now, how do you not get behind that? what's the argument? >> i think most men will be afraid of companies and how big business will respond to this. but the reality is they should pay attention to the 2018 midterm elections and pay attention to women voters. we saw what women do when they're upset, they go to the ballot, and they'll be going to the ballot box in 2020 and they want these votes. and this is one of the main issues they can reach women voters with. >> well, those men candidates might be afraid of companies and the ceos of those companies are going to be afraid of being exposed for pushing back on why they wouldn't want to pay their employees fairly. eugene, beth, thank you both so much. next, pregnancy is not an injury. nike now changing its policy toward pregnant athletes thanks to one olympian and a mom, alicea montano who spoke out right here on "velshi & ruhle." she is back with us this time to talk about her latest win. one might say she's running a victory lap. you're watching msnbc. stick around. victory lap. you're watching msnbc. stick around