runner always a gun runner. so that's how the book ends, and that's where -- so he wound up -- got six and you get a little reduction. >> thank you so much, guy. >> thank you. [applause] >> booktv is on facebook. like us to get publishing news. scheduling updates behind the scenes pictures and videos, author information and to talk directly with authors during our live programs. facebook.com/booktv. >> fox news anchor gretchen carlson e recalls her life and career in broadcasting, next, on booktv. >> good evening. my name is john, i have the honor of being the executive director of the ronald reagan presidential founding, i want to welcome all of you and thank you for coming this evening. in honorable men and women in uniform who defend our freedomridge the world if you would please stand and join me with the pledge of allegiance. i policemen allegiance to the flag of the united states of america and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under god indivisible with liberty and justice for all. >> thank you please be seated. before we get started that's a few people in the audience that i'd like to make sure we recognize tonight, and i'll begin with the former first lady of the state of california, gale wilson gale. [applause] we also have with us mr. gary shepard, the vice president of strategic communications for general electric. gary. [applause] >> and tonight is a special night as we have with us, a very special group of students from around the country. 20ge reagan foundation scholarship winders and their families if you all would please stan. [applause] they wail be taping universities this fall, backed by one of the country's greatest companies and one of its greatest presidents. thank you for coming. people often ask me whether there's a criteria for someone who speaks at the reagan library, and as many of you regulars know, we have hosted a wide variety of political figures, some of international importance and some who are presidents of the united states, for example. we also see here candidates for the presidency, such as the 412 will be he for the presidential primary debate. [laughter] >> we also host important book authors, hollywood stars, hoyt i historians academics, media permit personalities men of who help shape the course of the nation. one of the thing these people have in common is an important connection to president reagan in one way or the other. today we have with us gretchen carlson, an instantly recognizable figure in america. she is important in her own right given she helps to inform or influence the opinions of millions of people around the world through her position at fox news, but in addition to her fame her career and her very persona, i think have a great deal in common with our 40th 40th president. now, how is that? well there is a theory i have, one tied to the life and the success of ronald reagan that is not much talked about but is most certainly true. and that is i believe, that people underestimate the value of underestimation. and i think that this is something that gretchen would agree with, but let me explain. ronald reagan got very far in life and became one of our country's greatest presidents for a lot of reasons. he was smart. he had lots of talent. her was a great communicator and he had a moral compass that helped him determine right from wrong. but one thing he had going for him is that people often underestimated him. this served to his benefit many times. let's see if you remember some of these. he was a b-rated movie actor someone not serious enough to be taken for a president. he was too conservative to ever be elected to national office. he wasn't smart enough. he came from hollywood. he shouldn't be taken seriously. and the list goes on and on. now, all of these concerns about ronald reagan led many people, his critics his enemies his opponents for public office, to just plain underestimate him every single day. i know the president didn't let this criticism affect him. in fact i think he enjoyed the undersystems estimation. it often allowed him to beat expectations and succeed in whatever he chose to accomplish in his life. gretchen carlson is a perfect shining example like president reagan of someone who has succeeded beyond her wildest dreams and the expectations of others because she too has been underestimated her whole life. gretchen has said it well herself chev calls it the bimbo factor. [laughter] >> well, what are some of the cat calls she has experienced? the quint shaken dumb blonde. just not smart enough. never mind the fact that she graduated from stanford university with honors and she studied at oxford. she is a miss america type, literally. don't take here seriously. well never mind the fact that she succeeded in winning the contest from an organization that is to this day the world's largest provider of academic scholarships soley for women. talent counts for half of the score. and i know this will be absolutely true. i was a judge for the miss america pageant five years after gretchen was there and i would have voted for her hands down. talent. what talent. she was trained as a classical violinist, and to this day can play with just about any orchestra she might choose. i'm not exactly sure how management or boardroom order society at large have made their decisions to promote gretchen or to tune in, but it is a fact that like ronald reagan, she has become a tremendous success in great part because she has been constantly underestimated every step of the way. i have a feeling that's fine by her. she is used it to work even harder and importantly to reach out to others who like her have dreams of their own. it's her story that provides the inspiration they might need to citied as well. so, ladies and gentlemen, if you would, please join me in welcoming to the stage gretchen carlson. [applause] [applause] >> thank you so much, john. and i love that analogy to president reagan. i'm humbled by that analogy. i have to tell you coming here today for the very first time, was bittersweet for me, and overwhelming and nostalgic because i had the opportunity to meet president reagan in the oval office when i was miss america. the proudest day of my year as miss america. and i until never forget what he said. he knew i was a student at stanford and he said, wow that place has really gotten liberal. [laughter] >> but i was able to say to him when i came to stanford from a small town in minnesota i had just turned 18. and it was the first time he was running for president. and i got to vote in the presidential election for ronald reagan. [applause] >> so people may know me from television bus here's a couple things they may not know. i'm 100% swedish. i has wool valedictorian. i grew fun the halloween capital of the world anoka could minnesota. i'm not she shortest missmer ever. i hate putting on makeup when i am not another washing. i don't know how to type. i don't know how to parallel park. i can't whistle. i grew up a chubby teen, which i'll get to, when it was little girl before i had two rounds of braces i could fit this finger between my two front teeth. so why did i want to write "getting real"? i wrote this book because i wanted people to know the real me. times people get impressions of television personalities that are not completely accurate. they've never had any problems. they've never had any struggles. they got that golden phone call from new york, do you want to come to new york and be star? it never heards etch happened they way for me. the real me the child who was a concert violinist from the age of six the young woman would took on the challenge to become missmer, television journalist for 25 years the mother of two who just like so many other women, whether they work inside the home or outside struggles with that whole concept of having it out. a woman guided by her faith. and my mother, who always told me at night after she said my prayers to me, you know, gretchen you can be anything you want to be in this world. and i believed her. i knew with the tremendous amount of hard work and perseverance and patefalls along the way that was possible. that the american dream was alive and well for me. and you know, recently in reporting the news on a daily basis in the last ten years fewer people actually believe in the american dream than before. and that is sad to me. and i wanted to write this book to let people know that if a chubby little girl from a small town in minnesota who happened to play a mean violin could become miss america and have her own tv show on the national scene for 25 years later that if i can do it, i want you to get out your list of things to do that been sitting there for 0 long time and feel inspired for you to be able to do it as well. so here's what i tell my kids now in an exempt from my book about working hard. we all have some luck in our lives. but i don't tell me children, maybe you'll get lucky. i tell them to work hard, and study, and give every challenge their all. i make sure they understand what it means to have strong values. and always strive to do the right thing. my dream as a young girl was to play the violin on a world stage. no one told me i wasn't good enough. or skinny enough. or any 0 other enough. my life stretched out ahead of me full of possibility, and i lived with the everpresent idea that i could do anything. if i set my mind to it and was true to myself. but,ol know in life what we learn is that it's actually the failures and the pitfalls that actually build our character and make us stronger people, and appreciate success that much more. i alluded to the fact i was a chubby/fat teen. in retrospect, that was a blessing. ... >> but when i was a kid, i didn't care and the funny thing was my mom was a gourmet cook. now, that did not help matters. she would make the whole spread of booed and would leave me with my babysitter congress women of minnesota, and she would say gretchen and michelle, do not any of the doughnuts that i made or any of the chocolate chip cookies or beef stew or if sure don't let her drink soda. as soon as the door closed, michelle would go, lets go for it. her hair literally went downright to down here and i -- we grew up in the same town of anoka, minnesota and she was my babysitter m. my mom would come home and say, who ate all the food? molly, it was her. the only problem molly kept getter thinner and i kept getting rounder. do you remember levi's jeans why do they put the waist size and the height size on the back for everyone to see? [laughs] >> i would immediately get out the shar pi e. so what finally changed my to actually want to lose weight, well, it was a boy. tenth grade and i overheard the high school senor -- senior who i liked her you know, she's a really great girl but i just can't date her because she's too fat. that day i finally went on a diet and i lost 35 pounds, and no, i didn't go on a date after. [laughs] >> so for me it was really the violin. i want to share the conundrum that i had in my life that i was so lucky to have my parents to help me cultivate and how i sort of lived a double life many times with people not understanding me. this is from the first chapter entitled sparkles. my heart was beating in my throat my felts felt clammy waiting i closed my eyes and repeated the words to the lord's prayer once again. at 13, i was about to give the biggest performance of my life. the music was fast-paced and uplifting. i was up next to play the solo the first movement of edward lalos symphony español. i began the long walk across the stage, violin in hand. i was a chubby girl, on that day i was an who artist. the audience rose to the feet when i was done. i heard bravo bravo. the applause seemed to go on for and returned twice more for on core bows. it was a thrilling moment, and then it was over. normal life resumed. back in the dressing room i kinged out of my long white dress and then my mom drove me to school. i got there in time for math class and lucky for me there was a test. [laughs] >> my fellow students had no clue where e had been earlier that day. to them i was just one of the kids. dye that -- they didn't understand the other me the one who had just performed with the minnesota orchestra. that's what i thought i was going to do in my life. then at 17 everything changed because i disliked too many other things. i realized to be a famous concert artist i would have to give everything else in my life. it would have to be tunnel vision. i went to my parents and told them i wanted to quit. they were devastated because of the immense commitment i had put into this for my first 17 years. my parents made me promise to come another way in which to use the talent to ache some sort -- achieve some sort of other goal. i was studying and i got a call from my mom. she said i got a brochure in the mail. 50% of contestants points are talents. i think you should try this. and i said, are you nuts. mom, remember i grew up a chubby kid. i was a tomboy. i didn't want pageants. and she said, gretchen, i think you might be able to try this. well lets just say that my is an incredible motivational person and over time she convinced me to try this. keep in mind i was a total -- i was from a state in minnesota that wasn't known for a great pageant state. my own grandfather who was a lutheran minister in town, he gave me my religious foundation and hardwork ethic you know that i think you're a fant -- fantastic granddaughter but you're never going to win miss america. [laughs] >> i ran back to my grandfather and i said, grand -- grandpa even your words aren't god's words. i have two inches on her. i told no one. you know why? because when i went to tell the dean at stanford to try to go home and become miss america. i worked out like crazy and studied anything i could get my hands on for the interview. there was this guy who had become very well known for doing xruit program and would pick his top 10 really dumb things, hair color, what state you were from and howal you were from. in the morning of the pageant it's published and i am in any of his predictions and i'll never forgive my mom last thing i'm going to fear until midnight. you can do this, you have worked so hard. forget that computer guy. you know what happened the next year the computer guy was out of business. [laughs] >> he's actually quoted in my book assaying, jeez, these contestants keep getting more starter and -- smarter and talented and it's harder to prodict who -- predict who is going to win. i have to tell you that it was a shocking revelation about how people take you down because. at first in the first couple of hours i was dubbed the smartest america, i thought wow, this is a grade headline. well that lasted just a matter of hours. i went to my first press conference in new york city a female reporter deliberate rattily tried to take me down. what year did the vietnam end? finally, have you ever done drugs and have you ever had sex. at which point the entire new york press booed her. [laughs] >> they were like, whoa. it's try by the way. i couldn't believe she treated me with such disrespect. i learned right then and there that i was going to have to develop tough skin in there. wait till you hear what you did to me. he directed princess guide well known guy. and here is what he said published in 1990, i say this, it's a good thing i didn't know about the book because it might have shaken my confidence wrapped on the title he gave me miss pig buggy he also called me a god crusher because i staid my state was important to me. i was also too chunky at 108 pounds. too chunky to even make the top 10. he seemed right down offended and he didn't much care for my violin per -- performance. he admitted to favoring miss colorado. rereading it recently, i was surprised to find that it still stunk, i was embarrassed even ashamed. it made me realize that shaming is a potent force. for decades i hid my feelings because it was so belittling, but i certainly have no reason to feel that way. now i understand that this kind of degrading talk is what keeps young women from being fully themselves or even trying. knowing yourself and not letting your detractors get you down is the message of my book. miss america toughened my skin, and boy, did i need that when i got to fox news. before i get to that, i also want to share with you why i have great empathy for anybody who has been fired or lost their job because it happened to me too. a week after i got married in cleveland, ohio, we were wart of a revolutionary two anchor team. it didn't work out. and so i got called to the general manager's office. the two female concept isn't working he told me bluntly unfortunately we don't have another position for you at the station based on your current salary. oh my stomach clinched as i realized my worst fears -- now that you're married you'll be fine. i was too stunned to respond. now that you're married you'll be okay that upset me. i was so disappointed that after i spent four years at his station he still had no idea who i was. i was a professional who had dedicated years to establishing my career and he had brushed me off with a remark. i've never heard of a man losing his job and told, don't worry you're married, you'll be okay. it had everything to do with personal identity, personal goals and making the most of my life. again, another example of for years i never spoke publicly about being fired. i was too embarrassed and too ashamed. it was a huge failure. but i tell the story openly in the book because i want to help people get back on their feet and i want them to know that i've been there. so i give advice in the book mainly to get close to every family member even if you're on bad terms because you're going to need them, network with every person you've known in your whole life, not just career path call every person you've ever known and be willing to take a job that may not be the job that you really want. you might have to take a step back and then you have to work triply hard at it. that's what i did. the second year of my marriage i spent away from my husband and moved to dallas and he stayed in cleveland. back to getting to fox news and the thick skin having been miss america, i quote a phrase in the book, that i say that i reached bimbo tri -- former miss america. it doesn't take a rocket scientist that it takes to do with stereotypes. i still scratch my head trying to figure out how to being blond became sin -- but i don't waste my brain cells trying to figure things out. i learn that sometimes when people don't like what you have to say and it's easier to call you a dumb blond from fox news. one of my greatest joys in life is my children and i am one of those people that no matter how hard i worked in my career, i always wanted to have kids. at age 35 when i finally thought the time was right in my career to start a family being told that i had a 3% chance. i remember the exact park bench where i called my mom and cried my eyes out mom, you've known how much i've always wanted to have kids. that's sometimes a silent struggle that many couples had. we've been blessed with two children. i call it my miracle family in the book. what comes with that, though, is this whole idea for men and women about having it all and i say that i think that's a bit of a curse whether you work inside of the home or outside of a home that's an expectation that takes immense pleasure on a woman and makes feel like failures. these days there's an an an ongoing debate whether women can have it all. i was the only contestant who said no. i didn't mean that women shouldn't fully pursue their dreams, only that we need to be honest with yourselves. i'm a person who likes to give 100% to everything i do. i want to the best at my job and as a mom. if i'm at work am i giving 100% to my kids, no. if i'm at home, am i giving 100% to fox? no. it's a balancing act but worthwhile as long as we don't kid ourselves that we're supper women. my kids are still liking me. [laughs] >> they're 10 and 12-year-old. my son still lets me kiss them on the lips when i say goodnight. i know that's going to change. my daughter is 12. she's a little bit sassy now. they like me a little bit more. i just want to share with you some funny stories that i know we can all share if we're lucky enough to be parents. the most wonderful thing about children are honesty. i would love to capture the priceless moments before they become guarded and stop sharing every little thing on their minds. like my daughter at three when we would end our praiser with amen looking confused and asking mommy why at end do you always say old men. [laughs] or on my parents 50th anniversary my daughter asking my mom, are you going to have anymore babies. or my son cristian at eight observing that he thought a woman at the pool had fake boobs. [laughs] >> when i picked myself up from the floor and asked him what he meant, i knew that they weren't real because that i can yours when you bend over they fall all the way down. [laughs] >> and hers when she bent over at the pool, mom they didn't move. [laughs] >> cristian is also bursting with curiosity asking questions we don't necessarily want to always answer. like this time when he saw an ad from a baseball game and asked me mom what's viagra. so the moral of the story about my book is that your hard work and a bunch of pitfalls along the way i've accomplished some great dreams. and i just want to inspire everyone out there young middle-aged or old that you're never too old to continue to challenge yourself and learn. i often see the best golfers in the world and best tennis players and they're changing their swing. have you ever noticed that? i ask myself why would they be doing that, they're number one on their sport. they're doing that because they want to continue to be better. and that's how i listed my life and want to inspire to others to live theirs. thank you for having me tonight. it's been a pleasure. [applause] >> we have a few minutes and gretchen has been kind enough to agree to take questions from the audience. if i could just ask if you have a question raise your hand and wait till the microphone gets to you so we can hear what you're saying. if we could lets start over right over here. >> how did you get to fox? >> i just celebrated my ten-year anniversary with fox this past week. [applause] i can always remember that because i went when my son was 3 months old. i was in cbs for five years before that, i started as a correspondent. in fact, i just ran into my old bass this morning at the local fox station. television is a tiny world. but i was there and i got promoted at cbs to do the saturday morning show, and then my contract was up and i got a call from fox and wanted to know if i was interested in potentially coming a five-day morning show, which i did for eight years. so that was my story and it was the best move that i've made. >> over here. okay. one over here. >> i noticed in your book that you said and your family have always enjoyed the traditional swedish food in the holidays, do you still eat -- >> yeah. [laughs] >> i'm a 100% swedish. being 100% of anything -- we were so proud in minnesota. the only bad thing was that we had to eat all the food. does anyone -- do you know what lovaza is? it actually has no taste and you lather it with butter, like a tortilla. it's a cod fish. it's soak in lye. you get it at the butcher shop. you actually have to keep it in the garage because it stinks so bad, and then you have to cook it in a ten foil plan because it blackens any nice pan that you might have. it's the consistency of jelly fish and it has bones. you douse it with butter or white pasty glue-like sauce. [laughs] >> and so as kids grand pea, we really loved it, this is fantastic. you finally develop an acquired taste for it. maybe it was just peer pressure inside the family. [laughs] >> but it was definitely something that i'll never forget. >> over here. >> hi. >> hi. >> gretchen, since you're an insider at fox -- [laughs] >> i have a two-part question. part a everything you say is checks out to see whether it's current. >> you mean our newspapers, other people checking us out? well yeah, i'm sure they are. >> they say they would tell the truth. the second part, b is juan williams for real? >> i love juan williams. he has a different point of view than some of the other commentators in fox. he's the lone guy at 5:00. that fits into my whole narrative in the book about detractors you can't give all that a lot of time a day because you have to believe in yourself and what you're doing. nobody is speaking in my ear piece. it's all my own ideas. people have a different definition of the truth and that's their own personal objective to have that. i'm telling people what i know, what i've read. >> great. over here. >> i have a question for you. one, have in your experience have men or women been the ones who have given you a harder time and how do you understand that? and the other thing along those license i wanted to ask you who have your two mentors been? >> thank you, a lot of times you hear and read about the fact that women are nice to women in the workplace. i have been so fortunate to have amazing female role models starting with my mother who is now 74, runs our family business. i have a great role model from a business point of view and mother point of view. my first boss in virginia, she actually came six months until i started there. she made me the political reporter over night. i was only one of those women covering the governor. i was 23-year-old. she basically was in a believer of sink or swim and she believed in me. another woman boss at the station where i was fired she ended up going to work in dallas and she's the one who eventually rehired me a year later at that job. believed in me as well. i've had fantastic male bosses. as far as mentors definitely those women and men who were my bosses but most importantly i believe so strongly now in being mentor to young people because i had help along the way and my assistant today was my intern on fox and friends and because she had the same hardwork ethic i said, i'm hiring you. i'm a huge behavior in helping young people and directing them and giving them advice, and i always say quite literally my doors are open. >> in the front. yeah. >> hi, gretchen, an honor to listen to you. both social and physically where do you see yourself on the political -- >> i'm a registered independent. so is my husband and i think that being in the news business you have to be that. and so i do see issues from both sides of the spectrum. i don't know if it's a gender thing, but i don't know, i was a suspicion that people believe to find some common ground. it bugs me that they don't get anything done in capitol hill. that's because i'm a doer. we don't want them to get things done because we don't agree with some of the things we want done. ronald reagan got things done. i think we have great leaders that we should look back an and maybe try to model what they did because washington is really broken right now and it doesn't serve anything if they're not going to get anything done right now. they have a 13% approval rating. if we did actually get some things done bipartisan way that we would have a better opinion in general. >> we were wondering you told your stanford when did you go back to school? >> it was so important for me to go and get my degree, i did have tv opportunities where i had not gone back. that wasn't even an option for me. the greatest joy in my life from the similarship scholarship money i won so i went back and graduated actually with my freshmen because i had been gone that long after being gone the year before the year of being miss america and sometime after. but getting my degree was -- that was an automatic. >> right over here. >> hi, gretchen, i'm from minnesota as well. >> wow great. what town. wow, you really know what cold is. >> yeah. >> it's the icebox of the nation. wonderful. congratulations to all of you. >> thank you, thank you. my question was i also a concert pianist. >> wow. >> my role was playing with the symphony. >> i didn't play in college that was during my quitting phase. [laughs] >> funny story in the book is that i went to stanford, i brought my violin but i left it in the locker the entire time. my parents really didn't like that. i went to play for the violin teacher in stanford. of course, he had never heard about me because i was trying to be anonymous. so i played some really technically passage. ci still see the look on his face. [laughs] >> why have i not heard from you? i said because that's the way i want it to be. i put the violin back in my locker and never played it for four years. >> over here. >> hi, gretchen, you are here on the west coast at 11:00 o'clock in the morning i get to watch you and it's been such a pleasure. i feel like you're with me in the house and wanted to know if the format of the show this year any changes different time, anything -- >> you know something that i don't? >> i don't know. [laughs] >> that's my question. >> i don't know about any potential changes but we're always changing the format. always try to improve yourself. some of the thing that is we tried, one of the things that we started incorporating was this one-minute take, a story that i feel passionately about whether it's family, kids or graduation speeches or anything like that, that i'll give my take of the day. i think we're going to stick with that. you never know. yesterday i had donald trump on the show and it was fantastic timing because he was very controversial yesterday. we broke news yesterday, which is the exciting part of doing the news business everyday is that it changes everyday. if you want a desk job and doing the same thing, don't get into tv. sometimes we can plan an entire show and then we have solid braking news and everything goes out the window and you have to be able to go with it and oftentimes talk about stuff you don't know that much and make it sound like you do. i think i'm going to still be at 2:00 o'clock at least for the next couple of months. >> over here. >> are there any specific points that you have given to your children about self-imagine, would you like to share? >> yeah, just the whole idea of building their soul and their inside. for example, i never told my daughter i was miss america. somebody else did. she was 8 years old. she came home from school one day and said, mommy somebody at school said you did some america thing. [laughs] >> and i said, well, yeah, what else did they say. she wanted to see everything in my closet. i have my gowns. solid beads. it weighs more than ten pounds. you can't hang it up. it's too heavy in my 25th anniversary of miss idea i got this idea, maybe i can get my big toe into that thing. i called up the designer who made the dress and said, do you think i could wear that thing. why the silence? there is something called spanx now. [laughs] >> i met him in broadway and i got the darn thing zipped up, and when we opened the curtain he said, oh, my gosh, your boobs look amazing. [laughs] >> yeah, i said, i've had two kids. i want my kids to build their self-esteem. >> over here. >> hi, gretchen, do you miss being -- >> i did you know, i run into them all of the time. i still do radio once a week on tuesdays and so i see him frequently and i actually go down to the same area. fox is huge. we keep growing we have all different floors but i go to the same studio to get my hair done so i see them at a later hour. yeah, i used to joke that i saw them more than i saw my real husband, because i did. 15 hours a day, i mean, a week. so i miss that but i don't miss alarm at 3:30. my kids love my new schedule. can you sometimes drive us to school now? >> over here. >> hi, gretchen, thank you for being here. you are an inspiration. >> thank you. >> my question is the news is so horrendous, does it ever affect you what you have to report and what you actually witnessed? thank you. >> it does, i have to be sensitive to that because when you have small children at home i realized through their eyes how bad the news is, sometimes i have to have it on because i have to have it on. mommy, will you turn that off, i can't hear that. i have to be very sensitive to how much i'm paying the attention to the news when i'm actually home, but i will tell you about a horrible story that happened in connecticut shootings two and a half years ago and how that story has turned into a positive for our family. my daughter is in the book. he actually gave a piano resitele, 11 classcal pieces. shs right -- this is right after the shootings. she found out little girl's whose family had shared for the fitting. >> do you think any of the kids that passed away that day loved animals. so my daughter gave this piano recital and we took the horrible tragedy. it was my proudest moment as parent and watched my daughter played the piano and now she served in the advisory board for the sanctionware. she-- sanctuary. she is learning firsthand about what it is to give back. [applause] >> we have time for one last question. we'll come back right here. >> gretchen, thank you so very much for what you're doing. and the question i have today is could you please share how your faith in god has played into who you are today in. >> it's everything. and you know, i'm one of the few national anchors that speak on air. trust me, i have a lot of critics. it started happening when i came to fox. cable is 24-7. i realized that the reaction that i got from people who i might meet on the street was that nine times out of ten they would say to me, thank you so much for speaking about the foundation in which you were brought up and the way you choose to live your life. [applause] >> i figured i was doing something right. luck illy -- luckily i grew up with a grandfather that was a minister. i thought he was so great and so neat. i feel blessed that my parents made those decisions for me early on and as adult i have continued with the decisions. i joke now that the judge who called me what would he think now that me and my husband teach sunday school together. that's the one hour that i know i'll see my husband. i think that's the greatest gift you can give your children. that is teaching children how to give back. [applause] >> thank you so much. [inaudible conversations] >> here is a look at some authors recently featured on book tv interview program afterwards. we heard from michael tanner about the national debt and entitlement reform. in the coming week on after words, senator will discuss. also coming up padilla peralta. and this weekend charles murray say it's now possible to limit power rather than constitution. >> practicing a vocation that you love to do well and take pride to do in. that's a big deal. >> yeah. >> to the extent you have physicians, small business people of all kind where they say i can't do what i want to do in the terms of providing a good service, it's getting in the way. it's impeding freedom in a really important way. >> after words every saturday at 10:00 and sunday at 9:00 eastern. you can watch all previous on our website at booktv.org. >> book tv recently visited capitol hill to ask members of congress what they're reading this summer. >> i've read some novels. international terrorism. i haven't decided what kind of biography i'll read. i'll probably read someone in history and grab some of those and read that as well. >> book tv wants to know what you're reading this summer. tweet us or post it on our facebook page facebook.com/booktv. will davies takes a critical look and whether it's good for us. >> hello everyone. welcome to the power house arena, if this i