. cdc and the same guidelines is clear. kids don't get sick very often. they don't transmitted to teachers. they have mild cases.o schools need to be open. why is this political expediency occurring? why is the cdc moving the goldca goalposts and hyper focusing on so-called red zones? or community spread. we have just read it doesn't spread to schools more than in the community. tucker, i went to medical school. you keep it simple in medical school. do no harm. look at the patient as a fellow creature in pain. tucker, when i see kids hunkered down in front of the computer screens, eyes growing red unhappy, i see a creature in pain. when i see kids together in a school with their partners and with their pals playing a sport, maybe, exercising, smiling, seeing the teachers. tucker, that is the cure, tucker. >> see your patient as a fellow human being in pain. most of us are not doctors, but it's worth remembering. see your fellow humans as people in pain because they are. that is a wise thing to say. sethank you. >> thank you, tucker. >> tucker: so as we told you as you already knew, rush limbaugh has passed away at the age of 70. one of the few people who understands, really understands the life that rush limbaugh led is glenn beck.nn we are happy to have him join us straight ahead. type 2 diabetes can have a big impact on your life. but how can it be prevented? well, the first step is knowing if you something called prediabetes. take the 1-minute risk test today at doihaveprediabetes.org >> tucker: rush limbaugh pass >> tucker: rush limbaugh passed away today, as you know. we talked about it earlier in the show.e he had an extraordinary life, but he also had a very unusual life. it's hard to understand what it was like to be rush limbaugh and to work in that world unless you've done h it, and very few people have done it. very, very few. one who has is glenn beck. heap understands, and that is wy we are happy to have them on tonight to join us. glenn, thanks so much for coming on. >> thank you. i was thinking, tucker, today, i don't know any man, any one person, not a movement, not a collection of people, any one person that change the culture as much as rush limbaugh did. that added to the culture. maybe carson. may be johnny carson. butth what one man has done th? i don't know any. >> tucker: it's amazing. at the center of it -- you see him today described as a kind of political activist, he was a creator. he made things that didn't exist. he was a creative force. >> yeah. yeah, and for as much bluster, i didn't know rush very well at all, he was a very, very private man, and as you know, tucker, you've lived this lifestyle, too, you have very few friends that you can trust, unless they are longtime friends, and even those sometimes will go a little nuts.. so he was a very private man that i knew. but he was very humble. i remember the first time i tried out for talk radio, he allowed me to use his studio with his golden microphone, which was terrifying, to me, and then, when they were going to syndicate me, he listened to my show for a week before they even told me that they were going to make me an offer, and when it came down to it, craig kitchen, the president of premier, met with him, and craig told me that he had said he started the conversation and said cried, before you say anything, we've been friends, let's just break it easy. it's been a very good run. he actually thought they were going to come down and say hey, we are moving on, things aren't so great. he had no concept, i shouldn't say that, he did not have the h ego that he had on the air. it was balanced. he knew that most people didn't last 30 years and broadcast. >> tucker: yes. >> i don't know if he knew he wasn't most people. >> tucker: how do you last 30 years in a business like this with the daily intensity, with the relentless attacks not just on you,business, but your character, your family? how do you not become warped and crazy and bitter and lose your creative power? >> i think that he a, only had about 15 years of that. i mean, they've always been after rush, but the last 15 years has changed, the way the leftft just slit throats and les you bleed in the streets, and the dirty things that they do is different than it was, you know, 20-25 years ago. he had to know what he believes. you know, i think all this pushback on each of us -- first of all, nobody can do three hours live, unscripted, every day, and be faultless. and also, no one can fake it for that long. >> tucker: that's true. >> the audience hearss it. so he had to believe it. he knew who he was. and when you know who you are and you know what you believe is true, and people keep throwing you up against the wall, and makes you check yourself, which only makes you stronger come in the end, because again, you reaffirm, or you learn something new, and you know exactly why you believe it's true. >> tucker: but not to become bitter. i mean, for sure, opposition forces you to clarify youro own beliefs. it toughens you. >> he was never -- tucker, you are the same way. we don't become bitter because we don't do the show for those people. i heard rush say one time, and it is so true, in fact, i just said it recently, i don't do my show for those people who don'ts listen. he wasn't doing the show for those people. >> tucker: good point. >> he was doing it for this amazing audience, and say what you want, rush limbaugh's audience, my audience, the talk radio audience, your audience, they are amazingly good and fair and decent people. you got it wrong, they'll correcthe you. you believe in the inherent goodness of people and the strength ands goodness of america. that believes all of us up, and i know it did him. he was very much ronald reagan in his believe of the american people and what we can do. >> tucker: how do you think he understood his audience, as well as he did? as you pointed out, he is obviously living in some level of seclusion, because you kind of have to. this big house from heat of the show from home, does not have a lot of contact, but he seemed very tuned in -- this must be something you think about a lot -- how do you stay in touch with the people who are listening to your? >> i don't -- i don't know, but i would guess that he stayed in touch by the number of phone calls that he took, which you can get a feel in talk radio, but also, i think he drew on what he believed and how he grew up. i think a lot of us -- and that is what is so frightening about today, what our kids being taught? we grew up in a time period were in america you could accomplish anything and it didn't matter what color you were. it didn't matter if you are poor or rich or connected or not, anyone could make it. he believed that because he came from nothing. i believe that because i came from nothing. and that is -- that's something i think you can draw on in tough times, good times for the rest of your life. i think he feasted on that on that. >> tucker: how do you think you will be remembered? >> who is writing the history book? >> tucker: have you you noticed, there is an immediate effort to describe him in ways, you know, will persist through the years. >>rs here's how he should be remembered. he was the johnny carson of radio. he was the every man of radio. he saved -- in europe, they don't have am radio was in bars anymore. the only reason we have am radio was is because of rush limbaugh. that medium was over. he completely reinvented it. he was the first voice since kennedy was in office that didn't have to -- didn't have to answer and have, you know, a liberal on the other side. he could actually speak things, and speak them in a way that people understood, and could repeat it. >> tucker: amazing. >> he was a great teacher. a great teacher. >> tucker: glenn beck come appreciate it. ♪ ♪ >> sean: welcome to "hannity." we begin tonight, a fox news alert, god, faith, family, country, this is what rush limbaugh embodied, and tens of millions of americans listened. he was an innovator. he was a pioneer. he was a trailblazer. he was a great patriot. he fought every single day to make this country a more perfect union and a better place. now, niels bohr used to call him, and he will join us later, the babe ruth of talk radio. he is right. i think you can probably add faith babe ruth, lou gehrig, derek jeter, pretty much the entire team for all of us in talk radio. rush was

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