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Your nose cnn news central weekdays, at seven eastern hello everyone. Welcome to the amanpour hour. Here's where we're headed this week people would play to trump's ego from the trenches while serving in the trump white house was general, a jaw mcmaster's tough this mission. Yet he wants to be regarded the way he thought people regarded strong men. Also this hour legendary actor in mcallen on why he'll never retire fat suit that saved him as i landed vault somewhere in the front row on myself screaming, help me, help me. Then quick far conversation with journalists for hersh and mark landler on the week's biggest stories, should elon musk worry about being arrested the next time he goes to france, it's not an inconceivable notion. And from my archive holy ghosting, the divine disconnect that reshape britain. And why my conversation with the author hilary mantel's is more relevant than ever. And finally there's one more on the hong the afghan women defying the taliban's latest draconian laws by singing for freedom welcome to the program, everyone. I'm christiane amanpour in london. And we begin with a career soldier who's experienced, has spanned decades in the trenches and in the halls of power general hr mcmaster has seen action in well, the most significant wars of our time, from iraq to afghanistan, but little did he know that a deployment much closer to home would prove one of his toughest missions ever. Mcmaster was named donald trump's national security adviser in february 2017, thrusting him into a tumultuous hotbed of impulse an ego. Now, he's lifting the lid on what went down in the oval office in his new book at war with ourselves. My tour of duty in the trump white house. It's a firsthand account of an insecure leader prone to pitting people against each other. And yet also having some valuable gut instincts. Jail mcmaster talk to me about the good, the bad, and the ugly, and trump's strongman obsession that he says made it all but impossible for those trying to serve america's best interests you talk about your tour of duty during the trump years when you were our for a period of i think about a year, his national security adviser, you say discussions of vladimir putin and russia would difficult to have with president trump and you felt it was your duty to point out to trump that vladimir putin was quote was not and would never be trump's friend. Talk us through that. Why did trump think he would be and what sort of raised red flags to you well, i think president trump, you're suffered under the same conceit that george w bush had suffered under president obama earlier in their, in their presidencies. Remember when george w bush looked into putin's soul and saw somebody who really cares about as people. And then you had the reset policy under, under the obama ministration and the belief that they could change putin's behavior if they just laid his security concerns and they could get what president trump would call like a big deal. President trump has a lot of confidence in his deal dealmaking abilities. And so it was my job to point out, hey, mr. President, this guy is the best liar the best deceiver in the world, and by the way vladimir putin has aspirations and objectives in mind that go far beyond anything that's your reaction to what we do and so what provokes putin and this is the message that i would try to give the president. And i think succeeded for time and giving the president, is that what provoked? putin? is the perception of weakness. And this is what led, you'll, president trump to put more sanctions on russian entities and individuals. In the first year of his presidency, than the previous eight years of the obama administration. He closed to console it's he he expelled scores of russian undeclared intelligence since officers, any provided defensive capabilities to ukraine in the form of javelin missiles. But of course, you know, the audio didn't, didn't match the video. A lot of times with what president trump was saying, right? a block about vladimir putin, and that was, that was frustrating to us who thought putin needs to be sent a clear, unambiguous message that we would impose costs on him that went far beyond the cost that putin considered. When he decided to take aggressive actions against u. S. And our european allies. And yet you say that you went back one night and you said to your wife, i don't don't know what putin has on trump because trump was constantly, at least in this anecdote, the report trying to send congratulations, trying to send. Thank you's anytime he thought putin had praised him or flattered him, and you said, basically not gonna do that. What do you think? why would trump do that? and what do you think putin had on him well, i don't think he had anything on him. I really don't. Christiane, i think he had a holdover him, i think is what i said. I can't i could. Understand you know, putin, i don't i don't regard vladimir putin is a charming person so but i think the president prompt saw in some of these authoritarian leaders he saw, he wanted, he wanted to be regarded the way he thought people regarded that kind of some of these strong men. And i think also, you know, again, he had this faith in his ability to make a big deal and if you read he'll kind of his approach to dealmaking he would always try to separate the personal relationship from the negotiation had had have you saw that, that's the kind of way he approached of vladimir putin, xi jinping, and erdogan's. But what i was trying to explain and i think it was successful in doing so at times is that vladmir putin has to be confronted with real costs and we did have some major confrontations with putin. He didn't get the sanctions relief you wanted. He didn't get the foreign policy decisions. You want it until president trump, i think disastrously reversed his afghanistan policy and initiated what became one of the biden ministration, a humiliating selfdefeating deadly retreat from kabul. So i'll take christiane, i mean, i couldn't figure it out. It open. I think it has a lot to do with president's trump's desire to get like a big deal. But you also what he described himself as like he described himself as this affinity that he has for these you know, these socalled tough guys but you also talked about i think these this is the sentence. There was a competition for sycophancy in other words, within the white house and the advisors and he just liked that kind of that stuff from whether it's from dictators and autocrats, or whether from you guys who are around him right? so you i mean it's no surprise that the people try to influence the president, the united states, right though, the most powerful leader on, on earth. And that's, that's people within the administration who, who might be in the administration to advance their own agendas rather than to help the president determine his policies and determined his agenda. And then of course so it relates to foreign leaders as well. And, you know, hey, it's no surprise that people would play to trump's ego and in writing, the book, i thought should i put this in the book? i wasn't sure, but i thought, well, vladimir putin understands how he would try to press president trump's buttons. If i write it, maybe if if president trump does get reelected, he'll be less susceptible. To these kinds of tactics i wonder what you think about trump in a second term, because he defends himself and many of his former policymakers defend his time as no new wars during his period, and there will be no new wars during a second trump term. Well, i think course who wants war? so what i think, what will be important is your how president trump reconcile some of the opposite views that he holds in his mind at times and he believes in peace through strength. She talks about peace through strength. He talks about strengthening the military, which i think is very important at this moment. Christiane, i think we're on the precipice of even wider wars. We have these cascading conflicts and in europe and the middle east and they could cascade further in the indopacific, lookout, aggressive the people's liberation army navy is being against a treaty ally, the united states and the philippines so i think what, what president trump, i think would, would, would need to reconcile is that instinct towards peace through strength? and his impulse to withdraw from some overseas military commitments that i think are essential to deterring war and general mcmaster's book is out now coming up next next on the program, actor sir ian mckellen, on being born again. And the fat suit that saved him when he fell off stage at the age of 84. Also oh, ahead. Why social media bosses should be scared off to telegram's founder is charged for alleged criminal activity on his platform tv moments that took cuculture overer the edge. E. 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Yet he wants to be regarded the way <\/a>he thought people regarded strong men. Also this hour legendary actor in mcallen on <\/a>why he'll never retire fat suit <\/a>that saved him as i landed vault somewhere in the front row <\/a>on myself screaming, help me, help me. Then quick far conversation with journalists for hersh and mark <\/a>landler on the week's biggest stories, should elon musk worry <\/a>about being arrested the next time he goes to france, it's not an inconceivable notion. And from my archive holy ghosting,<\/a> the divine disconnect that reshape britain. And why my conversation with the author hilary <\/a>mantel's is more relevant than ever. And finally there's one more on the hong the afghan women defying the taliban's latest draconian laws by singing for freedom welcome <\/a>to the program, everyone. I'm christiane amanpour <\/a>in london. And we begin with a career soldier <\/a>who's experienced, has spanned decades in the trenches and in the halls of power general hr mcmaster <\/a>has seen action in well, the most significant wars of our time, from iraq to afghanistan, but little did he know that a deployment much closer to home would prove one of his toughest missions ever. Mcmaster was named donald trump's national security adviser <\/a>in february 2017,<\/a> thrusting him into a tumultuous hotbed of impulse an ego. Now, he's lifting the lid on what went down in the oval office <\/a>in his new book at war with ourselves. My tour of duty in the trump white house. It's a firsthand account of an insecure leader prone to pitting people against each other.<\/a> And yet also having some valuable gut instincts.<\/a> Jail mcmaster talk <\/a>to me about the good, the bad, and the ugly, and trump's strongman obsession <\/a>that he says made it all but impossible for those trying to serve america's best interests you talk about your tour of duty during the trump years when you were our for a period of i think about a year, his national security adviser, you say discussions of vladimir putin and russia <\/a>would difficult to have with president trump and you felt it was your duty to point out to trump that vladimir putin <\/a>was quote was not and would never be trump's friend. Talk us through that. Why did trump think he would be and what sort of raised red flags to you well, i think president trump, you're suffered under the same conceit that george w bush <\/a><\/a>had suffered under president obama <\/a>earlier in their, in their presidencies. Remember when george w bush <\/a><\/a>looked into putin's soul and saw somebody who really cares about as people. And then you had the reset policy under,<\/a> under the obama ministration <\/a>and the belief that they could change putin's behavior if they just laid his security concerns <\/a>and they could get what president trump would call like a big deal. President trump <\/a>has a lot of confidence in his deal dealmaking <\/a>abilities. And so it was my job to point out, hey, mr. President, this guy is the best liar the best deceiver in the world, and by the way <\/a>vladimir putin has aspirations and objectives in mind that go far beyond anything that's your reaction to what we do and so what provokes putin and this is the message that i would try to give the president. And i think succeeded for time and giving the president, is that what provoked? putin? is the perception of weakness. And this is what led, you'll, president trump to put more sanctions on russian entities and individuals. In the first year of his presidency, than the previous eight years of the obama administration.<\/a> He closed to console it's he he expelled scores of russian undeclared intelligence since officers, any provided defensive capabilities to ukraine in the form of javelin missiles. But of course, you know, the audio didn't, didn't match the video. A lot of times with what president trump was saying, right? a block about vladimir putin, and that was, that was frustrating to us who thought putin needs to be sent a clear, unambiguous message that we would impose costs on him that went far beyond the cost that putin considered. When he decided to take aggressive actions against u. S. And our european allies.<\/a> And yet you say that you went back one night and you said to your wife, i don't don't know what putin has on trump because trump was constantly, at least in this anecdote, the report trying to send congratulations, trying to send. Thank you's anytime he thought putin had praised him or flattered him, and you said, basically not gonna do that. What do you think? why would trump do that? and what do you think putin had on him well, i don't think he had anything on him. I really don't. Christiane, i think he had a holdover him, i think is what i said. I can't i could. Understand you know, putin, i don't i don't regard vladimir putin <\/a>is a charming person so but i think the president prompt <\/a>saw in some of these authoritarian leaders he saw, he wanted, he wanted to be regarded the way <\/a>he thought people regarded that kind of some of these strong men. And i think also, you know, again, he had this faith in his ability to make a big deal and if you read he'll kind of his approach to dealmaking he would always try to separate the personal relationship from the negotiation had had have you saw that, that's the kind of way he approached of vladimir putin, xi jinping,<\/a> and erdogan's. But what i was trying to explain and i think it was successful in doing so at times is that vladmir putin <\/a>has to be confronted with real costs and we did have some major confrontations with putin. He didn't get the sanctions relief <\/a>you wanted. He didn't get the foreign policy decisions.<\/a> You want it until president trump, i think disastrously reversed his afghanistan policy and initiated what became one of the biden ministration,<\/a> a humiliating selfdefeating deadly retreat from kabul.<\/a> So i'll take christiane, i mean, i couldn't figure it out. It open.<\/a> I think it has a lot to do with president's trump's desire to get like a big deal. But you also what he described himself as like he described himself as this affinity that he has for these you know, these socalled tough guys but you also talked about i think these this is the sentence. There was a competition for sycophancy in other words, within the white house <\/a>and the advisors and he just liked that kind of that stuff from whether it's from dictators and autocrats, or whether from you guys who are around him right? so you i mean it's no surprise that the people try to influence the president, the united states, right though, the most powerful leader on, on earth. And that's, that's people within the administration who, who might be in the administration to advance their own agendas rather than to help the president determine his policies and determined his agenda. And then of course so it relates to foreign leaders as well. And, you know, hey, it's no surprise that people would play to trump's ego and in writing, the book, i thought should i put this in the book? i wasn't sure, but i thought, well, vladimir putin <\/a>understands how he would try to press president trump's buttons. If i write it, maybe if if president trump does get reelected, he'll be less susceptible. To these kinds of tactics i wonder what you think about trump in a second term, because he defends himself and many of his former policymakers defend his time as no new wars during his period, and there will be no new wars during a second trump term.<\/a> Well, i think course who wants war? so what i think, what will be important is your how president trump reconcile some of the opposite views that he holds in his mind at times and he believes in peace through strength. She talks about peace through strength. He talks about strengthening the military, which i think is very important at this moment. Christiane, i think we're on the precipice of even wider wars. We have these cascading conflicts and in europe and the middle east <\/a>and they could cascade further in the indopacific, lookout, aggressive the people's liberation army navy is being against a treaty ally,<\/a> the united states and the philippines so i think what, what president trump, i think would, would, would need to reconcile is that instinct towards peace through strength? and his impulse to withdraw from some overseas military commitments that i think are essential to deterring war and general mcmaster's book is out now coming up next next on the program, actor sir <\/a>ian mckellen, on being born again.<\/a> And the fat suit <\/a>that saved him when he fell off stage at the age of 84. Also oh, ahead. Why social media bosses <\/a>should be scared off to telegram's founder is charged for alleged criminal activity on his platform tv <\/a>moments that took cuculture overer <\/a>the edge. E. P people <\/a>are e watctching ann arare worlrld <\/a>change he hahad <\/a>a explosive reverberation <\/a>tv on the ededge from aiairs sunday,<\/a>y seseptember 2222, did ninene on itch, scraratch must n <\/a>not stote ifif sanity y <\/a>with cortitisone for bubug bites,<\/a> poisoson ivy <\/a>a otheher riches, cocortisone ten nunumber one. . Talk recommenended.<\/a> It wor fast and lie t that's s for hou. Cocortisone ten this i is the e smart babase <\/a>from tempmpurpedi and i it respondsds to snori so youou don't have to o knknowe nudging yoyour <\/a>parartner or sleeping o <\/a>on the otheher sisid <\/a>the house e because ththe tempe ergo smamart base <\/a>actually detet snoring <\/a>then automaticalally adjusts to help reduce it all night, every n night,<\/a> don't miss our biggest sale of the year with savings up to $700 on select adjustable mattress sets <\/a>and experience the deep on distururb rest <\/a>of f tetempurpe <\/a>learn morere at tempururpedic com fofor <\/a>limited d time sububw jujust droppeded <\/a>the pricece o y footlong <\/a>g in the app t to 690 subway.<\/a> Dodo what? 69999 foot l says right earar, 699 for r any footllong get thisis deal in susubway up nonow befofore <\/a>it's lalate a at fisher i investment may <\/a>lolook like otother money y mananagers,<\/a> but t we'rere d dif now. So we'rere a fiducuciary, obliligated to act in n our clientnt's bebest intererest.<\/a> S so we don't sell anyny commissisionbased p products,<\/a> n how do you make e money? we hahave a simple e managem fee <\/a><\/a>structureded, so we dodo ber whenen <\/a>our clienents do the e cs realally come fifirst,<\/a> then n ye mamake <\/a>them a a top prioiority gegetting <\/a>to k know their r fin, familyly, health lifestyle,<\/a> and more. Wow, maybe we are differenent at fisher r investms <\/a>were clearlyly differentnt <\/a>why you justst ten buckekets o of w <\/a>when you c can usese one fire e exextinguisherer <\/a>and to fight t hearartburn mighght <\/a>take tenen assesets thrhroughout <\/a>ththe day yoyou <\/a>can takeke o one <\/a>pilot s easier heartburn relief,<\/a> one beats ten,n, probably y less ec dc,<\/a> one pillll <\/a>24 hours, z zero heart t <\/a>for well fooootball sea <\/a>already y and not a a satelliti dish i in sisight. Try h <\/a>hardly recognize e a ruse. 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Stanley steamer rerems <\/a>the dirtrt you seeee <\/a>in the did you don'n't you'u're cororporat aren't cleanened ununtil there' stanley steamer clean he's saying a cnn special event,<\/a> the abc news <\/a>presidential debate simulcast september 10,<\/a> nine welcome back. And now for our letter from london he is truly a giant of the stage and screen.<\/a> He's known for indelible roles from shakespeare's hamlet to gandalf in the lord of the rings, his career spans <\/a>over six decades. It's earned him countless awards and accolades, including two oscar nominations. And this week. So in mckellen came here here to our london studio <\/a>to talk about his new movie, the critic in which he plays a scheming theater reviewer <\/a>trying to conceal his homosexuality at a time when it was illegal here in britain, he told me about being a born again gay man in real life. And how wearing a fat suit <\/a>on stage saved him from serious bodily harm <\/a>in mckellen, welcome back to our program. Nice to be with. Listen, i hate to acknowledge, but you just had a prying. I mean, you fell off the stage in the player kings. How are you feeling? i'm recovering the last time we talked you went out to me? well, my next job is going to be which was to play a falstaff so john falstaff <\/a>shakespeare's, eye, conic, character in an adaptation of the players in which he has interest and here we're at the end <\/a>of that run, which for me, and then when i fell off the stage, when there's a bit more dramatic than that, there was a lot of the battle scenes.<\/a> A lot of rubbish, garbage thrown onto the stage, including own newspapers and bits of old chair, and running. I got my foot caught in a bit of chair in a bit of kicking it off the other foot like a skateboard glided <\/a>across the stage and debit <\/a>told the audience i could see it happening. I thought it was then of what that was then and as i landed on somebody in the front row <\/a>i heard myself screaming, help me, help me really i'm sorry. That was the next thing i said. The third the i said where did this come from? i don't do this. So that shouted to the audiences there left were they that was two months ago the recipient of serbian mckellen <\/a>was that person shocked or did they catch you? well, know, i sort of bounce. Fortunately, i was wearing a fat suit <\/a>because for stuff is huge that is fortunate. That protected my ribs to my extremities and but everybody trips were all ship it certainly when you get into your 80s, that it becomes dangerous. What can i say? i was going to say that which is probably what gave you the fear, the amount of fear that you had anyway, here you are in fine fettle, probably a little bit pains sill,<\/a> and promoting a new film. Yes, the critic. What is it about this film that attracted you? because you from all staff to this film critic jimmy skin,<\/a> who's a pretty as they said in one, in one review, waspish fellow <\/a>that's putting it mildly over the last ten years, you've compare me to livestock creatures <\/a>of the sea and an extinct bird. You've said my voice is floating grating girlish and manly you've described me as plump and domesticated, which is it? damn you know, season misses else did is glamorous, but on she doesn't seem to know how to walk how to walk up, taking it out to me for a decade. And now turn to stop you retired. Do you think i mean, i'm just he's talking about, you know, do you think critics have too much power because they have any power these days? no. But then yes. And i i've always had an easier time with critics because they get, to know you, do a number of players and you give her a performance they approve of them. Rather on your side, they look forward to the next thing you do they're inclined to you obviously had that because people really love you i did have some absolute stunning views and they were extremely help you have said and i'm going to quote a little bit you know, when you came out in 1988, almost overnight everything in my life changed for the better my relationships with people, my whole attitude towards acting changed, you said you began noticing difference in your work so this a lot it's a bit odd imitating life.<\/a> This, this plot. There's a connection absolutely. So how did it i think one of the reasons i became an actor with such enthusiasm was that it was a. I. Could escape the realworld where my sexuality was a hindrance to normality and so my actin had been come about, not deceits, not display, but disguise once i came out don't care who knows. Happy to talk about it backed him became about revelation, about discovery, about going for the truth of the matter and feeling a deeply well, that's a better, better, better way to act. And the former and as for friends and new friends hello friends <\/a>not turning her hair and family <\/a>saying, thank god, you've told us at last we hadn't been wanted to talk about it and i it's what you didn't want to all that went and yes, my life chances <\/a>absolutely. As i was born again. Yes. People said they're born again, christian, i'm a born again gay man. You fallen off a stage doing so much work. Are you still you're hale and hearty and all in one piece, do ever think of retiring know i feel sorry for people who look forward to retirement what we're going to do garden travel <\/a>i'm sure you can have a good time. Now. If i'm not working, i get bored. Get em i think i wasn't put onto the surface to sit around and read books he inimitable.<\/a> So ian and coming up next on the program, sending a message to social media telegram,<\/a> ceo is charged over alleged criminal activity on his app and i'll debate online safety and security <\/a>with journalists of what hersh and mark <\/a>landler monday night <\/a>two hour whole storory special. The candidates and the record on the key issues of the election season <\/a>she anticipates the strength of what the blowback might be. She is a leader who sees around corners. 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Time now for our lightning, look at the top headlines of the week and some of the stories flying under the radar here to discuss the new york times <\/a>london bureau chief mark <\/a>landler, and the writer, broadcaster, author and usc <\/a>professor of what hersh.<\/a> Welcome back both of you to the program. I'd like to start with something that's been water cooler talk <\/a>pretty much all week pavel durov,<\/a> the head of the telegram, are online site arrested now under formal investigation, $5 million barely cannot leave france is a citizen of france and accused of misusing his platform. Can i first ask what you think about this? what do you think about this moment of accountability? i think there are some really important facts to bear in mind. The agency that arrested him is the french agency that deals with exploitation and sexual abuse <\/a>of children. So these are really serious allegations he's on that there is general nefarious behavior on telegram. It's that crimes i think we can all agree need to be policed and for which people needs to be held accountable are taking place with no access to law enforcement <\/a>on telegram that's a very serious allegation when i think we should be very careful to dismiss obviously this is being linked to a bigger question about the accountability of tech founders <\/a>for what happens on their platform. But the reality is at the moment, nobody is being held responsible for all of the bad actors who are have a free rein to use these patterns as a journalist, i'm not a tool dismissive <\/a>of the importance of having secure ways to talk to people. I'm sure we've all spoken to sources in countries that rely on platforms like telegram are the only place they feel safe from the governments to express dissent and share <\/a>information. So that's a really important value, but i think when we start to conflate the importance of free speech <\/a>with criminal activity, that comes dana, really the point and mark elon musk of x <\/a>has famously tweeted in the aftermath, this should i worry about going to france, should mark zuckerberg <\/a>and the others worry, of course, in the united states, the tech bros,<\/a> so to speak, the tech chiefs do regularly get hauled in front of congress and they do they do say they're trying to do their best what do you think the tech industry <\/a>should be thinking right now that the ceos who are clearly being called publishers and not just platforms, i think that it's a potentially a kind of a landmark moment <\/a>for them. And one that they are going to have to take very seriously because it really represents the first time they're being held personally criminally liable in a way that they haven't been before. And the french may be sort of on the leading edge of this, but this same debate and the same movement toward this is happening in other countries, including in the uk, for example, in the case of the role that social media he had played in accelerating and fomenting some of the riots that happened here over the summer in the looting telegram,<\/a> by the way <\/a>indeed, indeed and the prime minister here, keir starmer has not yet said something like this, but he has sort of inched in that direction. Saying that publisher social media platforms <\/a>are responsible for the conduct of the the content that they host and so i think that should elon musk worry <\/a>about being arrested the next time he goes to france, it's not an inconceivable notion. You talk about keir starmer and you've written an article about how keir starmer and the democrats perhaps have stuff in common. You likened it back to the clinton blair <\/a>years, the famous third way.<\/a> How do you see that right now well, i think what's interesting about the parallel between the uk and the u. S. Right now is that you have in both countries of a former some are federal prosecutor, former chief prosecutor <\/a>here turned politician of figure who was perhaps more to the left of the spectrum. And has kind of pulled a little bit more to the center in the person of starmer and kamala harris <\/a>and they are campaigning in a similar environment with a very lively populist movement,<\/a> reform uk <\/a>hear donald trump <\/a>in the united states were real questions of law and order <\/a>are coming under pressure and that links it to what we were just talking about. One of the questions, for example, is keir starmer within weeks of getting into government face these very dangerous riots he clamped down on them hard some on the left might argue too hard but in a true law and order <\/a>defending the rule of law.<\/a> If kamala harris <\/a>were to beat donald trump <\/a>in a very narrow election, there's every chance that the u. S. Could face that kind of unrest so the question is, would kamala harris <\/a>take a page out of keir starmer's book in the way <\/a>she dealt with as a former prosecutor. And i want to ask you about gaza because actually some it was quoted in your article, one of the mps lost his seat, labor because of the labor position <\/a>on gaza and we've just seen an i'll read you a little bit of an excerpt of an oped in the new york times <\/a>said, common that needs a reset on gaza talking about the context in which they find themselves palestinian americans,<\/a> and that allies are bringing a context to this election. They carry a hope for ending palestinian oppression <\/a>that feels almost futile, but irresponsible to abandon. And a memory that extends past a few glitzy weeks what do you think they have to do? i think that actually there's a difference of material difference here between keir starmer and kamalaharris.<\/a> I mean, i totally agree with your analysis, but when i was a barista, i was in keir starmer's chambers. He was one of the reasons i joined that chambers, its famous for human rights <\/a>work for protecting international humanitarian law for fighting gets war crimes genocide,<\/a> and that is his background before he became a prosecutor, it makes the fact that during the election campaign <\/a>in the uk, he took quite pro proisraeli stance,<\/a> relatively speaking, all the more remarkable because i think people had an expectation that he would be prioritizing the lives of civilians in gaza of whom, you know, tens of thousands <\/a>have died as a result of this war. So i think what we saw in the uk as a kind of normalization of the idea that israel's right to protect itself was unacceptable. That an acceptable price to pay for that was the deaths in gaza. Now, it's even less surprising with kamala harris <\/a>because her background is more as centrists, more as a prosecutor utah,<\/a> and more as part of the biden administration that was very pro israel and i think that that piece that you referred to, it's so important because while we are all feeling the relief, i mean, i speak for myself and people with progressive politics.<\/a> The relief of there being a viable alternative to trump it's almost a bit like an abusive relationship where we've been groomed to expect such a dark and bleak political future that just the prospect of somebody who cares about the suffering in gaza, who will reference that. He'll say we need adjuster outcome <\/a>feels like a breath of fresh air,<\/a> but the reality is, there hasn't been any policy indication <\/a>shan yet to show us what that would mean in terms of holding israel <\/a>accountable and we should demand that hold those thoughts. We'll be right back because when we return, i want to ask both of our guests about stories below the fold paddle is all the rage here in the uk, but we'll pick a ball one day, eclipse ten is in the united states will be right back with some lighter fare cnn <\/a>special event the abc news <\/a>presisidentil debabate simulcastst <\/a>septembere nine icy hot <\/a>i just woworks firt makes it l <\/a>last contntrast you rise from pain. I see w when your k kid <\/a>is hurting anand there's nothining you cacan <\/a>do aboutut it that's worst feeleling in thehe world don't think k anybody evever expectcts <\/a>to hear r that theiri child hahas cancer.<\/a> . 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Matt, wewe're h hg prprogram <\/a>so expecect some rada history streaming <\/a>exclusively on max welcome <\/a>back to the program back now with my panel new york times <\/a>london bureau chief mark <\/a>landler, and the writer, broadcaster, author and usc <\/a>professor four hush.<\/a> We were talking about some really, really serious stuff and this is serious in the sportswear on this labor day weekend <\/a>in the united states and the u. S. Open is in full fling there's something going on with pickleball. And apparently the usta chiefs <\/a>and the others are very concerned that it could overtake tennis. Do you know anything about it? well, as it happens, christiane, i played my first game of pickleball early this summer on a family vacation <\/a>and i discovered that other members of my family are fanatic nic pickleball <\/a>players and so i was sort of playing with these zealots who are trying to convince me of why this was such a fantastic new game i have to say it was pleasant, but there were several things about it. It's sort of i had questions about and have become questions more broadly. I discovered when i began looking into it later, one is the noise there is a noise factor <\/a>attached to pickleball. It's the sound of the ball slacking <\/a>against the paddle multiplied hundreds and hundreds of times. That people who lived if near, converted tennis courts <\/a>where they're playing pickleball are being driven absolutely nuts and it's led to litigation and all is a protest. So the sort of noise pollution question <\/a>i think is a genuine question. 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This week the molecules would absolutely argue that they want to keep this not just the king prince andrew <\/a>was a favorite and there were others like tommy robinson,<\/a> the farright agitator.<\/a> I mean, it really raised the point that we live in the class society.<\/a> There are many people who live in and who live a lifestyle beyond any obvious sign of exertion jim <\/a>and you exertion is the key point. I think exhaustion is a guy. Finally pavel durov, mr. Telegram has boasted that he may be the father of 100 biological children through sperm durning,<\/a> donation. I think that's where he really earns his silicon valley tech <\/a>bros data that's because that then takes us in my opinion into the slightly grace great replacement theme world <\/a>where these men and i would include elon musk in this category heavily seem to genuinely believe that it's their duty given that perceived superiority in terms of genes to populate the yes, i am totally supportive of people who want to start their family in different ways. I'm not an anti sperm donation person <\/a>and also i think it's interesting that these same people like elon musk have been supporting a trump candidacy,<\/a> which actually promises to crack down on reproductive rights,<\/a> including artificial insemination <\/a>potentially it's a very inconsistent ideology, but you know, think about the children of somebody who's fathered 100 babies through, through spam there's all sorts of very worried about his identity to have subsequent couplings. In any event, we'll leave it there. 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It was on this day, august 31st, 15, 33 that henry the eighth <\/a>was excommunicated from the catholic church <\/a>for a nulling his marriage to catherine of aragon and marrying <\/a>and berlin, who he later had beheaded henry is excommunication triggered the english reformation.<\/a> The creation of the church of england,<\/a> independent of popes authority <\/a>and the chain of religious reforms and feuds that shaped modern england from my archive this week, we revisit my conversation with the writer hilary mantel.<\/a> She soared to the top of the bestseller list <\/a>with her historical fiction <\/a>about henry the aides chief minister thomas cromwell.<\/a> She also won the booker prize <\/a>twice with so much of the world embroiled in conflict today,<\/a> our conversations starting with how chrome well played peacemaker to oath a war mongering king henry <\/a>seems more prescient than ever. I spoke to mantle a year before her death as she was suffering the debilitating effects of chronic endometriosis i suppose kromm wildly her station of a man who has tremendous personal faith but he also respected the face of others, and he knew that you couldn't bully people in or out believe above all, what he was with a peacekeeper and he kept the peace for most of henry's rain the king was inclined to go to war because promonarchy knows gauge it, retiree, you demonstrated your glory but the king cromwell's head to the king time and again.<\/a> No, you can't afford a war was not affordable. Things. You'll get into a war and you never know where it's going to end it can end in your country bankrupt calm well, have been a soldier he knew the eu the when cost of it and i think it's this principle done yet pragmatic stance. He's skill in negotiation and in balancing in tourists, that still has something to teach politicians today.<\/a> Do you think because i think you've said that this could be off to the queen. The big nurse of the british monarchy,<\/a> the english monarchy,<\/a> could sort of gradually fade away. In other words, you it doesn't have a long time in the future to go. Do you still think that? i think charles will be a good king? i think he may revitalized institution but i honestly can't see it out. Living his children and children it seems to me, has become in insert in the race selfdefeating,<\/a> not knowing whether to retain these previously mystic or open itself up and become a branch of show business.<\/a> There were parallels, either way you've lived a life of chronic pain <\/a>that i think you've detailed and you've talked about how it began. I think mostly when you were diagnosed or misdiagnosed with endometriosis and i just wonder whether you talk us through that a little bit. Yes, i'm going back now. I'm going back to round about 1971. I think i was 19. I took myself off to the doctor, the student health service university,<\/a> and i said, look, i'm tired all the time and i have we strange pains. And i i really don't know what's the matter, but i'm convinced it's something's matter and very actually wise or your sensitive young girl? it's all in your mind and actually they offered me tranquilizers, ship me off disunity coyotes didn't attack trees diagnosed with too ambitious. In other words, i was too big for my boots and he suggested i go work in your dress shop <\/a>i was a law student <\/a>at the time we were in the minority, but i was well on top of everything. I knew what i was doing. I would work capable of the academic work glenn,<\/a> it was the beginning of a long struggle. I had endometriosis, but by the time it was diagnosed, those 27 it, had destroyed my body it had certainly taken away my fertility so i have no children i didn't really get the opportunity. Think very hard about the issue because i woke up from surgery and the chance was gone together with a number of body parts <\/a>unfortunately, this drastic surgery didn't prove and kill i like grapple with the disease for most of my life. And all this with the consequences of that drastic surgery which put me into a body that was very strange. To me, very unfamiliar the pity or vts that women are still going undiagnosed they're not getting the diagnosis until damage is done and what we heard, he need because endometriosis is in many ways a difficult disease to diagnose because it can display such a variety of symptoms. But we need doctors teachers, nurses to think about it to think of it as a possible diagnosis. 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Pulled out meanwhile, the first afghan woman to compete internationally since the taliban takeover,<\/a> zakia khudadadi <\/a>made history again this week she won bronze in taekwondo, becoming the first member of the refugee paralympic big <\/a>team to win a medal. That's all we have time for this week. Don't forget, you can find all our shows online as podcasts at cnn. Com\/podcast and on all other major that forms, i'm christiana amanpour <\/a>in london. Thank you for watching and see you again next week","publisher":{"@type":"Organization","name":"archive.org","logo":{"@type":"ImageObject","width":"800","height":"600","url":"\/\/ia800802.us.archive.org\/27\/items\/CNNW_20240831_150000_The_Amanpour_Hour\/CNNW_20240831_150000_The_Amanpour_Hour.thumbs\/CNNW_20240831_150000_The_Amanpour_Hour_000001.jpg"}},"autauthor":{"@type":"Organization"},"author":{"sameAs":"archive.org","name":"archive.org"}}],"coverageEndTime":"20240901T12:35:10+00:00"}