con text to try to make sure that i wasn't as effective as a leader moving forward. >> shulkin was also asked how specifically he learned he had been fired. he wouldn't weigh in on that. i can tell you two white house officials have told nbc news that he was informed during a phone call with the chief of staff general john kelly during the day prior to the president's tweet that came out last night. >> so the president didn't fire him, it was his chief of staff? >> that's according to two white house officials. >> okay, thank you so much, kristen. my panel, john shuttllts. michael steele is former rnc chairman. liz smith, a democratic strategist. john, your members are all impacted by this. what's your thought about jackson? >> unprepared, completely unprepared. i'm sure he's a great doctor but if you've been following the