the prospects of those two senatorial candidates. so much at stake, welcome, everybody and happy saturday to you i'm neil cavuto, let's get right to it right now with mark meredith at the white house , the president will be leaving a little later this afternoon for that big trip and that's what we don't know, right, mark, exactly how much time he's going to devote to those candidates and how much to his own election. >> absolutely neil we have not gotten those advanced remarks and it's unclear even if the president would stick to the teleprompter during those remarks down in valdosta. it's both the president an the first lady making the trip down to south georgia for an event being organized by the republican national committee. they are calling it a victory rally with a focus being supposed to be at least on those two senate republican candidates facing a runoff in early january. this trip to georgia comes as the president's own legal team files a it new lawsuit friday challenging the peach state's results and the trump campaign arguing there was widespread fraud in last month' election even though georgia's republican secretary of state repeatedly said there's no evidence of major widespread fraud and the trump campaign and the latest lawsuit said we're asking the court to vacate the certification of the presidential election and to order a new statewide election for president. on friday, vice president mike pence, he also made a trip down south to georgia. he told supporters he has doubts about last month's election but he remains focused on on the senate runoff and also making sure every legal vote is going to be counted and they are going to keep fighting going forward indicating that this is something they are going to continue to press on not only when it comes to their own legal challenges but what they see will likely happen between now and the january 5 runoff. democrats, they are also in the peach state, we saw the former president barack obama hold a virtual campaign rally for john ossoff, and you mentioned off the top how much money is being spent on this race, so much at stake for both parties on what happens in georgia all about turnout, we'll see what happens between now and early january. neil? neil: all right, thank you my friend, very much, mark meredith at the white house right now. let's go to brat rathenburger, you know he's become a household name over the last few week since the election, georgia secretary of state in atlanta with us right now, secretary, very nice to have you back again , thank you for coming in. >> good morning, neil. neil: all right the president is going to be in valdosta later on tonight. are you going to be there? >> no, spending time with my family tonight. neil: okay, just that, there's no personal flights for the president is very critical of you and your stewardship of this election, no >> absolutely not, as secretary of state, i really have abstained from being involved in republican party activities just so that the other side could never say i was so involved i was trying to push it one way for our party i'm a conservative republican always have been but i think it's best on issues of election that everyone sees that i just walk down that middle line. neil: lt. governor i had in last week, sir, was saying much of the same thing he's going to spend it with his kids i don't know what the governor's plans are but as you know the president is very critical of the vote counting going on i think you're on your third vote right now. are you satisfied with the results of these repeated votes that they are kind of mirroring what they were in the beginning and the story? >> as a republican i'm disappointed in the results but the results have shown that the results reported on election night were supported by the audit. we did a 100% hand recount, re tally during the audit process , which verified the accuracy of machines and the accuracy of the count, and now we've done a recount running all those ballots those paper ballots through again and we've really gotten the same results virtually the same, and so the results are the results. i'm disappointed as a republican but those are the results. neil: so, this hullabalu over signatures, secretary, checking them against the original signatures, that's what i think the president wanted you to look into i think the governor was suggesting it. can you update me on that? >> many people have spread misinformation. we actually strengthened signatures this year and we recognize there's been a huge increase in absentee ballots so what we did is we made sure that our election officials in the counties got gbi training on signature match, when you made a paper application, we signature match that ballot or that application with your signature, when the ballot came in, we signature matched it again, so we have double signature match, but also we stood up a new online absentee ballot portal which for the first time, introduced photo id. see , i inherited this 2005 absentee ballot law that was signed into law by governor sunny purdue and supported by now the party chair , david safer when he was state senator also a former governor floor leader for senator purdue. that's a bill that we had and no one had done anything. we strengthened it with photo id this year and over 400,000 voters used that. neil: you know, your office has claimed, sir, not you specifically, but that the language the president used has heightened the fear of violence, do you think that's true? >> well i do know that actually , we had a senate oversight committee meeting earlier this week and state senator has been also threatened and that's in the newspaper and i'm really grateful that the lt. governor and the majority of the senate have condemned that. the senators recognize that that's just way over the line and when a state senator is threatened also, just for holding a hearing, that's way over the line. it's not appropriate, we have to condemn that whenever we see it. neil: there's a trump surrogate, a lawyer, was speaking earlier this week, secretary, as you know, saying don't even vote in the senate primary, and republicans piled on him for saying that, but are you worried that this gets to be such a distraction, as a republican, that it is going to hurt their chances in the runoff election on january 5? >> when someone says that i have to question if they are even republican it's total foolishness i'll be voting for my two republican senators and i hope everyone gets out and votes for our republican senator s. neil: even though these two republican senators wanted you to step down you'll still vote for them? >> i'm a conservative republican and i believe in the republican ideals and what we stand for yes i'll be voting for my two senators. neil: you know, secretary its been a very arduous four-plus week since the election, you encountered the wrath of the president and these two senatorial candidates just doing your job trying to do it the best way you can, multiple counts have proven the same results, so accuracy does seem to be on your side here, but the political environment is such that your persona nongrada, does that make you think twice about your future of the republican party in georgia, how politically active you'll remain after this , what the? >> i've had a tremendous outpouring of support from traditional conservative republicans and many of the people once they really take a look at the numbers, the cold hard facts, senator david perdue got over 19,000 more votes in the metropolitan region that president trump did. senator perdue was able to message to a broader coalition of voters and he had great success, and didn't get him over the 50% so i'm hopeful where he'll be on the runoff election so that's really what happened. when you're an 80% trump district you don't understand but there are the different constituencies throughout the state. you have to have a message that reaches all voters. neil: so, if what you're saying is accurate the problem was donald trump, it wasn't these other republican candidates who ended up doing pretty well state -wide. >> senator perdue ran a good race and i feel confident he's going to win and prevail speaking as a republican, not as secretary of state but speaking as republican i feel really confident in his ability to bring it all home on the runoff race. neil: secretary, can you update on a separate matter, this look into progressive groups that are encouraging folks who are outside the state to vote in the state, essentially to move in and then do whatever they want, move out afterwards. that is technically illegal, but where do you stand on this? >> well it's not just, it's illegal, not just technically, it is illegal. neil: thank you for explaining that. we have four groups we're already investigating in fact my son passed nearly three years ago and we got two additional postcards for him to register to vote in the last time i talked about the three groups that's five times he's received postcards. there's an attorney in florida that is talking about moving to georgia to vote, we're investigating that, and thankful ly, i requested from the governor yesterday for additional investigative support from the gbi georgia bureau of investigation, so we could have ongoing investigation s of not just our past presidential election but also future, perhaps, malfeasance and illegalities that these outside groups might want to do for the runoff. we want to make sure georgians are voting in this georgia election. neil: but we're told that there's a possibility that hundreds if not thousands of individuals have already taken up with that cause to be in the state to vote in the state, and be there for the runoff. >> we are going to challenge the residency of any people that have moved into the state. we want to make sure these are permanent residents. they moved here for a business transfer. neil: but how would you know, secretary, because someone might be coming in -- >> because the law is quite clear they have to have a permanent intent to stay here and our investigators will be researching every single issue that is brought to our attention and we'll be really scouring through that and also, local officials can challenge people's residency and that's already in law, so i fully expect that both political parties will be engaging to make sure that only georgians are voting in this election for georgians. neil: secretary, thank you very much, i had read about this issue with your son and all these ballots that came back and people have no idea what you have dealt with, but you held up pretty well through all of this secretary thank you very very much. >> thank you, neil. god bless you. neil: all right the secretary of state, beautiful state of georgia, brad raffensperger, just trying to do his job in the middle of all of this in the meantime president-elect joe biden already made it clear, he wants to see more stimulus on top of the what he's talking about a measure right down the lame duck session but more on an a each proking vaccine and he doesn't want to necessarily demand everyone get it, thinks it be a good idea , especially if dr. fauci says it's okay. david spunt following all these developments right now, hey, david. reporter: neil, good morning to you. president-elect biden is meeting with transition advisors this weekend here in wilmington. no doubt those vaccination efforts and how to distribute that vaccine going to be the top of the list but neil, what is amazing when you think about it, one week from today, millions of people could start to get that first dose of the vaccine. that's a week from today. we're specifically talking about pfizer because the food and drug administration will meet thursday to either say yes or no to emergency use authorization of pfizer's 95% effective vaccine, a week later on the 17th, neil, fda will do the same for mederna, while the first group, 7 million or several million will receive the innoculation in the coming weeks and those are going to be healthcare workers and those living in the nursing homes. the majority of americans, we're talking about tens of millions, really hundreds of millions of americans, will under a president biden receive that vaccine. biden yesterday said he will not make the vaccine mandatory but strongly encourages it. listen here. >> i wouldn't demand it be mandatory but i would do everything in my power just like i don't think masks have to be made mandatory nationwide i'll do everything in my power as the president of the united states to encourage people to do the right thing and when they do it, demonstrate that it matters and that's why i said, in my inaugural speech i'm going to ask people to commit for 100 days to wear a mask. reporter: all of the living presidents, carter, clinton, bush, obama, trump and then coming up with biden, said they will take the vaccine as a sign of public confidence as soon as possible. biden also, neil, announced he's bringing on dr. fauci to help him navigate through the remainder of this pandemic. fauci began his work as a distinguished career at the national institute of health in 1968 but something to point out is that this vaccine pfizer and moderna will be given in two separate doses about a month apart children, specifically under the age of 18, will not be getting that vaccine for several months. the science is not fine tuned there and another thing to mention is we don't know exactly when that vaccine will start, but the states are the localit ies are going to be distributing and deciding how that vaccine gets to you and me and everybody we know. neil? neil: all right, well you're so young, david i mean, i better be in front of you in that line. reporter: 36. neil: we'll see how it all goes. i have ties older than you, young man, thank you always good seeing you. by the way this whole idea of when states get their hands-on the vaccine, technically the fda has not written off of this yet, we do know the united kingdom has late last night bahrain has but again we have not so even though you have a number of former presidents all pitching into say we'll take it when it's out, technically, it's not okay here, yet, after this. this is andy, my schwab financial consultant. here's andy listening to my goals and making plans. this is us talking tax-smart investing, managing risk, and all the ways schwab can help me invest. this is andy reminding me how i can keep my investing costs low and that there's no fee to work with him. here's me learning about schwab's satisfaction guarantee. accountability, i like it. so, yeah. andy and i made a good plan. find your own andy at schwab. a modern approach to wealth management. if ththen i'm not a real potato reciidaho potato farmer.shes, genuine idaho potatoes not just a side dish anymore. always look for the grown in idaho seal. 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clinton, are on board, publicly in getting the shot for this vaccine but of course, it has to be approved the fda for them to get the chance, unless you were a pfizer clinical trial participant, like my next guest, glenn deshields joins us right now, and a chance to take that, experience that and maybe tell us about that. glenn very good to have you thank you for coming so you were part of this trial, explain. >> yes, sir, i signed up last july and got in. it was, i've never done it before, and it was pretty interesting. basically like going to a bunch of doctor visits is the only way to describe it. neil: do you know or did they tell you whether you're taking a placebo or the actual drug? any insight? >> no, they don't tell you. i mean the placebo is a sailine shot, so i talked t my doctor and you could tell when you get a placebo and when you get a vaccine. i also went and got a antibody test because i couldn't wait and i was impatient and i also have antibodies. neil: well you probably read a lot, glenn, about people leary of taking this not for the political stuff and whether it's wise or not, politically expedited but some are just hesitant about vaccines , period. especially young people, they don't think they need it, they're bulletproof and it affects them in much smaller numbers. what do you tell them? >> well i don't remember growing up, we had to get vaccines for everything to go to school and it never was an issue, so i'm always confused why people are so worried now about it. i mean, we study things more than we studied them then. we have greater technologies. i'm always confused why people are so worried. go get the shot and get this thing over with is my thought. neil: assuming you did get the shot for the vaccine itself, can you tell us what you went through, any side effects, any other issues, dizziness, anything with stuff i've heard that stuff like that, but did you get any of that? >> yeah, i'd never really had a reaction to a vaccine before, and i did have a reaction to this one. i had, i mean, headaches and fatigue, were the big things. i didn't take, you know, any kind of like aspirin or iboprofen on the first shot and the second shot i did and basically it muted all of the effects. it was about 24 hours worth and then there was a lot of shot site pain, probably 48-72 hours. neil: now the second shot spread from the first shot, what was the time gap between them? >> i believe it was about between three and four weeks, and everything is really well setup and you just have six total visits that goes over two years, so i'm only on big visit three and my next visit is in march. neil: all right, now the understanding with the vaccine and you know this far better than i ever will , glenn, is that you're covid-proof right now, that it can't hit you. what have doctors told you about the vaccine you took and how long it will ward off, if not forever, the covid-19 virus as it stands now? it can always mutate into something else, i understand that but what have they told you >> well i talked to, that's the big question is how long it will last. i mean, one of my doctors are very interested in it and he said well i may sign up for it, but i mean, i don't know. i mean, i had antibodies now, so i guess i'm somewhat covid-proof i'm definitely more, i'm not as hesitant as i was to go to the grocery store and go in places, you know, i do it for my family now basically. i'm the one that puts on the mask and goes into all the stores and everything now and i guess it works that much but that's anecdotal. who knows. neil: yeah, well, we'll watch closely, you're a brave man, glenn i'm happy things are working out for you and i hope it's a sign of safe things to come. you're braver still for going and running these errands for your family voluntarily and i don't do that. all right, glenn, thank you very very much have a great weekend and wonderful holiday, glenn deshields a pfizer clinical trial participant and again we're looking at the fact that even though the united kingdom and certainly countries like bahrain have gone ahead and approved that for emergency use technically the fda has not, as yet, so until it does give its official okay on that, this is a moot point as far as how fast you get it and others get it but we're just told a matter of days. in the meantime speaking of covid-19, the stimulus around it that now has increasing bipartisan support and yes, could happen, and maybe stop all of these closed stores and businesses and restaurants from shuttering forever, after this. a live bookkeeper is helping customize quickbooks for me. okay, you're all set up. thanks! that was my business gi, this one's casual. get set up right with a live bookkeeper with intuit quickbooks. the team's been working around the clock.wire, we've had to rethink our whole approach. we're going to give togetherness. logistically, it's been a nightmare. i'm not sure it's going to work. it'll work. i didn't know you were listening. >> there's so many things that have bipartisan support already, and the most important thing is i think there's a general understanding among all republicans that we need to do something. >> we don't have time to waste here and it's something that we believe could pass our chamber and in the house. neil: all right, that was a sign of things to come when i had a chance to speak with both prominent democratic senators, and republican senators, as well as a number of congressmen and women both parties open to a $900 billion stimulus measure, that would go a long way toward providing emergency relief right now, before the biden administration takes office on january 20. let's get a fair and balanced read on how likely that is, with representative jessie johnson republican from south dakota and representative dean phillips democrat from minnesota. gentleman welcome to both of you and thank you for taking the time. congressman phillips if i can begin with you. this idea that this bipartisan support for this , where is the bipartisan support? in other words what are the features that you agree should be enacted right now, rather than wait until next year when joe biden takes over? >> well, neil if you take a look at the march to common ground plan that my friend and colleague dusty johnson whose on right now with me, helped co- lead and develop some a couple months ago, if you look at the new bipartisan plan that we worked with senators on just introduced a few days ago you'll see that there's a lot of agreement so to answer your question directly, i think we made great progress and look, nobody is going to get everything they want and to those who have lost faith in government, i tell you the anecdote a the problem solver's caucus and democrats and republicans working together to find common ground and that's exactly what we did and now it's up to some others in the house and senate and i have confidence we'll get it done. neil: no i'm very impressed with the caucus because you try to put politics aside and at least find common ground and it looks like enough has been found that you have, so congressman johnson , to you on that. do you think there's enough common ground that this will pass? >> i absolutely think it's going to pass. it needs to pass. the reality is 778,000 americans filed for unemployment for the first time last week, and we had 10,000 of our country men die and i think, neil , you see that every hour that goes by, another prominent legislative leader steps up and adds their voice to ours, and frankly, this thing looked dead a week ago but since we made our announcement on tuesday all of the momentum is headed toward passage. neil: joe biden has offered insight and thinking on this and i think congressman phillips, what he was saying, is he'd like to see that $1,200 stimulus check that was obviously very popular in the initial pandemic relief plan. i don't believe it's part of this one yet. do you think it will be? >> you know, neil, time will tell of course the president was very much in favor of direct stimulus checks in the past. i believe that consumption is the engine of the economy and money and people's pockets is the fuel, and in times like these i do believe that sending money to people directly who are struggling the most is a net benefit to the economy, actually will cost less now than it will down the road so i am in favor of it. we weren't able to achieve everything that everybody wanted in the current framework, but i'm still hopeful that could, if it finds bipartisan support, could be achieved because i certainly favor it. neil: congressman johnson, i talked to your republican counterpart in the senate, chuck grassley, who was saying, you know, he's open to this , he's open to a lot of it but don't go crazy on another effort that be just as expensive if not more expensive let's see how this goes. are you in that camp that you're open to maybe this , but no more multi trillion dollar relief down the road? >> well, i mean, there are lots of voices that want to add more to this package but the reality is this is the number that can get done. i think as you make the package a lot larger, you lose a ton of republicans if you make it a lot smaller you lose a ton of democrats. if politics is the art of the possible, and it is, this is the right package, and i voted against, you know, big $3 trillion packages and $2 trillion packages and package s that the speaker had put on the floor in the past. this is the thing that can get done. this is the deal that can bring some housing and nutrition and unemployment and paycheck protection relief to the american people. let's get this thing done. frankly, neil, i can't believe it wasn't done two or three months ago. i mean if democrats like dean phillips and republicans like dusty johnson who are rank-and-file members can come to agreement on this , why in the world can our leadership not do it? i mean, i just feel like they let politics get in the way. let's get this thing done and 908 is the right number. it's higher than i want but it's the one that can get done. neil: all right, we'll watch very closely, gentlemen i want to thank you both, hope springs eternal for bipartisan support, it is possible, so we'll see what happens in the weeks to come. while addressing something going on across the ocean in paris there have been a number of violent demonstrations that have gotten increasingly more so, they're protesting right now police violence and a measure to crackdown on that from president macron and his security plan to go back at protesters who freely show police officers pictures and the like, they say that's an invasion and insights more violence, and protesters are saying no, what you're aspousing is going to create more violence and they're not at all happy with that and this has escalated into tear gas and their rights they say are being compromised and withdraw the security law and they are 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[sfx: mnemonic] neil: you've apologized for this incident where you joined your family for thanksgiving, it was quite a large gathering larger than maybe even you suspected but it came at a time where a number of other top politicians, mostly democrat hate to say that to you , did one thing and practiced another. do you think that people look at that, mayor, and say the guys a hypocrite? >> sure, i recognize folks who come to those kinds of conclusions and i made a mistake and i own it and i certainly should have been more astoot about the specifics of the regulations and i knew there were advisories and i simply should have been more astoot to it. neil: all right, that was san jose's democratic mayor with me earlier, but he had far bigger worries this week. and to shade him for at least admit that that was a problem in visiting his family at thanksgiving and the way it looked certainly didn't help his cause or made him look hypocritical and he lost a big employer in his city when we heard that hewlett packard enterprises wasn't quitting san jose, but moving a major operation to houston, texas. now again, i want to stress that hewlett packard isn't saying it's giving up on the golden state or for that matter san jose but it is de-emphasizing it down the road and if that seems familiar to you it should. a number of big high-tech names of sought out safer regulatory confines where the politicians don't tax them, and by and large , do not preach to them, we've got francis newton stacey with us, john layfield, adam lashinsky. i am wondering in the case of hewlett packard enterprises it's not a retreat altogether from the state but it's telegraphing one and i'm wondering whether this continues. regardless of politics it's about the money, what do you think? >> well, i think the determination as to whether or not it continues depends on if these things change after covid or not and i think the hypocrisy really doesn't help, and i think that what small business owners and big tech are thinking about is is it worse to expose people to the virus or is it worse to, you know, kill the small businesses and kill the tech and kill the opportunities for them to do business and have enterprise and what's the follow-up going to look like? how long is it going to last but i think, yes the taxes are stated to go up to about 16.9% in california and that means top talent is also going to leave california so the demographics are rapidly-shifting and it's going to be interesting to see if it's permanent or just a covid thing. neil: you know, what's interesting in this , john lay field isn't so much what hewlett packard is looking at saving, but over the course of many many years, being in a cheaper locale period, like texas, and that affords them the opportunity down the road, to not have to pay their people as much, and still provide benefits but not to have to look at expenses that go way beyond taxes, the way they presently see california now. what do you think of that and how that could help or hurt this cause? >> i think that is a huge problem and one that's going to snowball on california. i worked in california and texas over the past 30 years consistently year after year and you look at the cost of living that you're talking about say in dallas compared to say los angeles. 70.6% higher to live in los angeles and that doesn't take into account the facts of saying los angeles is 9.5% city and state taxed and you look at what you get out of that, in texas you have very hands-off politicians and in california, the trend is for them to be more hands-on and to intervene, you're not sure about a consistent business environment and with that you get in texas fully-funded schools, fully- funded police and you're not paying a state income tax just the opposite of what you get in california. neil: adam, this has been going on a while, as you reported and looked at here, but i'm wondering if it's going to pick-up steam now, i'm not trying to cast political things but you know with joe biden coming in, he wants to raise corporate taxes from 21% to 28%. are you looking at going after high income individuals people like yourself and zapping them with higher taxes as well and i'm just wondering if that is sort of speeding this exit move up and people are going to look for any safer confine they can find. >> well, good morning, neil i'm talking to you from the belly of the beast, i'm in san francisco at this moment. i think, you know, everything that you and the other two have said is completely true, but almost completely beside the point. as you point out, neil, all of these factors are long-standing, california has been a high tax state, a high cost state for many years. hp, by the way, bought compact computers many years ago, in houston. they've had a big presence in houston. neil: you're right about that. >> that's my understanding right now and they're not a growing company. there are many fast-growing companies, facebook, google, et cetera, that are still here, so all of these things are true, but the high costs are what are driving some of these companies out, not the rest of it is far more background and that includes preachy politicians which by the way, neil, also isn't new. neil: well you're right about that, but let me get a handle, for instance, where you see it going because i live and work in new jersey right now and of course, they're raising taxes and they're going to be looking at raising corporate taxes and the like and a lot of people vote with their feet because maybe this whole pandemic has proven you don't need to be in these states to sort of dodge these states and what they're doing and now some are trying to force the issue, but i'm wondering where this goes and if it's a message for other high tax states and municipalities that might have to start looking over their shoulder now. >> yes, i think so, because i think i know i personally know a lot of people in silicon valley, some of my relatives that live there and put up with the onerous taxes and the onerous cost and all of those and maybe some of the stuff that they don't like that politicians do, because they can get those higher salaries, and this problem is now with covid you can work from home. now, vmware and twitter came out to say they will pay you commensurate with the cost of living if you move to idaho but that yet remains to be seen but now that we can work from home and we can move, i think that there's less hesitancy for the top talents that these companies need to move and i think there's less hesitancy particularly with the covid restrictions which i think just pushed everything right over the edge, to look at something else, just like tesla, just like elon musk and i think that it's going to start a trend that's going to last. neil: we shall see. its been around a while, to all of your point here but it could be picking up steam. i'll see you and i know that another thing we're looking at when it comes to the crackdowns is all these shutdowns at restaurants and businesses, how you overcome that and whether that is hurting these states and what they're trying to do to entice businesses and individuals to at least be happy , increasing that kind of stuff is not helping their cause want to switch to paris right now what's going on these protests are gathering speed, and whats at issue is a black man was shot earlier this month, last month, i should say, and much like what happens in this country, there's video that's played again and again and again, and then a crackdown on the part of emmanuel macron's leader of france to reign in the police presence, and at the same time, to reign in the populous revolt over the police presence, and the protesters are saying he's gone too far, and you favor the police and the guys that they say are causing the trouble , emmanuel macron is coming back saying well actually your response to this is what's causing the trouble, and if it rings a bell, it should, because this is a world wild issue, more after this. joint pain, swelling, tenderness. my psoriasis. cosentyx works on all of this. cosentyx can help you look and feel better by treating the multiple symptoms of psoriatic arthritis. don't use if you're allergic to cosentyx. before starting, get checked for tuberculosis. an increased risk of infections and lowered ability to fight them may occur. tell your doctor about an infection or symptoms, if your inflammatory bowel disease symptoms develop or worsen, or if you've had a vaccine, or plan to. serious allergic reactions may occur. watch me! get real relief with cosentyx. neil: all right, it has been a messy day throughout much of the north east, we're dealing with a nor'easter here, in some parts is going to dump a lot of snow and other parts it's just going to make shopping if you're inclined to go outside your home and shop, very very difficult. by the way, things could be perfect weather conditions for that to motivate me one way or the other but for a lot of folks it is a huge inconvenience and a reminder that old man winter is here, alive and well, rick reichmuth, our meteorologist on what we're looking at here, hey, rick. rick: hey, there, yeah a lot of wind with this as well and probably by the time we're done some power outages from pretty heavy snow and the wind that's going to cause probably some lines to go down certainly with trees to go down maybe onlines here is where we have the winter storm warnings infect parts of massachusetts, connecticut, rhode island, vermont, new hampshire sure and main all six states in new england and the nor'easter kind of a classic nor'easter setting up for us, the first real significant one of this winter season still late fall but winter starts december 1 you get the idea here a lot of rain right along the coast, it always becomes an issue of where is a rain and where is a snow line, and you get the idea right now you see that darker color right there, cutting across parts of massachusetts and connecticut, that's actually called bride banding a little bit of heavy snow beginning to melt at the surface that transitions into snow pretty quickly and you'll see the transition in the snow already happening back across the western side of massachusetts. this will continue to pull off towards the northeast as it does , today, it's going to strengthen we'll see those winds climb up and we already have winds really significant down across parts of the mid-atlantic and then in towards the northeast but it'll get stronger this is a strengthening system as it does winds along the coast will be significant as we move through today and into tonight. these are the projected snowfall totals by the time we're done with this. we're going to be talking about snowfall totals maybe around the 18-inch range especially across interior sections of maine. temperature-wise you get the idea 41 in new york, 42 boston too warm to get any significant snowfalling there those temperatures are going to fall though and take a look at what happens today's temps not that bad tomorrow behind the storm the colder air starts to get in most everybody is going to be lucky just to be in to the 30s maybe around 40 degrees, monday same story. so a really cool pattern setting up for a few days in fact looks like certainly the start of this coming week very cool. neil i will give you one bit of good news, the longer term outlook looks like it's going to be mild across this area but we got to get through this week and certainly through this storm. neil? neil: oh, you tease us, young man, thank you very much, rick reichmuth, our chief meteorologist following all of this for us. in the meantime, following what's going on in kentucky, got a democratic governor, right? and they've got a republican attorney general and they're at laggerheads with the supreme court and the attorney general demanding the governor to explain how it's possible to target private schools for closure during the pandemic and not apply the same standard to public schools. then, a associate justice on the supreme court intervened to say governor, could you answer that charge? still waiting for the answer, after this. ♪ ♪ i got it all from you ♪ i'm always pushing through ♪ i know we'll make it to the finish line ♪ ♪ i know you're waiting on the other side ♪ ♪ i'm like you on-demand glucose monitoring. because they're always on. another life-changing technology from abbott. so you don't wait for life. you live it. always free. neil: the governor's office has been saying this is not targeting private schools. you say otherwise. >> well, that's exactly right. look, i look at this as a larger context. the fact of the matter is that he's infringing upon the first amendment rights of parents all across the commonwealth who simply want to send their children to religiously- affiliated schools. meanwhile, gambling parlors, retail shops, movie theaters, all continue to stay open. neil: all right, the governor says what the attorney general is charging and the subject of the suit is alleging is simply wrong kentucky governor andy bes hir did respond to a u.s. supreme court whether he can halt in-person classes of religious schools and he says he's actually been them all in light of the pandemic, and has nothing to do with them being private or otherwise. the read on all of this because it's an aggressive back and forth here, that's touching on the controversy of stomping stopping in-person schooling in the middle of the pandemic, regardless of what its done for private or public schools, katie where do you think this is going? >> well, it's a very interesting suit, in light of what the supreme court said a few weeks ago with the new york case. any infringement on religious practice cannot be more restrictive than a secular activity, and in this case, we have religious schools and non- religious schools that's what one side is saying but in reality the truth is that there are some schools that are still open, preschools, colleges, universities, and religious schools, for k-12 are being closed so the argument is that there's a bigger restriction on religious practice, because of that. and that's the first amendment violation potentially. neil: got it, so the governor's arguing that i'm not slighting private schools over public schools, technically it doesn't hold water here? >> there is an argument that there are other types of schools that are still open and it's not necessarily a question of is it school vs. school but is it a religious practice versus a secular activity and what the constitution requires and what the supreme court seems to indicate is that you can never put more restrictions on a religious activity than you do on a secular activity, so, here, when you're comparing just the schools themselves, perhaps, it looks the same but when you look at other secular activities , you're allowed to remain open there's a big difference in what is happening in the state of kentucky, so that's where i think that this is a very strong case for those schools. neil: so this goes way beyond just the schools in question. it's sort of like the same issue that restaurants that you apply a different standard to outdoor rallies, and the like, than you do to us, or churches where attendance is limited but not stores. how far does this go? >> that's the question that the court has to answer, but when you're looking at the first amendment then, this is the number one priority is to allow the free exercise of religion and the argument is here that religious schooling is a part of religious practice and so any infringement has to be considered strict scrutiny meaning there has to be the least-restrictive mode put on it to restrict it for a compelling government interest and when you have other businesses that are not protected by the first amendment , that are allowed to remain open with very little restrictions or with some restrictions, and you're not allowing the religious schools to open at all, even with those same restrictions, then you're really running into a first amendment issue here, in my opinion. neil: all right, katie, we'll watch it very closely thank you for taking the time to explain that. appreciate that katie cherkasky, again we hear other developments out of kentucky we'll let you know and we're also focusing on the state of georgia the president will be visiting v aldosta, georgia, today campaigning on behalf of those republican senatorial candidates but we will likely bring up his own fight with the state and republican officials there over the count of the presidential vote, more after this. ... >> we have four groups that we're already investigating, in fact, my son passed nearly three years ago and we've got two additional postcards for him to register to vote and the last time i talked about the three groups, that's five times he's received postcards. there's an attorney in fla na that's talking about moving to georgia to vote. we're investigating that. neil: all right. you know the secretary of state of georgia has come under a lot of heat for his handling of the vote count and recount and now, another hand count of the race four plus weeks ago, but it's the latest move to crack down on he claims are a number of progressive groups to entice people who don't live in georgia and vote in the race and they can leave whenever they want. as he indicated that's illegal, you can't do that. 's pursuing that. and in the meantime, it's happening the same time as the senatorial candidates will be facing off on january 5th. if the democrats would take both races they would have control of the united states senate, winning won wouldn't do it, they'd have to win both. and griff jenkins, what tt look like when the president arrives in valdosta. griff. >> hey, neil, good morning to you, it will be the president's first rally since the presidential election and he's bringing the first lady and you nailed, the stakes couldn't be higher. if the democrats win, they wouldn't just control the senate about you give president-elect biden, and to undo what the president has done. and rallying and trying to get georgians to turn out the vote. will is -- listen. >> between now and january 5th we need to get is done. we've all got our doubts about the last election, and i actually hear some people saying just don't vote. my fellow americans, if you don't vote, they win. >> so just how close are these senate races? look at the dead even polls here, purdue and ossoff separated by barely 2/10 of a point in the real clear politics average and half a point separates loeffler and warnock and 315 million combined between the two campaigns and outside groups. with 30 days to go and ossoff and warnock got a v.i.p. boost from former president president obama. >> a promise of the biden presidency and the harris vice-presidency rests in part on their ability to have a cooperative posture with congress and to do that, we have to have the two gentlemen who are running for senate in georgia, raphael warnock and jon ossoff, there to help move that agenda forward. >> meanwhile, the president's legal team feeling, neil, a new lawsuit here in georgia, this after the secretary of state's office rejected that viral video that purportedly showed some fulton county election workers illegally countying ballots and fulton county recertified results. what's interesting, neil, how the president weaves his message between his legal battles and the get out the vote for these senate races. monday is the last day for georgians to register to vote in these races. >> thank you very much, griff jenkins in the middle of that in valdosta, georgia. let's go to the g.o.p. strategist and as you know, democrats would have to take both of these races in order to flip the senate. how likely do you think that will be? >> well, i think, you know, it's really tight right now. it's always tough and georgia is, you know, we won-- biden won the presidency there. what is not helping republicans, and i've talked to my friends on the republican side of the aisle is the president signaling to voters in that senate that somehow their vote won't matter because it's fraudulent when there's no evidence to suggest that. so, i think, you know, what they're not saying-- what they're saying behind the scenes, stop saying that, i think that pence is delivering the other message which if you're a republican you need to hear, that your vote does matter and you need to get out the vote, but i think it's really tight and you know, for the first time in a long time, democrats have a real shot in georgia. neil: you know, when i hear the back and forth on this noel, i'm reminded of my conversation with chuck grassley and he definitely supports the president looking at every single vote making sure it was done honestly, truthfully, but he doesn't want the trip to georgia to be about him that he wants it to be about these two senatorial candidates and the more time speaking with the candidates and keeping control of the republican senate, the better. he seemed as concerned that the president would do that, do you? >> you know, i've heard a lot from mike and i think that that concerns ballots because what we fear that could happen is that when president trump goes down there, so much of the focus is going to be on that, president trump, and unfair elections and talking about, you know, an election nationally, rather than zeroing down on georgia, but with that said, there's kind of a flip side because we need his voters. we need his base to turn out and if a lot of his base are thinking, why even vote? it's not going to matter anyway, it's fraudulent, and they sit home, that's definitely going to affect, that's going to affect the outcome so we need every vote. everything counts. working for a super pac, they're focusing and honing in on voter turnout. g.o.p. voter turnout. every vote is going to matter in this thing. because if you look at the polls that you showed earlier, it's down to the wire. it's down to-- >> it really is. >> you know, and i've also looked at the amount of money being spent and these figures are all over the map and the latest ones i have that shows republicans are swamping democrats with 400% more cash going into this georgia senate race, and while they have a pit of a lopsided advertising commitment. 161 million versus 118 million for democrats, these polls to our point here are very, very tight. what would close the deal, do you think for democrats? because republicans are of the mindset, they think it's theirs to lose. as tight as the polls are, they don't reflect that what happened to the president isn't going to happen to these two. >> so, what i learned from the election is that i don't necessarily trust any poll. because we can spend, you know, one party can outspend like in south carolina, the other party by a large margin and you don't know what happened. and i think the voters have to be motivated. during the pandemic it's been really hard. democrats are generally really good getting out the vote going door-to-door, spending a lot of money and time and having that personal contact with voters and we haven't been able to do that and i think you've seen that reflected in some of the outcomes here. so, i think that being able to reach those voters, you know, using, you know, call centers, having people talk to individual people and go them out to vote. i think there's real hope on the democratic said that we could pull this out and that goes a long way. i'm a democrat from the state of texas and a lot of times, you just feel i'm a democrat, why would i go out and vote? we have no chance. it changes when we have something like this and i think that capitalizing on that sentiment if we're able to do that, then we can do this noel, quickly, joe biden in the cnn interview talks about while it means legal to him whether the president concedes or not, he thinks it matters for the american people that he show up at the inauguration. and that it would show a continuity and a sort of transition, a peaceful transition for which the country is well-known. do you agree with that, whether president trump attends joe biden's inauguration or anything like that? >> i do agree. it's formality, it's how we transform and transition into the next taking over. i actually do not think that president trump is going to show up. i think it's going to go down in the history books as someone that he's not going to admit that -- he doesn't believe what is happening in the election and there's fact that support either side, but i do not think that president trump is going to make this a smooth transition. i don't think he's even going to show up when the baton is passed. >> all right. we shall see. we don't know yet. and thank you both very, very much, ladies. i do appreciate it. i want to bring your attention to california and in georgia, right now, there are a number of incidents there were the spike in cases, very, very low hospital capacity has prompted a number of counties and cities to really crack down and revisit what are amounting to renewed lockdowns that could last at least a few weeks. christina coleman is in santa monica with more. christine. >> hi, neil, yeah, you know, it's back to square one here in california. the governor just issued the strictest covid lockdowns since march and this is really going to hurt businesses. >> this is the most challenging moment since the beginning of this pandemic. i'm not naive about what's being asked of you, i'm not naive about the pressure and the stress that you're under. i'm not naive about the impact this has on your dreams, particularly small businessmen and women. >> this new regional stay-at-home order focuses on hospitalizations. it breaks the state into five regions and when one falls below 15% icu capacity, every region is close to that threshold. yesterday the bay area implemented new restrictions and aggressive action is necessary right now considering the surge in covid cases. >> the dark covid winter that we feared would come has arrived in the bay area. i and other county health officers in the bay area don't think we could wait for the state's new restrictions to go into effect later this month. we must act swiftly to save as many lives as we can. this is an emergency. >> for residents, this lockdown means retail capped at 20% capacity. so plan ahead and give yourself extra time if you're shopping and you could be in long lines. playgrounds, museums, campgrounds, bars, live sports, amusement parks all closed, same goes for indoor and outdoor dining, it's prohibited. many restaurant owners are upset over this. they've spent a lot of money during the tough economic times to set up safe outdoor seating, only to be shut down yet again. >> we've invested in changing and adapting our business to be pandemic friendly and then, you know, the changes come again. >> it's really hard to keep a business going when the changes are happening constantly. >> now, once one of these lockdowns is triggered for a particular reason, it's set to last for at least three weeks. when you think about the holiday cells and holiday shopping, this is really going to take a toll on retailers, neil. >> all right. and christina, i'm sorry, i said that and i lost track where i was. thank you very much. and we saw the restrictions goes beyond the three weeks we were talking about, and tempers flare when this happens and included a dust-up between the governor of california and a certain sheriff over the issue of policing, well, governors' orders after this. >> all right, there's a lockdown in much of california and governor newsom wants them to support him not only law enforcement officials at that make sure everybody is abiding by restrictions at outdoor dining and what you've heard about, it's going on on steroids in the golden state. scott jones is a sacramento county sheriff and he already said he would not enforce these restrictions. do you still stand by that, sheriff? >> yeah, 100%. i mean, i, like everybody else, have strong individual feelings about some of these lockdowns and restrictions, but my reason for doing so is aside from that, it's practice cal, we don have the staffing and crimes go up during covid and we have the same calls for service, frankly, there are serious questions of constitutionality, we're guided by principles of probable cause and reasonable suspicion and you know, folks just telling us that they exist because they might promulgate an order from an unelected bureaucrat or even a politician is not sufficient to protect my folks. so, i'm just not willing to put my officers in the position to enforce those orders that are often conflict, off again/on again, it's just not practical for my officers to be enforcing those orders. >> is it weird for you? you contracted the virus, you tested positive for the virus, i believe that's still the case, is it not, sheriff? >> it is. i'm on my last few days of quarantine. and it wasn't-- although some folks like to associate i'm the sheriff not going to enforce the orders and i got covid and i got it quite boringly at work and i encourage everyone to follow their own safety practices. what we've seen in sacramento county and i suspect the same everywhere, the last seven months people have been armed with information and they have been able to make decisions that are best for their own, and their family's safety and i expect fully that those practices will continue. neil: and not surprisingly, the governor, without mentioning you by name, sir, has said that a few folks, some don't necessarily believe this is a serious pandemic still, which is remarkable and some that have expressed that actually tragically have come down with covid themselves. again, he was clearly referring to you and i'm just wondering, and this would have had nothing to do with so many of the restrictions he's addressing now, right? >> well, it doesn't. and you know, let's not forget, i'm a politician, true, but i also have over 2,000 employees, i have to be responsible for their safety. so we have initiated just dozens of different measures to try and keep folks safe in my agency, but we've gotten almost 100 folks that contracted it during the daily course of their essential work. we don't have the opportunity not to show up for work and being safe in everything that we do just by the nature of our work and i don't think the 14 million americans who, you know, who have contracted it and of course, the 300,000 or so that have perished should be blamed for contracting it. i think that's silly and misguided. like i said, in my sheriff's scott jones facebook post i'm only one sheriff and one jurisdiction, but i laid out simply the reasons i'm not going to enforce these orders. >> what if anything over the top, that you can't ignore, like a large gathering, you know, of people that's so loud that neighbors call and complain about it and then what would you do? >> well, i think, since day one, my position hasn't really changed. law enforcement in general and the sheriff's office in particular is going to have a role of education. we are going to try to make the decisions. loud parties and everything we would ordinarily respond to, we're going to respond to that. if it's a gathering that's dangerous for any number of reasons that we may try and break it up. but the reality is, as we've seen the last seven months and even early days of this pandemic when we thought that the outcomes were much more dire, we really saw that folks at least in sacramento county were doing the right things and for the right reasons and i think that folks want to comply with orders and with measures that they feel makes sense, and i don't expect that to stop anytime soon. >> have you and the governor talked at all? >> no, and i-- you know, i don't think it's that-- i don't think it's as big a deal as folks are trying to make it. i don't envy him having to go through an unprecedented crisis, and i'm sure he's making what is warranted under the situation and a lot of critics, including myself that don't necessarily agree with it, but at the end of the day, he has to make the decisions and be responsible for them and i have to in sacramento county. >> all right, sheriff, feel better. i hope you do. scott jones, the sacramento county sheriff. final days of dealing with covid-19 himself. all right in the meantime here, we now know that u.k. citizens can go ahead and get on emergency basis this vraciu.acc and approved, and technically our own f.d.a. has not yet pulled the trigger. it's supposed to happen in a matter of days. should we be concerned about that? 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let's go to dr. gupta. is there something we should worry about why the f.d.a. hasn't signed off on this yet? >> no, i think first of all, we have to remember that the f.d.a., european medicine agency and around the world, they are the agencies regulating this process and we have to remember there is a due diligence that occurs with vaccinations, and we have to give that process time. this has been a historic mission across the world and it's the biggest effort in history and it's certainly, it is an important prevention strategy. the strategy that is occurring to really help millions of people around the world and affecting 58 million people and 1.3 million lives lost. so these are important decisions on safety, efficacy. there's a lot of data that needs to be reviewed nation to nation, so, you know, there's a lot of work here that has to happen in a short amount of time. so i'm not concerned. we have to let them do their work to review the data very carefully. >> all right. well, if you're not concerned, doctor, i won't be concerned. so i'm glad you're not concerned. let me ask you about the process here. i understand that we have several companies that will have some type of treatment and/or vaccine. pfizer is getting attention, and down the road moderna and astrazeneca down the road. and i wonder when you as a doctor, you have to make the choice what you give to them and one promising for one patient versus another patient? how do you make that call? >> of course. look, one. biggest risk factors here for patients to get covid is age and exposure. so these are the populations that are going to get the vaccinations first and we're hearing that in the united states, we're hearing that in the u.k., that the elderly and the elk had workers and frontline workers are going to be the first population. that is important, number one, to understand. and number two is that, you know, as far as getting the vaccination to individuals, we have to remember, it's all about prevention combined with the vaccine, right? and when we combine both we are going to have the most advocacy. tying that in with education and trust and making sure that people understand that we need 67-- 60 to 70% of people on board to ultimately get the maximum benefit of these vaccines. so there's a lot of hurding ahead. the united states and u.k. are certainly at the race to get this vaccine in the next several weeks, if not early in 2021. but, i believe we're going to see really swift action here. >> now, i understand that the more popular vaccines are going to be done in two doses, so when i hear about, you know, 50, 40 million doses we're actually talking about 20 to 25 million who would be able to benefit from that, is that right? >> that is correct. that is correct. so, in the u.k. right now, you know, we know that there's 40 million doses that have been ordered from pfizer. that's enough for 20 million people. another 100 million from astrazeneca, another 7 million for moderna and these have all been ordered and there's a population of 67 million in the u.k. so that's enough to get the entire population in the u.k. immunized. so this is an important number and certainly very historic and we'll be hearing about the rollout very, very soon in the next week, hopefully. and in the united states, december 10th is going to be a very important day, that's when the f.d.a. meets with an advisory panel to determine whether or not the pfizer vaccine will get an emergency use authorization. so these dates are very important and what we'll hear what happens. neil: all right. dr. gupta, great catching up with you and learning about where we stand in this whole process. hope springs, as they say, eternal. dr. anita gupta john hopkins school of medicine. we're watching for developments out of paris right now. protests having nothing to do with vaccines, having everything to do with what protesters are saying is rampant police brutality. they have some racial violence issues over there. what they're upset about is their demands that police cool it when it comes to apprehending, a few weeks ago, a black man shot in custody and enough is enough and they cited some of the police officers in that matter. the response it got from authorities to said you've gone a bridge too far and hence, these protests and it's gotten violent and nasty and holidays be damned. it's still ongoing. more after this. the medicare enrollment deadline is monday, which means time is running out to pick a medicare plan. with so many changes, do you know if your plan is still the right fit? 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the president is claiming you can't willy nilly price the product and make it expensive here and literally a fraction of the cost abroad. can they do this? >> this has been a debate of capitalism and when the governor is the consumer are they given fair prices? that's what president trump is trying to do is protect the government's interest in the pricing of the drugs. and he has the right to do that and he as an executive order used the proper process the way they're going about it. but for the most part that's going to be hashed out in the courts and in my mind he's on solid ground to proceed with this at this point. neil: and i remember looking at some of the drugs in question and how much more some of them were in the united states. the response by the drug industry said, well, different strokes for dinner market folks and that that's sometimes the way it is and they have to recoup their costs, generally in an area where there is the ability to resume the cost in a rich country like our own, does that argument hold for you? >> no, i don't think so. you have to think of the country as a whole, particularly coming out of the covid. we are going to have a hard time paying the covid debt and we see tax increases coming. i have a wealthy friend on medicare went to get the blood sugar regulation machine at cvs, it was 150 or $200 if he bought retail at cvs. when he got the medicare bill, they were paying on his behalf $1,000 a month. it's egregious, for medicare paying $1,000 a month and retail they're 250. the pricing for the same product should have some more consistency. neil: timing is everything, and john layfield, i noticed following in the waning weeks presuming of the trump administration. what do you think of that. >> i think the method is wrong, i think the problem we have is transparency and that's why there's call for so much more in the united states when you have a manufacturer, a distributor, a pharmaceutical rep, a doctor, a former benefits manager and a pharmacy and insurance company taking a piece of the pie. they don't want transparency and the reason we're not getting transparency is because our congress has been bought and paid for by the pharmaceutical lobby that's going on that's preventing this transparency. they don't want to have the list price listed because they say that's not the price people pay. well, show the price the people pay. we have a problem with the lack of transparency not how many we insurance in the health care system and i think what will fix the health care system is transparency. neil: what do you make of other countries and industries that are watching this closely? because there are different standards. you've traveled the world and reported technology and everything and you can clearly see that iphones, a lot of the technology that we old precious here and they hold more precious and charge more has a result. i'm wondering what's behind that thinking? depending how far it goes to katie's point, it could open up a pandora's box of issues that a lot of companies would probably prefer not to be opened up. >> i agree, but keep in mind, neil, we're talking about the government buying something, right? so i'm sure the government does buy iphones, but it's not the primary way to most people get iphones, it's what the government can charge. and do they have a legal leg to stand on? in fact, they do and the irony here, neil, is that the trump administration is relying on a small provision in obamacare, which it has ineptly tried to eliminate and they didn't go about this well. they're trying to run a pilot program for this specifically. that's the reason why they'll probably lose in court. there's a right way going about doing this is passing legislation. the trump administration is in line with democrats that passed legislation or moved legislation that doesn't get enacted. there's a way to go about it and they're going about it wrong and have to wait for the next administration, that may well act on drug prices, but i doubt on other things. neil: the companies say they have to recoup the cost for the development of drugs, and for example, vaccines, being bandied as a possible cure for the whole virus. so, they have to recoup that somewhere and you go to the richer countries to recoup it. is that a sound legal argument? >> i think i'd have to question whether that's the actual impact or a hit to the profits overall and if it's a question of allocation of that. sure, this will definitely hit the bottom line for the pharmaceutical companies, but the way they're paid out, there's a consideration in that and i think there's a consideration for what is going on here? >> you know, cynical, but right. i didn't think about that. francis, i'm wondering where this goes. if you're looking at the industry, it's biotech or pharmaceutical, they've been getting attention through the pandemic. is it going to cast a pall, that after the president leaves office this is going to linger because it has some traction to it, i would imagine. it's not going to go way a. what do you think? >> i think it's something that's going to linger, i think it's going to become a political issue and i think it's something that people understand. i think the big political issues at the end. day that, you know, parties beholdened in some ways are the things that people really understand and i think when you get into the more complicated machinations of taxes and taxpayers and that, i think that people think it's unfair that other countries are getting these cheaper and medicare is making up for with are they're not charging elsewhere. >> and they're targeting you guys, the georgia race is going on. we've told you how tight the poll is going there. if both of those seats go democrat and wall street sees that the balance it wanted to offset the biden administration and spending plans, and suddenly, that senate is democrat, the fallout for the markets, john? >> i think the fallout from the market is going to be severe. i think the market wants a balance of power. the market doesn't care who is the president, but they care there's a balance of power in the three branches. and it's much better with what our forefathers had in mind. if the democrats gain control of the senate, i think it will be bad for the market because of that. >> adam. >> i totally disagree. we saw that the market did well once there was certainty that president-elect biden had beaten president trump and i would get after some of the near-term things that happen the market would react similarly to a democratic senate. neil: but didn't the near-term market reaction turn on the view that it was going to be a split government? >> sure, but-- well, or the certainty that it knew what was going on instead of this craziness of the president of the united states challenging a fair election. i just think that the market responds to certainty and it would have certainty in that situation. neil: all right. i want to thank you-- go ahead, go ahead. >> a week before the election it looked like we would have a split branch and that's the reason the market was um. the week of the election it looked united democrat the market doesn't like, that's why it was down in my opinion. neil: your opinion dually noted. i'm glad you're on remote if i argued with you here you could beat me up. this worked out just fine. guys, thank you all very, very much. i hope you have a wonderful holiday. in the meantime, a michigan restaurant owner who was defying, still defying orders that he shut down. he's not. he's here. he's next. a must in your medicine cabinet! less sick days! cold coming on? zicam® is clinically proven to shorten colds! highly recommend it! zifans love zicam's unique zinc formula. it shortens colds! zicam zinc that cold! >> all right, hell hath mow fury like a governor scorned who doesn't do his or in the case of michigan, her bidding right now. there's a great deal of concern back and forth about standing orders that are going on across the country on the part of governors trying to deal with a crackdown in cases right now or a rise in cases. mitch spanler, he needs this for his livelihood and the governor says indoor dining is banned because of the spikes. you're staying open through this, right? >> yes, i am, neil. like you side, it's a matter of survival. i've invested about $500,000 in two buildings, i'm been open a little less than two years and once the closure came and cash flow dropped off. i relied on family and friends and i have 30 employees, it wasn't a matter of standing up to the governor, but it's survival of livelihood to ensure that i have an income and my employees who are loyal employees have a job and that's the number one reason i've decided to do what i'm doing. >> has anyone, local authorities stopped by? >> yes, they have. the local health department stopped and issued a cease and desist order, and then took a police report and sent it to lansing and we've since had a cease and desist order issued by the michigan department of agriculture and a local neighbor here in jonesville called and offered pro bono representation as an attorney, his name is robert norton. he's also the lead council for hillsdale college here in hillsdale. he's not representing me in any capacity there, but we're looking at all legal option toss remain open and ensure that i can pay the people that trusted me and i can continue to pay my employees and the support here, locally, as well as people from a distance who have called or stopped by has been overwhelmingly humbling and it's not so much that i'm making a political statement, it's just a matter of surviving through the times and this is my only other option was bankruptcy and to walk away and i just can't do that. friends, family, my mom, and 70 years old and i purchased the money from here and that's where the money comes from and it would be a travesty and a tragedy to walk away and file bankruptcy. neil: now, governor gretchen whitmer, i don't know if you heard directly from her office, but she has been saying the bigger issue is protecting michigan residents and that you risk that by staying open. what do you say? >> we're currently following all of the guidelines that were put in place prior to closing. my staff, are masked up, we're completely sanitizing prior to reopening and i invested in an electrostatic disinfectant sprayer that fogs everything and deep cleaning and killing the virus. neil: you've been doing the right things, so we'll see. and mitch, keep us posted how things are going, you're a brave man and you're trying to help a lot of people and your workers so it's certainly understandable. mitch, hang in there, all right? >> thank you. neil: all right. i apologize for that abrupt ending here. we're focused on developments in paris and focused on developments going on in china, nothing to do with the virus. everything is becoming a military threat for the incoming administration after this. [ whispering ] what's this? oh, are we kicking karly out? we live with at&t. it was a lapse in judgment. at&t, we called this house meeting because you advertise gig-speed internet, but we can't sign up for that here. yeah, but i'm just like warming up to those speeds. you've lived here two years. the personal attacks aren't helping, karly. don't you have like a hot pilates class to get to or something? [ muffled scream ] stop living with at&t. xfinity can deliver gig to the most homes. >> all right. and january 20th when joe biden takes over as the president of the united states he's going to have a tense relationship with china and some of the moves between our countries seems that's a given. lucas, what's going on here? >> good morning, the state department severed ties with china over five cultural programs, calling them propaganda tools and cut back on visas for chinese communist members and their families, due to quote, china's nefarious activities. and chief ratcliffe warned that chi china, and calling it the greatest existential threat saying we might not go to war with china, but they're prepared in case. the chinese communist party continues the crackdown on hong kong, and 24-year-old joshua wang, and 26-year-old ivan lamb endured solitary confinement and sentenced to president and china now has the biggest navy in the world and has the biggest stock pile of carrier missiles. and the u.s. is looking at expanding the fleet, but it's not sure if the next administration has the same zeal. on capitol hill. >> we need to protect every ship yard we have. the chinese has 25 shipyards to our one. >> china might have more hulse, but the u.s. navy has mo more tonnage. they have 11 nuclear aircraft carriers compared to china's two. and more fled the u.s. after the fbi cracked down and arrested some chinese for spying inside the united states and with ties to the military. neil: lucas is in washington. we're learning in russia, nothing to do with china by the way, and they, too, dispensing what they hope to have a government sanctioned vaccine that will be available immediately for various centers where they're providing it. worldwide the vaccine race is on. fox news continues. i'll see you monday. >> oh, we're just a couple of hours away from president trump heading down to georgia. he's going to be out campaigning for the republican senate runoff candidate kelly loeffler and david perdue in the peach state. this will be the president's first trip out on the road since the election. there's video from him on thursday at the white house. from the headquarters, i'm leland vittert. gillian, the crowds lining up in georgia starting at 7 a.m. this morning. gillian: i know, these are folks who have been supporting the president for years. they want to be there now for what some of

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