movement is still in its genesis stage but now they are starting to demonstrate they can play and have an impact in important races around the country because they have shown that they can organize and shown they can bring together the resores they need to impact races. jon: joe, the resources they brought together so far have been mostly people and votes, they don't generally seem to have a lot of money. don't you need money to be effective in politics and don't you need organization, a central organization to handle money? >> well, you sure do. and each of these individuals has the capacity to spend 25, $30 in -- send 25, $30 into the candidate they support. you look at mark rubio in florida, the money raising ability he's had, he's a darling of the tea party movement. one of the things i learned from running the dean campaign, that campaign was ridiculed by the democratic party establishment, yet we had grassroots organizations all over the country, dean for america turned into an