pastry? >> fergus: no, it's puff pastry. somehow trenches of fats from the pig's head out and bust right in and makes this sort of a crust. >> anthony: it's gorgeous. >> jay: indeed. >> anthony: wow, that's good. >> jay: it's extraordinary. you look at this pie and it's almost like something out of a children's book >> anthony: right. >> jay: the pie tradition is something very, very special. if you go back in history to the hogarth painting, the "roast beef of old england." >> anthony: yeah. >> jay: you'll realize that actually we were far ahead of the french in the preparation of beef and the roasting of meats. a lot of it was over our side of the channel. >> anthony: yeah. >> jay: which is no reason for leaving the european union. >> anthony: so, they call it great britain. what's great about britain? >> jay: i can refer to a certain literacy and a wry sense of humor, um, and a political tradition of democracy which, ironically, the referendum that's caused so many of us so much pain is a perfect example of. also a weirdly cosmopolitan welcoming environment in which