>>neil: i don't know if we can play part of that. listen to this tape and we will talk. >> we lost more job because of the recession than created by the programs. gross. that is gross. >> you are the chief economist there. >> absolutely. >> where did you get your degree, at a baking school? where are you cooking up the numbers. >> you are a joker. >>neil: now i probably had it coming, but, david, my point, and this was extreme and he is a good guy but it got heated, but i see more of this. and not just with me, by the way, a pleasant fellow, as you know, david. but i see more of it. period. and i wonder if that is a form of intimidation or what? >>guest: we are seeing a point with a lot of frustration among unions. they failed to get what they