>> bill: it gets a little complicated -- congressman, it gets a little complicated when state workers make more in benefits and salary than their peers in the private sector. and that's where we are right now that the state guys and gals make more money and the states are saying we can't afford to pay them. now in new york state where you and i live, congressman rangle, we have pretty much the highest tax burden in the nation. a democratic governor cuomo is going to take a saw to these benefits in the state worker program. are you going to support governor cuomo, congressman rangle? >> you know, if this is just a question of the budget and sharing the sacrifice, i would not be as concerned about what is happening in wisconsin as i am now. i truly believe, unlike new york, that in wisconsin there is a move to try to destroy the union and, therefore, the standards in which nonunion people enjoy have been negotiated through collective