Over various issues. if they get too organized and too official, does it just lose some of that responsenate and some of the effectiveness? it may lose its charm but it will have a greater impact. look jon: so you think this is a good idea. you think it s a good idea. absolutely. look, enthusiasm and outrage are fantastic, especially when you re just trying to get 1000 people at a rally. but in order to effect change, in order to have an impact on elections you need organization. so grassroots is no good unless the grassroots activists are being organized and they re being strategically placed around districts and congressional districts or in states or in races where they can matter. so it has to be a grassroots, bottoms-up movement, that still has some sort of organizational capacity, so it is a good thing, but yo is right, the one thing is that we can t have it break off where it s a lineman right now its alignment on issues, helping republicans and bringing actually pla
Organization called democracy for america, howard dean actually ends up being chairman of the party, and a lot of that grassroots activity and money contributed to the big wins that we had, democrats had, in 2006, and the obama can dancy, with foundation, the same techniques we pioneered in the dean compare helped him win the presidency. so when you look at what s going on with the tea party right now, the question is does it get sort of sucked into the republican party, really into the mainstream of the republican party, the way that the dean activists were from 2004, or does it remain a separate entity, can it maintain that, and does that lead to some kind of fissure or new party at some point. that s where this is going over time, i think. jon: is there a danger, kevin i mean, part of the appeal of the tea party movement is, you know, i guess it s grassroots in nature, the fact that citizens are just sort of banding together and voicing their collective outrage
Movement is still in its genesis stage but now they are starting to demonstrate they can play and have an impact in important races around the country because they have shown that they can organize and shown they can bring together the resores they need to impact races. jon: joe, the resources they brought together so far have been mostly people and votes, they don t generally seem to have a lot of money. don t you need money to be effective in politics and don t you need organization, a central organization to handle money? well, you sure do. and each of these individuals has the capacity to spend 25, $30 in send 25, $30 into the candidate they support. you look at mark rubio in florida, the money raising ability he s had, he s a darling of the tea party movement. one of the things i learned from running the dean campaign, that campaign was ridiculed by the democratic party establishment, yet we had grassroots organizations all over the country, dean for america turned into an
Jane: the tea party express is rolling into minnesota, they have now the formation of a national federation, some say too much organization could actually spell the end of the party. some say it could be the beginning of something much, much bigger. the president of kyrzygstan is this morning insisting he will not resign, despite this bloody uprising and the formation of an opposition government. the white house is weighing in, saying they re not sure who s in charge there. we re live on the ground in a country that is strategically important to us and our troops in afghanistan.
Starting to band together, creating a federation with some central leadership and a unified message and some folks are wondering could it actually backfire. let s talk about it with kevin madden from mitt romney s campaign, joe trippe was howard dean s campaign manager, s a fox news contributor. welcome to both of you. kevin, what do you think, can the various tea party organizations that have sprung up around the country, can they band together and still embrace the goals that prompted them in the first place? right, i think there are many in the tea party movement that may get nostalgic for the disorganized nature of it all, but any republican, democrat or independent will tell you that in order to be effective in electable politics, you have to have two important things and that s organization and money. you have to have the resources to bring people together, and you have to have the resources and organization to get people out to vote and to learn about what your issues are. so