another step in that obstruction case. >> really quickly, really quickly, last night we did hear from one of the jurors on the paul manafort case. let's listen very quickly. >> we all tried to convince her to look at the paper trail, we laid it out in front of her again and again and she still said that she had a reasonable doubt. and that's the way the jury worked. we didn't want it to be hung, so we tried for an extended period of time to convince her, but in the end, she held out and that's why we have ten counts that did not get a verdict. >> this is one juror, shan, saying that there was one holdout on the ten counts that were hung there. but we also learned some other fascinating things from this juror. what did you take from her comments? >> that makes a lot of sense. and when we saw that first note, that's what many of us thought was going on, is they needed a reinstruction on reasonable doubt to convince somebody. and that -- it really shows the