williams. and jane small, "time" magazine. lady, welcome to you both. katie, your reaction to the white house' defense of this controversial pardon and the signal it's sending when it comes to any future pardons. >> certainly the criticism you are hearing from democrats on capitol hill is that they believe the president is sending kind of a wink-wink nod-nod to some of the potential witnesses in the federal probe into russian interference in the election. the suggestion being that the president might be saying to them, look, i'll take care of you no matter what happen, even if special counsel mueller does come to levy charges. now, there's certainly pushback from the other side this is overblown, the criticism you're hearing from republicans has more to do with the law enforcement question. remember, sheriff arpaio was convicted of defying a federal