how significant the problem is, because we're not able to cross the threshold to get there to say we need help. i started to bring max back to church a few years ago -- we had been five years at home. i thought there was one thing he loved about church when he was young. he loved it to be over. we went back when it was over. >> it's not just autistic children who feel that way. [laughter] >> so we went back at the end of church. we called it backward church. a man came up to max and asked him to help stack chairs. so max started helping out. and at the end of the service, he came back to max and put his hand on his shoulder and said max we could use you on the grunt crew. that's the team that cleans up the church afterwards. he was so proud to be asked. it just took that one invitation. and for six years we went to backwards church, and max became a central part