house about what is effective? >> well, there is. and the white house is not really publicly weighing in. you heard president obama essentially say that's not the main question here. the question is whether or not we should be using those tactics. but there is a big debate over whether the tactics were actually useful. whether they produced what is being referred to as actionable intelligence. cia director john brennan making a very strong case and saying, look, some of the information we obtained was useful. but senator dianne feinstein saying the report proves otherwise. there is a very robust debate. but the white house saying, the bottom line is these tactics are outlawed, and should continue to be. >> thanks so much. >> thanks. well, the revelations in the torture report have been divisive in the u.s. what's it going to mean for international relations. joining me now, bill richardson who previously served as ambassador to the united nations, energy secretary and u.s. congressman who served on the intelligence committee. with a welcome to you, sir, you
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