To go in just hours. Thanks for joining us. Ac360 starts now tonight on 360, it started with the former president, but now the ugliness is coming from inside the house. How one congressman amplified hateful campaign against haitian immigrants would top republicans are saying in his defense and what the chair of the congressional black caucus plans to do about it, keeping them honest also tonight, the two candidates, they're dueling economic messages and the former president's claims about the two attempts on his life and iran plus the very latest on hurricane helene now forecast to reach category four heading for the florida panhandle. Good evening. Thanks for joining us. We begin tonight, keeping them honest with politics specifically the brand of it, which runs on falsehoods in fear, and frankly racism. The latest example, louisiana republican congressman clay higgins, this guy, now it doesn't have much of a record of accomplishment in the house, but today, he's certainly got noticed this is what he posted on social media, quoting the congressman. Now lol, these haitians are wild, eating pets, voodoo, nastiest country in the western hemisphere cults slapstick gangsters, but if they don't feel all sophisticated now, filing charges against our president and vp all these thugs better get their mind right? and they're out of our country before january 20. So a couple of things from pack here, voodoo, other ways, a streaming service that's and by fandango he obviously meant the religion voodoo, but just knows nothing about it. More importantly, he is slurring an entire country and everyone from that country, men, women, and children, people who are in this country legally, and americans have haitian dissent he seems particularly riled up that a haitian american organization would have the temerity to have taken legal action if they don't feel all sophisticated now, he tweeted late today, he took down that tweet. And how speaker johnson said that higgins regrets the post he was approached on the floor by colleagues who said that was offensive. He went to the back. I just talked about it. He said he went to the back end. He prayed about it, and he regretted it and he pulled the post down. That's what you want a gentleman to do. I'm sure he probably regrets some of the language he used, but, you know, we move forward, we believe in redemption around here. Yeah. He went to the back and he prayed real hard about it. Any regrets? it nevertheless, house democrats body motion to censure the congressmen with this objection from majority leader steve scalise for what purposes, gentleman from louisiana seek recognition first of all, the tweet has been deleted already in remove, but i object to what is to the motion and if we wanted to spend every kind of animals on the other side, we'll be happy to do. I don't know. Man has not been recognized let's ensure motion has been pushed back until after the election. Now, clay higgins, language might surprise you, but it's difficult to figure out the source of his inspiration about haitians eating their pets in springfield. They're eating the dogs, the people that came in, they're eating the cats. They're eating, they're eating the pets of the people that live there of course, no evidence that has been debunked. But again these are not original ideas, congressman higgins is coming up with, like when he said they better get their assets out of the country, we all know where that came from two do you think springfield will ever be the same? i don't think the fact is and i'll say it now you have to get them the hell out yeah. Have to get them out. I'm sorry to get them out. Can have it he had happened destroyed it before congressman higgins was in congress. He was in local law enforcement in louisiana. That's right. He had the power to arrest people. And if you read up on him, you'll see he has something of a track record on outrageous statements and other things as the cofounder harvard university's niemann media lab discovered, the congressman has cited in a newspaper article in the bayou brief back in 1992, when he was voting for former kkk grand wizard david duke to be the governor of louisiana. Now back then, there were a lot of people who said they just didn't believe the duke was the racist. He was being made out to be in the liberal media and they were going to vote for him, but apparently not play higgins, he knew full well and voted for him anyway, he told a reporter, quote, regardless of the fact that david's a homeboy and all that the boys or nazi and that's a real problem. Then the reporter noted that mr. Higgins voted for mr. Duke anyway, in the governor's race joining us now is congressman steven horsford, a democrat of nevada and chair of the congressional black caucus congressman. Thanks for being with us when you read this post from the congressman, what was your initial reaction? anderson thank you for having me on when i read it, i thought of the haitian immigrants, haitian americans, all throughout this country, those in springfield. And in my district in nevada and all across the country who are living today in fear who feel harassed who feel singled out and targeted by the former president donald trump by senator j. D. Vance by representative higgins and it's this type of racist intolerance. This divisive rhetoric that must stop it's why i have filed a resolution to censure representative higgins it's time to turn the page as the vice president, kamala harris is set against this divisiveness that pits one group of americans against another congressman higgins has told cnn that he stood by his comments adding quote, it's all true. I can put up another controversial post tomorrow. If you want me to. I mean, we do have freedom of speech. I'll say what i want. He also said, quote, it's not a big deal to me, it's like something stuck to the bottom of my boot. Just scrape it off and move on with my life he prayed about it and regretted it and took it down. Maybe he had another talk with jesus and decided he's standing by it do the censure motion, is that that's now off the table until after the election. I mean, does that kind of finished? no it's not and it's not about the next election it's about the fact that this type of divisive, racially charged hateful rhetoric needs to stop right now. There are children who are haitian immigrants who are haitian americans who do not feel safe going to school because they are targeted right now, my colleagues representative sheila cherfilusmccormick and fredricka wilson and ayanna pressley and maxwell frost, who are members of the haitian caucus, joined with the congressional black caucus other members, just earlier this week to push back on j. D. Vance. And these madeup stories that it's not even true, what they're saying. And it's time for this to end. But guess what it's this type of divisiveness that is actually tearing our country apart. I understand that according to sources who witnessed the interaction you and congressman higgins had a heated exchange on the house floor can you say what what did he tell you when you talk to him? well i was supporting my colleagues who were trying to compel him to understand how his words are affecting the lives of actual people today. People who contribute to our communities, who are entrepreneurs, who are nurses and doctors people who don't deserve to be targeted. Let's just start with that. They didn't do anything wrong. And i asked him specifically to remove his post and he's like, i'm going to pray about it. What do you need to pray about? just do what is right and stop this? hateful rhetoric that is causing people to feel targeted he told me no. And that is when i said, if you refuse, i will take this to the floor. We will move for a resolution to censure you, and that is exactly what we did and sadly, the republican leadership we're more focused about silencing me. Then holding him accountable. And he used his official platform the property of the house of representatives. He probably thought he was posting on truth, social but in fact, he told everyone exactly what it is he believes. We are going to follow through on this. It is not about the next election. It is about every people in america feeling targeted. Today. It's the haitians who will it be tomorrow? will it be you will, you know, what's interesting about this is, i mean, he in the statement to cnn, he's certainly seems sort of proud of this, or is it bluster, which is he's made a career of it when he was in law enforcement and sort of being the toughtalking sheriff guy, despite moving around a lot from different departments. But this is just i mean, there's a long history of this in this country and in many countries of demonizing immigrants, of i mean, it was irish, it was italians in the early days of mass immigration to the united states. I mean, there have been there have been people like this throughout our history who have said exactly these same things. It's remarkable poll, that this continues that in this day and age, this still i guess it can use because it works it works to demonize a group like haitians. Clearly don't trump thinks that works. J. D. Vance thinks it works because that's why they're continuing to do it. And this guy thinks that works too well. The majority of americans are ready to turn the page against this. The vice president kamala harris is set at time again, we're tired of people dividing us targeting one community and pitting them against another we want to build up our communities, not tear them apart. And i know haitian immigrants, i know haitianamericans and my home state of nevada and people all across this country who are here, they've been vetted they've gone through a legal process to be here it's comprehensive. They have children who are trying to attend school. They are nurses and teachers and first responders in our community it is this type of, of racist, hateful, intolerant rhetoric that must end whether it is against haitian immigrants or anyone else, we should be against all forms of hate. And what is so astounding to me is that republicans in congress just don't get it we're over them and we're ready to turn the page and move our country forward towards one that represents a multiracial multigenerational society that reflects all of us and the contributions that we make. Congressman steven horsford. I appreciate your time tonight. Thank you. Joining us now, cnn political commentators ashley allison and david urban also washington post national well columnist philip bump. Actually, what does it tell you about the climate right now that a sitting congressman felt comfortable enough to post something like this. And apparently stand by what he said well, it's a reminder that racism and hatred is still very much alive and well in our country it's also reminder there is a leadership vacuum in the republican party right now. And i say that because the reason why he had the gall to post that and then have to side whether or not he was going to take it down as because his leader was the one who came up with it, or his leaders running mate rather came up with it. And so when you don't have leaders who tell you what is right and wrong, you end up with situations like this. Now the thing that is so unsettling about this is you mentioned in your piece, anderson, is that this man was law enforcement. This man had the power. He carried a gun he had the power to walk in the street and enforce the law and most likely we have the justice system behind him. He now can make laws that are rooted in racism and discrimination. And so in this moment there is an opportunity in november for us to decide which direction we want this country to go in. You do not have to like every policy of commonly harris, but at least kamala harris wants to be in conversation about the direction, positive direction, and work together right and left, black and white. So there's an opportunity here to begin to turn the page. It's not going to end the book of racism in our country, but there is a chance to turn the page and say enough with this nonsense, enough with this racism. Let's move forward to a better day in this country. I mean, it filled again the there's a reason why this is being repeated by trump and vance. I mean, there's a long history of this. It does tap into something that's very primal and very, i guess effective. Yeah. I mean, the trump campaign has long been, i mean, his motto literally make america great again, is a call back to america used to be better, used to be different and it's very much there was an unsubtle appeal to white american families getting together or not having to worry about immigrants under community and so on and so forth. That has always been an undercurrent to his politics and something that he reinforces. And we've seen polling as well. I think this incident is fascinating in part because we've reached this point where unless you say the nword people like, well, i'm not sure if that's race. There's not. I mean, like you can't you don't get much more explicitly racist. And what just happened there. And yet republican leadership isn't willing to hold him to account. I mean, even just a few years ago, we saw stephen king from iowa, who was this just sort of dabbling and white nationalist mean you sort of ahead of the trend, if you will, in the gop. And he's held to account by republican leaders in and eventually lost his gop primary, which it was seemed like a sort of rejection by the party. But now of course you have donald trump and j. D. Vance. And there's a poll came out yesterday from kff three in ten immigrants say they feel as though their lives have been made worse because of donald trump's rhetoric david, i mean is i mean, you're republican. Does this is this what who is this guy? i mean is this something that the legal standing look, the guy it's a clownish markets. It's hateful, despicable, full stop, right? there's no there's no defending that remark. It is the worst of america. It's not the best of america, it's the worst. And he's a member of congress. He should be ashamed for putting it out. Listen, there are legitimate concerns about immigration, about illegal immigration, legal immigration, but elav immigration, their concerns about the town of springfield being overwhelmed, their school district not being able to do their legitimate concerns. We should have discussions about but it here on nantucket, a tiny island about 15,000 be around residents. This passed last week, the ice came over and took four sexual predators gotaways who are here on the island, raped two kids, two children were raped by these gotaways sexually assaulted, two others, two other gentlemen who had sexually assaulted women here on the island were taken away for, for gotaways on this tiny island, picked up a plucked and taken away by ice. It is a real problem in communities across america. We should be having a fullthroated discussion about it in an intellectual way, in a constructive way, there is a problem we need to figure out how to get illegal immigrants out of the country. They should not be here, right? legal immigration is a great thing. We're not going to deport everybody who's here. I know that's a plan, but we need to think about there are lots of violent people here in america who are committing crimes, right now. And if the congress wanted to focus on that, laken riley, there's a long list every day and go through and talk about real incidents were not making things up and demonizing an entire year, but as you know, actually, violent crime is down robbery shoplifting has been up crime, violent crime i'm saying as you know, so it migrates generally commit do not commit crimes at the same level, commit crimes at a lower level. They understand the u. S. Population. I i'm not i'm saying it is an issue in the immigrant community here on the had target of two young children raped two other women, were sexually assaulted. I'm telling you it's a problem here. I've talked to folks in the community their concerned, they're nervous. There may be other folks like that here. So while it may not be a big deal for lots of people with a big deal in lots of different communities of color across america as well. Yeah ashley, what do you make of that? look, what david just described is awful. I don't know those cases and we do have an immigration policy, but republicans don't want to have that conversation because if they did, then j. D. Vance and donald trump would not be talking about the lie about immigrants eating pets, but that's what they're doing. They are not setting a there saying deport them all. So let's have this conversation, but we have to have it in good faith. We have to have it and actually let the winwin bills come up that a conservative senator wants to pass, that your candidate doesn't kill the bill if you actually want to have immigration. So i respect david, but i don't take the remarks that are actually being applied that maybe how you feel, but that is not how the leader of your party is moving right now. And so what we need in this moment is to hold him accountable. There was an opportunity for it not to be the person that would spread these lies, but that's why you all went with so it's kind of hard to say. We want to have a policy discussion, but then we're here talking about lies and hate we need to do it. We all need to do better. We've got to take a break and just ahead, a live update on the hurricane. There's heading for florida and could be a category four storm sun later, especially poor kids on policy, politics with the voters of tomorrow, make it the campaign today that pops into your head when you hear the name kamala harris liar. 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Now the former president today said he's going back to butler, pennsylvania, seen in the first two attempts on his life yesterday, his campaign said he was briefed by the office of the director of national intelligence about quote real and specific threats from iran to assassinate him in an effort to destabilize and sow chaos in the united states today, he talked about it as you know, there have been two assassination attempts, so my life that, we know of and they may or may not involve but possibly due iran but i don't really know, can't be sure because in the first case in butler, pennsylvania, a great place and we're going back to butler by the way. We're gonna go back and finish our speech the fbi has been unable to open the three potentially foreign based apps and the second case, the assassin, had six cell phones in his car, yet the fbi has likewise been unable to penetrate it. Their guard, they break into apps all the time. They had no problem breaking into the apps of the j6 hostages he's. Referring there to people now jailed in connection with the attack on the u. S. Capitol, they are not hostages. They've been tried in a court of law and found guilty. He also said that if he were president, he threatened to blow around cities, quote, to smithereens if iran were to harm when he called a leading presidential candidate himself perspective now from andrew mccabe, former deputy director of the fbi, is there first of all, any specific evidence is just that there's a direct connection between trump's assassination attempts and iran at this point. Absolutely. None that we've heard of and we do know that the fbi and the director of national intelligence just in the last few days, briefed the trump campaign on an ongoing what we call threat stream a concern that the iranians are still interested in harming the former president's. So that is really a very separate thing from these two very local solitary, not particularly adept guys who have tried it so far, just say that butler shooter was you know, it got pretty close to what he was trying to achieve. And of course, the gentleman on the golf course did not. It's amazing me. I mean, trump is obviously, as long history of being very critical of the fbi and the justice department claiming today that they are quote, mishandling and downplaying the investigation into his recent assassination attempt in florida and suggesting that i guess that they're not trying hard enough to break into these cell phones. Just seems ridiculous. I want to play what attorney general garland said yesterday. The attempted assassination on the former president was a heinous act. I'm grateful that he is safe. And as i said, immediately after the event, the justice department would spare no resource to ensure accountability it's someone who's been obviously the focus of trump's attacks before. I mean, do you think they have a negative impact on the fbi and justice department's the credibility. There functioning will they do now to be very clear, they don't have a negative impact on how the fbi does its work. And i am 100% confident that the fbi is pursuing every lead and pushing in the investigations of both of those attempted assassinations as far as they can, for his credit, the attorney one generals have been incredibly consistent about his concerns about addressing political violence. So there's no effect there, but the other, but there isn't effect in terms of how the public perceives what the fbi is dealing. For instance, when the when the former president consistently lies about fbi capabilities an fbi intense and says things about the fbi being political. Those are falsehoods but they have a deleterious effect on people's perception of the way that the bureau and the department do their work and that undermines the effectiveness of these two critical institutions that we rely on to keep us safe. So he is hard coming america, not just the fbi when he does that trump, as i mentioned, i mean, he claimed that the fbi while the fbi quote, had no problem breaking to the absent that j6 hostages as he falsely calls them. He says the fbi has been able to open certain apps to the man who attempted to assassinate him in florida i assume. I mean, what do you know that would the fbi had told him that as part of a briefing, is that something that they would disclose to him it's possible that they would have shared that sort of an investigative update with him as he is the victim of both of these crimes however, his case thomas has suggestions that they're not working hard enough or they're not applying the full scope of their capability because they don't like kim is absolutely absurd. It shouldn't surprise anyone that the former president who, as i understand it, doesn't even use email, isn't really aware of the complexity of trying to enter foreign a communications apps that utilize things like endtoend encryption and very strong passwords. It is not an easy science, it's one that the fbi spends an enormous amount of time on and not not to beat a dead horse here, but the bureau has been arguing for over a decade, has been warning the country and congress about the seriousness of this very problem, which they've historically referred to as going dark. That is encryption gets better and communications applications routinely apply endtoend encryption. You get more and more spaces that are beyond the reach of lawful court orders. And so it is harder for every law enforcement entity to try to access even with court authorization you cannot access communications if they're adequately protected in some of these apps that's a big problem, but it's obviously when the president, and it doesn't understand andrew mccabe. Thank you. Both candidates talk about their plans for the economy today, speaking north carolina, the foreign president promised to lower corporate tax rates on companies making products domestically and continued to push for higher tariffs, which he believes other countries not importers and consumers would pay. He also claimed vice president harris, quote, destroyed san francisco, called her a communist and called her the tax queen. Speaking in pittsburgh, pennsylvania, she laid out her own economic plan, which is having a middleclass tax cuts and tax credits under my plan, more than 100 million americans will get a middleclass tax break that includes $6,000 for new during the first year of their child's life everything from car seats to cringe. We will also help firsttime homebuyers just get their foot in the door with the $25,000 downpayment assistance on average, it costs about $40,000 to start a new business but currently, the tax deduction for startup is only $5,000, which is why as president, i will make the startup deduction ten times richer and we will raise it from 5,000 to $50,000 the vice president also sat down with msnbc is definitely rule the interview that just aired. Here's her answer. The former president has promised to women monday night to be in her in his words, their protector so donald trump is also the person who said women should be punished. For exercising a decision that they rightly should be able to make about their own body and their future. He also then chose three members of the united states supreme court who did as he intended. And did the protections of roe v. Wade. And now in state after state, you see laws being passed that do punish women so look, i think the thing about donald trump, trump is that you know, i don't think the women of american need him to say he's going to protect them. The women of america need him to trust them back with the panel joining us is republican strategist erin perrine i'm wondering what your reaction to the vice president's comments are there. And i mean, do you think that message resonates more with women than trump's? i think that her message there is really inconclusive for women because she still has yet to really get into the policy specifics about what she plans with this economic agenda. Yes, she's talked about family tax credits. She's talked about home ownership, but how is she going to get there and how is she going to build a coalition to be able to get it done? because while she has talked about wanting to live lemon8, the filibuster, it's still exists in the united states senate and the american people, a quarter of them are still looking for her policy positions on whether or not they're going to be able to support her. So right now, she needs to be able to also talk about the coalition she thinks she can build to make this actually happened for the american people. Unlike donald trump, who has to they're and renegotiated trade deals internationally. We saw nafta get renegotiated to usmca under him. We saw the tax cuts and jobs act under him. We saw that he did pursue tariffs as well as a means to try and protect american jobs and the american economy. He was very focused on bringing jobs home to the united states so while kamala may talk, kamala may talk in platitudes towards women. What women want, and a woman like me would want is to know the specifics of her policies. She is going to pursue. Ashley well i think what the vice president said is right on, we don't need donald trump to be our protector. We need him to stay out of our business. This and to trust us to make decisions with our body. And i think the vice president has been very clear on that the person who has been unclear on where he would actually be on abortion is donald trump when he someday is going to support the the florida abortion ban and then some days he's not some days he's going to make people pay for ivf and some days he's not. So i think he's been quite inconsistent and that is why you see the ongoing gender gap in terms of women have been more support and more trust and kamala harris, but to the economy part, i think that the vice president has laid out her plan, donald trump has concepts of plans. He even said he has concepts of plans on the debate stage i think that when you are someone like myself, like entrepreneur and you hear about the tax break, or you hear about the firsttime home credit tax credit you would get for buying a home, but you also hear about how she's going to fight for the middle class and how she comes up from the middleclass herself and her own lived experience makes her the type of fighter that we want. I think that the american people are beginning and should start to resonate. I also think that she has to continue to acknowledge that they did inherit a very unstable economy because of covid. But unstable because of the management of it. And that things are still hard and that she can make things continue to get better. But i mean, obviously the economy is an issue that mean you look at the polls time after time, donald trump raise much more, much higher on the economy, on economic matters. Dan kamala harris doesn't mean the gap is really wide. She's got to narrow that gap has she done enough? well, she she actually has narrowed the gap in some recent polls, there's an ape people that came out last week. There was another one that was released this week, which suggested it was it was closer than what we might have been very low double digits. I think they've been singledigits actually people which i think is remarkable and i, you know, i look i give voters the benefit of the doubt in general. I think though this idea that voters are looking for a detailed economic plans as fallacy, i'm back in 2015, donald trump's one of the smartest things they've said about politics, which is that it's the press that wants policy proposals. Now voters, they don't really care about them. I think that's generally true. And i think this this charge that harris hasn't released a policy agenda it's sort of a fig leaf in, i think to it's meant to distract from the fact that donald trump's policy agenda is basically tariffs. And he only really started talking about that when everyone was focused on project 2025, he didn't do these broad sweeping tariffs in the same way that he's promised when he was actually president so i think that american voters, one of the questions i have is, are there hey saying that they're more interested in harris's economic agenda. I think she'll do better job because they're more prone to vote for harris is, are we getting the horse before the cart instead of the cart before the horse on this. And i think it's really unclear and i think that a lot of this is just sort of sort of jockey prison. Biden was on the view earlier today, and i want to play something that he said about about his vice president and his vice president, there wasn't a single thing that i did that she couldn't do and so i was able to delegate her responsibility on everything from foreign policy to domestic policy. Ashley, do you think i mean, first of all, it's interesting how little we see president biden. These days. I mean, it's kind of remarkable when you think, i mean, how much has changed do, you think it hurts kamala harris to have president biden out there if she does, she does she gain much by having him out there? i think the president resonates with a certain constituency, particularly white males in philadelphia, excuse me, in pennsylvania and michigan and wisconsin in those blue wall states, he was pulling better than the vice president was so having him go out and speak to her in certain areas, i think is strategic ai also think the reason why we don't see as much as joe biden because he's not running for president and typically an election cycle, the president, he still governing and still doing the job of the president, but he's giving space for the vice president to pray her own narrative to create her own policy agenda. So i think that in some places having the president out there as good and then other places, she is the one and running and she needs to be out there communicating or her vision is ashley allison philip bump, erin perrine. Thanks so much coming up next the latest on hurricane helene and the final preparations underway before it makes landfall is potentially one of the largest storms in a long time also tonight with 360 special report, a conversation with ten, an 11yearold students across it's a country to see if the future generation of voters is already polarized about our elections talk about? the news sports a little family, gaza, maybe now, you don't do that right here's another topic for you. As they get older, their risk of getting really sick from a respiratory virus like flu, covid19 and rsv goes up a lot. So talk to them about getting the season's vaccines because you've still got so much to talk about. Nobody's born with grid roses really. It's something you build over time. 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So valdosta, georgia and you thinking, wait, georgia, how can that be across the state line? this is going to hold together. This is going to stay a category two hurricane at least for about 100 miles inland. So what we have right now, this is 8:00 advisory at five miles per hour and that's what we were at 5:00. Let me be honest. This is probably not an 85 mile per hour storm right now, probably 75 or 80 is it's flattened out over the past three hours. That is absolutely great because it could be a 95 mile per hour storm, but it's not there. We have two airplanes in a storm right now, hurricane hunters looking at it, not seeing it yet, but i think it's going to recover as the nightfalls, the sunsets, that everything kind of calms down, the sheer calms down. And then the forecast comes through as it comes all the way up to the west of tampa at onethirty. Now, this it does not mean tampa is going to get a category four wind category four is only going to be confined to that eyewall itself. That coming up here into the big bend of florida. And then really maybe valdosta, you get a category two and even up toward atlantic, you might get a category one gust that's kind of how it works. These big number as you hear your 13135 say very small confined area. But this is a wide storm with big impact. We're going to have her cane force winds were going to have a storm surge of 20 feet, right where our derek van dam is standing right now. And so this is going to be a big, impactful well storm, wind, tropicalstormforce winds over the entire state of florida, hurricane force winds, right there into the big bend. But look at the wind all the way into georgia, all the way into asheville, charlotte. You're going to see wind gusts over 80 miles per hour at time. So it's a lot of rain coming down as well. Could be a foot of rain, foot of rain in the mountains anderson, that's going to cause significant flash flooding to chad myers. Thanks so much. Let's go to derek van dam, who joins us now, live where are you and how bad could it get there? all right. Anderson, we're getting our first taste of what hurricane helene could bring to this area were in apalachicola and the florida big bend area. And we're getting this first taste and i want to make this pretty quick because the lightning has really picked up and there's actually some signs on the local radar that there could be a waterspout just off st. George island, which is very near to where i'm standing. But the national weather service from tallahassee very close to here, they look over this area using very strong verbage saying that did is increasingly likely that storm surge will become catastrophic or unsurvivable near apalachee bay, which is very near where i'm at i know if this storm surge measurement tool is any sign or indicator of what's to be expected here with a landfall and category four storm, then we need to plan for the worst, this shading of blue is the storm surge, inundation of a category four hurricane. The shading of yellow as a category three. The shading of red represents the water level calls for a category two storm here and apalachicola. What we're forecasting is ten to 15 feet, where i'm standing and that is twice as high as how i'm standing right now. This is just going to be an incredibly powerful storm, one that i'm talking to local residents here. They fear could be one of the worst storms that they've experienced and the reason this area so vulnerable is because of the shallow nature of the gulf of mexico, which is directly over my shoulder, anderson, you could go out 50 miles it's from here and still only have ten feet of water underneath you. Then that shelf drops off very quickly so when you get a large expanding storm like this, well, it's going to push up that water once it reaches the shelf and it's going to inundate these very low lying areas like the appalachia bay region where i'm located now now this storm is not only strengthening, it is also growing in size and by the time this makes landfall, it will have tropical storm force winds extend over 400 miles from its center of this could rival some of the largest storms in us history. Derek van dam, i'm glad you're there. Thanks very much. 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So we decided to try to find out from them directly in teamed up with a renowned political scientists from stanford and a psychologist at arizona state university to design and conduct a study looking at polarization among fourthgraders are experts asked us to find three schools, one from a town that went heavily for president biden the last election, one that went big for former president trump in 20, 21 in an area about evenly split. So we ended up in blue new jersey, red texas, and purple, arizona the researchers spoke to at kids over the course of more than 40 hours, cnn got permission from all the students, parents, and guardians, or guardians before talking with them. Obviously, and kids offered their unvarnished opinions of the candidates was fascinating. The experts first spoke to students in the spring before biden dropped out of the race, then returned in the last two weeks to see how things that change will come. A harris the study found that some kids as young as ten are already extremely polarized. Let's take a look. What's the first word that pops into your head when you hear the name kamala harris liar, what's the first word that pops into your head when you hear donald trump period which one do you think is more selfish selfish? probably kamala harris yeah, because girls are a little bit dramatic sometimes. And do you think that people in the united states are ready to have another four years of donald trump if he's reelected, know why not? because i feel like all he does is complain and like, you the researchers found that opinions of the candidates from these ten, 11yearold spanned a spectrum is why does america donald trump is given his life in his heart she even shook hands with mr. Trump, did greet them for the debate, started the debate, which is pretty kind of when you're going against your opponent the study was designed by psychologists ashley land drum political scientists, shunto in guard in durham, conducted all the interviews and showed the students pictures of the candidates, and asked them questions like, which one of these two do you think is more honest? which one of these two do you think would keep us safer if they were elected landrieu him also showed them an emoji chart and our feelings chart and ask them questions like this. I'm going to ask you how much you like each of these two candidates. The questions were phrased to promote more openended conversations our you to house, but it's hard one thing that the kids talked a lot about former president trump's legal issues. How much do you like donald trump using that scale oh, probably don't trump probably hate me for doing this show you really don't like donald trump job id. What do like jail or me to be clear, while trump was booked and released from jail, he didn't spend time behind bars 30 the two 2% of all students brought up, the former president's legal issues. In general, kids who said they'd support donald trump did not see his legal problems as a disqualifier. Hi, how are you doing today? this was in may before trump's conviction? should he be president again, still yeah. Like we can say, for example, and jfk he cheated on his wife, but like people still loved him drove washington thomas jefferson both slaveowners, being a slave owners, really bad. It's really bad. Then but they still had two terms. So i think even though trump has done bad stuff still deserves to run for president and now which one of these two candidates do you think is more likely to do bad things stole liar because he's a convicted felon. Do you think it's okay for somebody who is a convicted felon to become president of the united states? yes many children were also very aware of the first assassination attempt on former president trump and which one do you think is tougher trump because he did survive a gunshot and does anything else make them tougher? do you think or was it mostly his reaction to that he's also pretty brave. If i was president, i was talking to a lot of people falling be really scared. And her why would something like that happen like a lot of people nowhere else and stuff like whenever something like that happens to them, not want to take cow somebody else that they don't like yeah. And how does that make you feel nervous because like you never know when day be used for vice president harris students from both schools had a lot to say about her race and gender so do you think it matters more to voters that she's a woman or that she's a person of color. I don't really care about like what color she is. I just kept like the personality and like what she wants, what she wants to do. Do you think people would be bothered at all by the fact that kamala harris is you know, half black and half nelke, indian american know, because barack obama was elected twice my two terms serve all eight years. It'd be good for us to have i'm a, black woman as president for the first time in history. Yeah. My votes still on trump at 86% of all students are researcher talked to thought america was ready for a woman president of color. And do you think people in the u. S. Are ready for a woman president? yeah. Because it hasn't been a woman it has been one yet the fact that she's a woman and she's black, that could help kids who are like her or are different feel a lot more accepted. Still, some students had different views about gender i just feel like a boys would probably be better as president. But she's pretty and stuff. But i just don't think a woman would be all right for a president yeah. So why do you think woman wouldn't be right for president in your view? i think because only boys i've been been president before that there would be more stronger finding the children in the study were pulled polarized with what researchers called more extreme responses from the blue state kids, than the red state case add things he's like hitler. He only wanted to be president so that he can adjust control everybody trump is supporting january 6. Now, i remember that january 6 was a bunch of republicans believing trump i feel like they fought trump was a god. People lot arrested i think one officer died after afterwards. That was a big day the study found that these democrat leaning kids were about nine times more likely to express negative emotions about dying donald trump. Then republican leaning kids were about kamala harris why might that be? psychologists? ashley land drum has some idea cameras. So donald trump is a very polarizing figure and it's very possible that the kids are reacting to their parents, reacting to donald trump being a very different kind of political figure than what we've seen before. So do the red state kids hold as strong of attitudes? well, not when we're talking about kamala harris, in part that could be because they don't know that much about her landrieu was also curious about how kids saw their peers and the political divide. Alright, so do you think that the kids that live in those two houses would be friends with each other. They can they told me there's no law breaking that it doesn't mind a few are different by skin color or doesn't matter if you're different by people, you can still be friends the study found that republican leaning kids were more open into visiting a democrat supporting household the democratleaning kids were about five times more likely to say they would not want to go to a pro trump house would they be okay with you going over to somebody's house who was really supportive of president trump? no. No. Why not because they know that he's not he's not he's not like that people. So you will not do not be happy to see me with your family. Let you go over to somebody house who is really supportive of donald trump no. No, they wouldn't know why not. Because like my mom and dad don't like donald trump at all a single day would you be okay going over to somebody's house whose family really likes kamala harris think it'd be funny is it's just about the personality of the people would your family be okay if you went over to somebody's house who really liked donald trump? if i won't be real over here if i went over there. Sure. I imagine be a girdle argument or a fight may really foo fighters schunk forget. This is a study about 10:11 yearolds and one issue they all had strong feelings on was taylor swift's endorsement of conway harris are you a fan of taylor swift know. So taylor swift said who she wanted to vote for. Do you think that her vote is going to influence the election? yes yeah. Why do you think that the swifties will follow her lead do you think? that her endorsement would impact the election yes. Yes. Why do you think that she would have such a big impact on the election because she's like very, very popular coffee score thought