changed. you can charge older people more than you are now. those are not trump voters. >> bret: the pushback is from conservatives to say this is not fully being repealed and it leaves an entitlement state in place. the leadership is saying it's in three phases, and it seems like they had a hard time explaining it off the get-go. there is this first part and then the regulatory part secretary price does and then there's the other piece of legislation dealing with across the lines and other elements that are attractive to republicans. >> conservatives are right in their criticism and my colleague at "the "washington examiner,"" an expert on this. liberals have won the central philosophical argument and republicans are reduced to fighting over the mechanics. that is the fight we are watching take place. i don't agree with mara.