when wupt to get a fisa request? what happens at a fisa court? most of them don't. they just know talking points they hear from the president and his allies and conservative media, mostly fox news. the attempts to discredit -- they keep coming. are they having an impact. >> well, there is not -- there is a lot of scientific research now about this phenomenon of fake news and why it's so hard to kill a fake story. there is a great piece in scientific american about this. and the authors note a phenomenon of the illusion of truth or what stephen cobert called truthiness. once you get it in your head and it may have been reported by a respected news organization, it's very hard especially for partisans constantly looking for information to confirm their biases, which frankly that's human nature. all of us do that. it's very hard for people to --

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