what she also said is that washington is useless to the people in arizona, in new mexico, in texas, in california. >> look, the rhetoric is -- >> bill: what would you say to her? >> i would say that the rhetoric is overheated. i'm not certain of the 87 number, but i do think there has been a change in the nature of illegal crossings. look, ten years ago, 15 years ago, you could go buy a coyote service to get you across the border for $100, $200, it's now costing $2500, it's costing more because it's tougher to get across the border. the federal government has doubled the size of the border, tripled its budget, put a lot of technology and a lot of resores on the border, including the wall. bill: she says that's not enough, obviously. >> it obviously isn't. in fact i am concerned that the obama administration has slowed up the construction of the wall and has been apparently, cood to go some people i'm talking to in texas, reluctant to expand a program called 287g, this is a program signed into law by president clinton that says

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