Transcripts For CSPAN2 Daniel Esty A Better Planet 20240713

Transcripts For CSPAN2 Daniel Esty A Better Planet 20240713

Or do whatever you do we have the tv here tonight you dont want your phone to be the one that rings on national television. I will be running around with a wireless microphone if you have a question please raise your hand and wait for me to get to you. That way it is picked up for the recording as well if you decide you like to have a copy of the book after the talk head back into the store to pick up a copy or two or three. Then come right back to sign them. Listing to a better planet. To take action on Climate Change and water shortages and air pollution. This is a practical solution to sustainability also environmental leaders from across the political spectrum professor of financial law at environmental studies from the former head Connecticut Department of protection and is highly qualified to have written this book. The book includes fresh thinking on topics free ranging from big data Environmental Justice to fracking and systems analysis public land so there is a lot in this book and he will talk about it much more eloquently so please welcome daniel sp. [applause] thank you so very much. Thank you all for being here and taking time out of your busy lives to be part of a conversation i will speak for a few minutes but i wanted to get into back and forth dialogue interrupt me if there is a pressing point or to explain the concept or dig into something you want to challenge. Im thrilled to have you here at what is truly a critical moment for the country not just because of what is going on with the impeachment hearings but a critical moment for the environment and all of us know there has been a lot going on with fires in california increasingly as the new norma normal, a deregulatory agenda in washington that has an enormous number of people worried about the framework of Environmental Protection in place over 50 years. And frank lee beyond that a whole set of questions of Us Engagement on issues like Climate Change and participation in the International Agreement of paris Climate Change there is a lot going on and it is a particularly good moment to dig in and ask what is the future . How do we move ourselves as the book attempts to suggest to a Sustainable Future . I want to share some thoughts on that question and then what are the challenges and what it will take to break the gridlock to move us toward a path that provides way to go across political, regional divides and ways that people not come to agreement on how to move the agenda of energy and environment and broad sustainability. And in the midst of chaos , some things are clear. We do face serious and important environmental challenges Climate Change is looming large over profoundly reshaping the world we live in and the planet we inhabit the water issues are significant air quality, exposure to heavy metal all of us live and work with the flint water crisis and that the world has Environmental Issues to remain unaddressed and critically urgent to address. From the academic point of view the planetary boundaries has now been well chronicled so we know there is a pressing set of issues that cannot be ignored and now we are stuck for a generation i would argue since the 1992 Framework Convention on Climate Change was launched which was the last major piece of environmental legislation but we have not seen such redirecting of our Environmental Program and focus. We have urgent needs and also clearly have changed circumstances from the time our framework was put together beginning with conversations in the sixties spurred by silent spring spurred by Critical Issues and then 1970 of course now we are headed for the 50th anniversary for a number of things that happened at that moment. The 1970 birthday kicked off the modern Environmental Movement in many ways and in many parts of the country april 2020 we will celebrate the 50th anniversary. 1970 also the policy act was put together as a Framework Structure of our Environmental Program and what people see today the Sustainability Framework we may use to redefine the Program Going forward into the 21st century it is the launch of the epa and the Clean Air Act seen as the critical piece of structure of air pollution control. We have been at this for 50 years but the world is very different today from the seventies or sixties or eightie eighties. In the last 25 years had a complete transformation around Digital Technology and the potential of Information Technology and Communication Technology not available and within that framework framed around a lack of data of the epa federal government to step in and tell us the problems and Technology Solutions who should take responsibility for action monitoring if they take action on a topdown basis and frankly following a model we now call command and control Regulatory Framework depending on mandates from on high its a very different world with an abundance of data with Incredible Technology allow us to track with much better precision we can model to understand where harm comes from who is affected and how much all of which is very new. In the past we had to generalize to get a framework of rules in place today we can be much more granular we also have much better science. Epidemiology has improved dramatically in the 50 year period for go we have a great deal of knowledge of air pollution or water exposure. And we also learned some people exposed to a certain level would not be affected if its air pollution and they had compromise respiratory systems could be badly affected by that same level of pollution so there was a broad distribution of impact and how it will affect different people we also learned a lot in the Ecological Sciences of the study of nature fundamentally one of the premises of our Legal Framework to have an air and waste and water act is a mistake we live in a world deeply interconnected in the core insight the need to manage in an integrated way to understand the deep interconnectedness for citizens thinking to recognize those as fundamental to good policy and i would argue broadly the systems dynamic needs to be applied across the spectrum another element of the 20th century approach of environmental law and policy was this idea we should break problems apart to get manageable bites we could handle . But in doing so we didnt get the integration otherwise available to solve problems in an integrated and thoughtful way and it tended to leave us to ignore the tradeoffs we didnt understand environmental policy had to be made in the context of economic consequences. We did not Pay Attention that when you invest the certain aspect you may not have money or resources for staffing left to focus on other issues. Absolutely we have not fully processed in the seventies and eighties how profoundly shaped the environmental world would be like Energy Policy choices. We have a deep appreciation for better integration and energy and environment and air water and waste federal state local managed in the integrated way that is the fundamental points of learning. Now we have 50 years of policy experience more are to some kinds of solutions so just to give a quick example some issues like lead exposure there is no safe level and we just want to get out of the ecosystem and we have done that there is a an enormous success with lead exposure to be the best because of all the things we have learned, the danger exposure particularly for children is the most profound. We have done a pretty good job getting led out of gasoline and paint even the blood levels of lead have dropped dramatically. That is a huge policy success. One of the other things i would say is and to do Environmental Protection for those who try to argue thats not true. Billions of dollars saved huge amount of Public Health gain with lack of exposure to cancercausing agents and Life Expectancy the one thing we know for sure is the digital model of governance federal government topdown will need to give way to much more multilevel structure of decisionmaking leadership and actual implementation of Environmental Programs something needs to be done at the federal level to set the standards but statelevel implementation is key and that degree statelevel choice to match circumstances with the strategy is important to look at Critical Issues like Climate Change some of the most Creative Work is done at the city scale. A big believer city state federal for issues like Climate Change degree of Global Cooperation as well and thats now the best practice we have recognized and clearly do need multiple levels. Further we need to recognize it is not done by government at all that the private sector and we recognize there are opportunities to engage not just the Business World but finance world huge potential to flow capital tool Environmental Solutions coming back from problem causing elements in the Business World with business behavior no longer delivers the results that we want or creating problems that we cannot afford and in that regard i would tell you fundamental to the vision is a principal for the 2t century that i think reflects the changing norm in society already evident to underpin the path forward of 21st century strategy thats the idea Going Forward any business that has a Business Model to depend on putting harm on the community and pollution of the smokestack or a pipeline or any overspill over of harm would not be permitted to do that anymore or at least with not paying for it. So we build on a dude norm that says me will count on the end of externalities. And me will end up with a new game plan that says we can track where arms come from it anything beyond the minimus level has to be either stopped or paid for in a systematic way thats the new norm for other categories in that Society Gathering in 1974 this conversation i might as well be smoking a pipe so you would be smoking cigarettes there would be clouds of smoke and that was the norm. We didnt have clarity on the degree of health risk but today we are very clear if you light up a cigarette today the norms have fundamentally changed is not just a bad call headeds unacceptable with regard to pollution but to be seen as an acceptable way to do business. One of the things we need is moral clarity on the idea that causing harm to others is no longer acceptable in the pollution context to extract sources whether cut from public lands water extracted from shared rivers or any number of things also has to be paid for we cannot up people to take things for their own private benefit from Public Resources without paying for them. This is the new principal that provides the foundation and what we will see is spilling out broadly in the months and years ahead also with regard to governance its quite clear the element of what is important Going Forward fundamentally the need to focus on equity and fairness and Environmental Justice and it turns out part of the question is who gets the benefit of Environmental Programs and efforts and who suffers the consequences of environmental in action thats it we have to think about in the years ahead. One more element, i think it will turn out environmental progress will depend not on the activities of the epa or anyone in the environmental arena but derivative of people in other sectors a huge issue Going Forward is sustainable agriculture. Theres a great essay in this book the us reinsurers alliance. So sustainable food, huge issue not want that epa can deliver. Management of public lands not nepa issue interior department issue and matter for private landowners. So understanding government actors and logic of private sector play a significant role as part of the transformed structure of governance. A beautiful essay in this book former chief Climate Change negotiator of the United States makes the point in Climate Change context to implement that agreement we have to have the wto implement or the world bank or who, all these entities have to come together to contribute to a more unified effort particularly human huge problems like Climate Change. A fourth reality that is already absorbing the changes so if we see the end of these externalities already playing out of producer responsibility so even before the government gets to legislating you see companies starting to respond and recognize if they are causing harm, increasingly that will be called out and questions raised fragoso even as we start this process there is already pressure leading people to Pay Attention and that is quite positive. Its in a number of arenas, not just Climate Change but that companies are carbon exposed with stranded assets to the d carbonized future and we see it in waste with a growing recognition pay for what you throw away and dont pay for what you recycle. Theres a great essay on the topic. Finally as a personal observation of the account that i offer in this book its clear we do need transformative change beginning with the need to create a Clean Energy Future as the foundation for the American Economy and the Global Economy that the transformative change cannot be done on a oneparty basis every time one party seeks to make change happen shoving it down the throats of the other party the efforts are taken out you see that with a Clean Power Plan obama put forward and was dismantled and a number of the obama initiatives like obama care to be cut away out and diminished and taken out. Frankly i could promise you the id regulatory agenda the trump team is advancing will not stand as the pendulum swings back in one or five years those deregulatory activities taken without good science or data of clear policy logic will be undone again. Sweat that tells us is it is time to get into a serious conversation. This is what the book tries to do from the yale school of forestry and environmental studies from the university of wyoming and said we need to get people to get together lines ideological party or young and old, really think together of a path that i call up the middle others call a third way that something that has the potential to have Common Ground for a Sustainable Future that so many of us want. It might be important to focus on Climate Change initially but the bringing people together agenda is important for air water waste chemical issues. I just want to share five elements of what i see to support the agenda Going Forward. First is an emphasis on innovation. The debate over the most important finding of social science in the 20th century has been but a candidate is healthy institutions of all kinds need to continually innovate a commitment to Continuous Improvement examining what works looking at what doesnt work is critical to success in every domain including Environmental Protection and its my observation the environmental arena is curiously untouched by a commitment to innovation over the last 25 years to bring innovation to step one calling red lights to green lights and at the core is the 2h century Environmental Protection all about telling people what they could not do. Stop this red light. Dont go there and we made progress. We shifted people towards cleaner production and as a result we have cleaner water but it is still the incomplete approach to Environmental Protection. What it didnt do to steer individuals or businesses and entrepreneurs to where society needed to devote time and resources and energy and money to provide solutions. I argue for the need for green lights to signal the people where we want them to go to solve societys environmental challenges starting with a d carbonized Energy Strategy we do need much different Electricity Generati

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