you wouldn't believe, ryan the arguments i get in with people i thought were rational and sane about uranium one. and i say have you read the information? do you know what goes into getting a fisa -- what happens when wupt to get a fisa request? what happens at a fisa court? most of them don't. they just know talking points they hear from the president and his allies and conservative media, mostly fox news. the attempts to discredit -- they keep coming. are they having an impact. >> well, there is not -- there is a lot of scientific research now about this phenomenon of fake news and why it's so hard to kill a fake story. there is a great piece in scientific american about this. and the authors note a phenomenon of the illusion of truth or what stephen cobert called truthiness.

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