as a legal challenge -- >> we don't know that yet. i just need to say that on the record. that's your suspicion but we don't know that yet. >> i'm willing to say that based on my analysis of this and sekulow's and even john dowd back in the beginning, i've never seen a situation in which we pressed them for, what do you have, you want him to testify, tell us what you have, and they go mum on us. usually that means they have nothing. i wanted to get a witness to testify. i gave him at least one good fact that would shake their day. >> i want to ask you about something that is new this weekend, and that is the special counsel apparently wants to interview white house chief of staff john kelly. and that, too, is up in the air. what is the mueller team saying to your team about what they want to discuss with kelly? >> they're not. they're dealing with emmitt on that, emmitt flood, the president's special counsel for this investigation, as is the right thing to do. i'm glad to see that emmitt is

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