that michael cohen ultimately decided not to sort of return the call or get back in touch with that person, but it doesn't say anything about did he do anything else with that information? did he pass it on to anyone else in the organization? did me make anyone else aware of it? was donald trump aware of it? we don't know. maybe the special counsel is silent on that fact. it's relevant to the investigation and we wants to keep it quiet. >> we have hardly scratched the surface. we appreciate you both being here. stick around, matt, and i'm going to talk with you about the manafort filing. i need to stick with cohen for a while here, though, to talk about the legal ramifications of tonight's russia revelations. i'm joined by kim way lee, elliott williams, deputy attorney general in the united states under president obama, and msnbc legal analyst and former assistant special prosecutor -- special watergate prosecutor, in fact, nick akerman. let me start with you, nick. you and i have been talking about this for a long time. i went in close to the ground on
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