you have the debate. that's the right way to do thsmght the other side of this we can have the rule of law. >> martha: isn't that what we are doing in the next six months in terms of having the debate about the people who are in the shadows as you say? >> no. this debate that's been ensued, it starts with amnesty. that's been the mistakes every time to lead with amnesty. you have to demonstrate border security and the restoration of the rule of law. when do you that it's not going to happen overnight. >> that sounds to me like what the president is asking for here. tell me what it isn't. >> i hope we have the votes in congress to pass that. >> martha: increase border security. he already has said he wants to throw out any criminal illegal aliens. obviously the crime being the second one after coming here illegally and to begin the process of dealing with the paper who are, quote, in the shadows and coming up with daca over the next six months. >> um-huh. it's not what i have said. what i have said is we can't just promise we are going to enforce the law.