but, not net creation. we lost more jobs because the recession and -- than were created by the programs. is that a problem with you -- >> wait a minute, you are the chief economist there. >> absolutely. >> where did you get your degree, at a baking school what where are you cooking up the numbers. >> you are a joke -- [bleeped]. >> and we have not seen results for that money. >> how do i follow that up, i'm charles payne in for neil cavuto. let's be -- get reaction from gerri willis, matt mccall and al lewis. >> neil is right, for the love of god, i mean, you know, that is crazy, what the administration is doing and we have the -- had the numbers friday on unemployment, horrible. and, the government is -- itself is not creating jobs, taking away jobs in the gulf, this is -- because of their policies and export and import and cutting the jobs and the problem isn't, are we spending enough to create jobs, the problem is, by their