was used at abu grahd. that flat out, according to mr. rodriguez who -- he was in charge of enhanced interrogation techniques, wrote an op ed in the "washington post" and said that simply did not happen. of course, stanley mccrystal, after the -- >> brian: real quick, he said he used interrogation like waterboarding. >> steve: just not that. >> brian: the stuff that they took was not what he did and they're trying to pin it on the c.i.a. but that was from this abu grahd stuff that some renegade soldiers did when things were running amuck in iraq. they also said on radio yesterday, jose rodriguez from the c.i.a. will be joining us tomorrow. >> gretchen: he's written a book about what was going on during that whole time period. general mccrystal also talked about how his wife reacted when he went and resigned in front of the president and he was a bit surprised at what she said. >> i got out of the car and the one beauty is i thought i knew