>> the thing of which there's the most evidence is the first order thing that they hacked it for whatever reason to sow discontent because they like trump, they hated hillary clinton. >> they want to sow division in the united states which all great power countries do. we do it. this would be an extraordinary episode but certainly there's no evidence that i've seen that there's this other element where it's a manchurian candidate, there's a plot and that would be an order of magnitude much larger. >> and malcolm, i believe you are a -- you worked obviously in the intelligence community for years, you wrote a book about russia's involvement in this election and you are a believer