>> the day maker, pets by public rec, more comfortable than genes, more stylish than sweats with the day makers, you can choose your waist and length sizes to guarantee a perfect fit. now, comfort looks good celebrate. go forth in america thursday, july 4. if 70s dirt on cnn this is gps, the global public square. welcome to all of you in the united states and around the world. i'm fareed zakaria coming to you live from new york today on the program the fallout continues from thursday nights, tough debate for the president he is the worst in history by far. i'll get insights on next moves for biden and the democratic party are get the global region action from the financial times is edouard louis then israeli prime minister netanyahu said last week that the intense phase he's of the war will soon in but key questions remain what comes after and what about signs of a new war with hezbollah in the north? >> i'll ask israel's former prime minister, ehud olmert and i've talked a rabbi, sharon browse about america you can jews sentiments towards israel, and a growing generational divide later in the show, i'll bring you my take a case for optimism despite all the worries people have these days. but first to the fallout from thursday's presidential debate, it was a moment for president biden, the calm concerns about his age and to present former president from a dangerous and divisive figure. instead, the nation saw a sitting president with a week, with a weak voice, often stumbling through answers and calls for him to drop out of the race. i want to bring in today's panel, david from is a staff writer at the atlantic, who was a speech writer for president george w bush, and edouard louis works for the financial times, where he is a columnist and us national editor gentlemen, thank you for joining me. i want to ask ed ai, let me start with you. it feels to me that the defense so far being presented by barak obama, that biden had a bad night sort of misses the point. the problem was that people were already worried as to whether or not he was competent to do the job by a bee that i think three months ago pointing out that in 2020, biden led trump by nine points on the question of the who is more competent to govern trump now leads by 16 points. so it's all this was going into the debate. there was a 25 point gap between who they thought was more competent in a cnn poll, right after the debate 57% of viewers said they had no confidence and biden's ability to lead compared to trump who was at 44 so the problem feels to me like putting the president out again in scripted staged events with teleprompter he's not going to solve the problem of what people saw on that debate night i don't think it's going to solve the problem at all. >> i mean, remember that biden on thursday night height was biden after several days of prep and rehearsing with aides at camp david, that was the result of really intensive preparation and there's obviously an embarrassingly bad performance he is going to have another debate if he remains a nominee and doesn't stand down in september which most probably will not be radically different to what we saw on thursday night. but by then it would be too late by then, there will be no opportunity no window to replace him, to have an open convention. the convention would have been gone. and if you look at the numbers since there's day, night, it's still a bit early to get the really bag response from the electorate. but if you look at the cbs news poll that came out this morning when those who thought biden had the cognitive ability to be president for another four years, went down from 35% to 27%, 27%, an almost half of democratic voters as don't think he's fit to be president for another term. these are numbers that suggest he's going to lose in november. and there is time to do something about it. so the circling of the wagons understand probably president obama spoke to people around biden realized biden is not going to stand down. and therefore, he's making the best of a bad job, but we know what people are saying. think in public is very different to what they think in private. and i say that with confidence because that's been the parallel universe. i've been living in, in washington. everybody says one thinking private. and then follows the scripted in public. and i think now that's just impossible to hold after thursday night. >> let me press you on that issue, which is do you know much about what is going on right now in the biden inner circle, there are reports that there is a family meeting taking place this is real, is it consequential what i believe they're all there most of the family, the children, the grandchildren, his sister's brother they're all there it camp david with him today and this is the key circle this is the inner cabinet, this is the moment for family intervention if that is what is going to happen, i think from watching the first lady and listening to her understandable desire to stoke up her husband's sort of bruised confidence after thursday night, judging by her four more years, you're the only person for the job that family intervention probably isn't going to happen when i think bombers post on x reflected that too, because i can't believe that wasn't the product of conversations. >> so i'm worried that this is going to get more and more intense and it's going to take weeks for biden to realize what is staring him in the face. and that will waste precious time in which candidates can put their names forward. he can release his delegates for an open convention that will choose a new ticket david from tell me what you think the path forward is before we i know you have you have concerns about trump and the way he performed. >> but first tell me, what do you think happens that might put pressure on biden. one of the things i wonder is there are going to be democrats who are running for governor for senate, for all kinds of, of positions who are going to worry that they're going to be affected by biden being at the top of the ticket because it will it is leaving the democrats disillusion. they might not turn out is that kind of pressure more likely to play some role here first, i have a little ptsd here because fuel, remember this. >> but in 2004, george w bush got clobbered in the first of two debates, which on carried he was hazy his performance for so bad that a democratic made a video where they took images from his 1994 debate when he ran for governor texas contrasted it with 2004 and suggests that george w bush wasn't grip of early onset dementia. he was 58-years-old at the time the president of the presidential brain is overloaded cognitive demands presidents get a little sharing. president's. got a little arrogant about their abilities. and that is why for serving presidents, reagan, obama tend to do badly in her first bates. well, that's not to make any excuse for what happened by there clearly is an issue there, but it also needs needs a context. i am extremely skeptical that the democratic party ribbon as it is along racial, sexual, ideological class, regional leinz can come together at a convention and have a rational discussion and produce the past hospital tick. what your money like the bloodbath were a century. this will be exactly 100 years from the famous democratic convention should have 1924, where they took more than 100 ballots to pick a candidate because they could not sort their differences between the pro prohibition, pro ku klux klan at prohibition, anticoag klux klan, northern delegates it toward themselves apart and coolidge won in a landslide, might 24, that may seem like ancient history. now kinda, it's a self-destructive party. it is a party. there's a coalition of many different elements. it's not republican coalition smaller, but cohesive, and it falls a lot. democratic coalition is big but it's very diffuse. this full mass addict and the idea that airing all 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america's most respected calmness including some starch allies of mr. biden. >> so what happens now, joining me are financial time series. edouard loose and they from who once was speechwriter for president george w bush david you raised the issue of bushes weak performance reagan's weak performance, and obama's weak performance in their first debate. but isn't this different in that what people are worried about here is that this confirms something they all suspected the president biden is indeed very frail, and that when placed in a situation 90 minutes without a teleprompter he he was at various points and coherent and that is not a bad night. that is pretentious about a bad four years going forward well, it is a different thing. >> he is older, of course. but it also is a reminder of how we'd like to focus on the wrong question. i'm looking if biden last slide had debated this week, had debated nikki haley, you would say just what you said and you say, you know, it's an morning of a bad four years. so even if i don't love nikki haley policies made and you could do the job a little bit better and that offsets but what we have here is a battle between the fireball gay and the arsonists. we are in this because the republican party is prowling around somebody tried to overthrow an electron thus, the constitution, who is proven fraudster, who has got half $1 billion with a claim comes against them for civil fraud and is a convicted criminal in new york state court with many more criminal trials to come. and one party has rally to this person there is a sense that the democrats have to now be responsible people rhona, id this up, but we are having this discussion not only secondarily all right, because of biden's royalties were having primarily because of prompts, criminality that's why biden's frailties are a problem for the country and not just for his part and i want to ask you about the debate with regard to the kind of things david was talking about because it even struck me that bite tries donald trump standards. it was really extraordinary how much he lied cnn has tabulated, i think 30 lives, but those are sort of the major allies. and what was striking to me was he was completely unconstrained in even pretending to do office gap to the truth, there was in the old days, i think they used to be a kind of a kernel sum when they're, that was true and was wildly exaggerated here. he said that he actually negotiated insulin prices down for seniors when in fact it entirely of product of decisions and legislation passed by president biden there were so many cases in which it was just an out and out ally is it does feel like it makes you wonder whether this format is one that one should exceed two in the first place i realized biden exceeded to it, but it does raise that question it does raise that question. and you are absolutely right and others have made that observation are bang on that. this was unhinged or well, in unending stream of lies from trump, even by, even by his standards. but the frustration was, i understand jake tapper, and dana bash, his decision not to fact-check in real time because otherwise, it would just be one long fact-check. but that was biden's job so this to me does bring us back to we have the biggest lie. we have what mitch mcconnell hello, calls a despicable human being up there on stage. and the president, president biden, is unable to fact check him effectively on almost anything that is an enormous mistake. but unity, you imagine what pete buttigieg would be doing in that situation. you imagine, i think what kamala harris to be doing in that situational gretchen whitmer or any number of potential other democratic how many could be sweating down most of those lies. the january 6 one, the one about immigrants, illegal immigrants are poisoning lifeblood. the one about trump, having the best economy i mean, i didn't choose that almost any sentence he added so i think there is that frustration. i have to go back though to the fact that this should have been found out months ago. the should have been a real primary here. there would have been debates if there'd been a real primary with real challenges to biden and we would have discovered biden's limitations so to speak, in those debates. and there would have been more time to address this. and i'd just the final point, everything david says is correct about the risks of i've been convention and a messy convention and i wouldn't from moment dispute david's grasp of that. i agree with them. i just think these are two very bad choices. we've got here for the democratic party the and the question is, is, which is worse and i think biden continuing in this vein, not one bad night. i think this would be most nights is the worst choice, but i appreciate i fully respect what david just said about the risks of chicago 68 or 1924 democratic convention. those are real david is it your contention that the nature of the democratic party is one where to lead to leave this to last a minute process would create a throw open all those fissures because i do think i mean, you're right that they're 24 and 68 are bad examples, but i mean, after all that was how presidential nominees were picked all the time until 1968. >> and there are many cases in which went well you know, the party that nominated franklin roosevelt four times so is it, you just don't think it's possible to imagine the party rallying behind somebody. it's too, it's too little time now why do you think it has to be? it has to spiral downward the way didn't 68 or 24 when harry truman was, when startling, when henry wallace was moved out of the vice presidential slot in 1944 at the democratic convention. >> harry truman was moved on. and all that followed the berlin airlift. marshall aid structures of peace and free craig, that decision was really made by somebody. you can say six and eight people were able to lock themselves in a room and keep all kinds of consideration that's not what will happen. this will turn into because the people want to over a pass by so biden also want to pass by kamala harris. they want to have a completely open debate, but put aside the first black woman vice president, and that is going to be a nightmare it's right about the process they didn't have to agree to this debate in the first place. i argued back in april, but the debate was a mistake, not because of any lack of confidence in joe biden, but because of the nature of goal of putting the president on the stage where joint media appearance with a convicted criminal. it's not something that makes sense. and there are a lot of ways democrats could fight that could have thought this contest. you're a lot is still a lot of ways. but what they're proposing now is an internal bloodbath ed forget about what you would like to see happen how likely do you think it is at this point that biden is? placed and to what extent are the fears of a bloodbath going to deter democrats i don't think it's fair of bloodbath that is to tearing down democrats. >> i think it's fair that biden will just be to stop and to change his mind and that therefore, you've got to make the best of a bad job and go with that because only biden can decide there's no committee of elders who can tap him on the shoulder and it looks like jill biden is not going to be that that person if she were that person i think what joe to say is look, joe you could go within the space of 15 minutes from being a national embarrassment to be very frank, right now. to being george washington of the 21st century, to being somebody who, for the greater good of the nation and to protect their own legacy, walked away and said, seven weeks is along as a long enough time to showcase what we're standing for. we say democracy is on the ballot, while here is democracy in action. we are going to choose amongst there'll be noisy, it'll be vicious. it'll be personal, but at the end it will produce a nominee and a running mate. and by liberte, the party will be united behind younger, more energetic, articulate people who can read back and crush trump as he deserved to, deserves to be crushed. i would say that would be a good argument and that's why i marginally come out against what david is very, very intelligently arguing i just think it's the less pad here of the two choices since what david is very, very intelligently arguing, i just think it's the less bad at here of the two choices and of course, the entire british election will take place in seven weeks. >> so it is at least theoretically possible for democracies to do this fascinating to talk about you, david from every loose pleasure. thank you. thanks next up, i was in aspen, colorado this week talking to a series of fascinating people who were gathered at the aspen institute. there. i'll bring you some of those two views over the course of the next few weeks. but coming up next former israeli prime minister ehud olmert, 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redefining insurance. dr. sanjay gupta reports the last alzheimer's patient next sunday at eight on cnn what would it take to achieve some semblance of peace in the middle east? >> the first step would be leadership on both sides of the conflict that were dedicated to and capable of achieving peace. my next guest is a former israeli prime minister, who was the last leader to get close to a two-state solution. and probably the last to meaningfully engage with the palestinian authority and welcome back to the program there was an article in the new york times by a series of very prominent israelis saying that the congress of the united states should this invite prime minister netanyahu from speaking to it, because this is not the time or place for him to do so. what do you think of that when a group of some of the most prominent israelis, the greatest fighters in the history of the state of israel. former prime minister barak was also chief of staff, the head of israeli intelligence to me, a pareto former israeli head of mossad. the guys that dedicated their lives to the security and the well-being of the state of israel if they think that this inviting netanyahu know, is in the interest of the state of israel he should be taken very seriously and i have to say that i subscribe wisdom i think that they did the right thing. the only possible outcome of netanyahu's speech. my joint session of congress will be two strings. his political status in the state of israel against what we all think is the real interest of the state of israel, which is now to stop the war, to pull out from gaza, of course, to bring back all the israeli hostages, and to be prepared to embark on a piece comprehensive peace process with the palestinians netanyahu is not inclined to do any of these therefore, any strengthening of netanyahu is in complete contradiction to the real interest or the middle east and the state of israel. and therefore, i entirely agree with guys that are as loyal to the national interest and security of the state of israel. is anyone? you say that bibi netanyahu will use this address to congress to strengthen his domestic position at all only purpose, what is his domestic situation? how fragile is just coalition if can you is in decline? he in all of the last years polls in israel, he is losing almost half of his political power and he's coalition is deteriorating. and the opposition is gaining force. what about the signs on both sides, but particularly on israel side? that the idf may be the nathanael government may be expanding the war in the north with hezbollah. do you think that that's a good idea i think it's a bad idea. >> look, either will be a comprehensive war, in the north it's likely that lebanon will disappear there will be a mess destruction we have the power to do it however it the same time if hizballah will use all the powers and the use of the powers in the event of a comprehensive war is when will suffer great pain greater than we ever suffered in the history of our confrontations with our country's in other words there is not an interest for israel in the resulted interest for hizballah to engage in a comprehensive war we can reach an agreement requires wisdom patients perseverance in restraint both sides don't possess much of it presently, so it's a problem. who would you like to see as the next leader of israel, the best person possible, the heightened law, his name yet what we want i'll tell you something that i truly believe in all my life. the time comes for a person to be in a little sit position the one thing which is expected perhaps more than anything, as is his ability to take a decision that may be incomplete contradiction to everything. there he was standing for and fighting for and defending for all his life. if this is the right thing at the right time for his nation, i look for someone in israel in the potential leadership position. they will have the courage to come up forward and to say, yes, i know it may not be completely popular at this time but what we need is a political plus1. we need to make peace with the palestinians. we can fight forever. we can occupy forever. but this will lead us nowhere, but we need to do is peace. now. and i'm prepared to fight for it. and to accomplish it. and i need the support of the people. i believe that with this kind of courage and leadership and vision isn't there is a chance to gain a majority who will do it? let's wait and see always a pleasure to talk to thank you very much next on gps what is an american rabbi to tell her flock as israel wages war in gaza? and anti-semitism rages in the united states. i'll talk to one of this country's most influential rabbis when we come back july 4 cnn concert event, which performance is by keith urban, shanty, maybe wrexham, the killers and many more go forth in america thursday, july 4 and 70 eastern on cnn dad is a legend and his legendary moves might be passed down to you dancing is just one 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about these issues, but you have also been very outspoken in having very progressive views as being in favor of an independent palestinian state and things like that. i'm wondering at a moment like this. do you worry about saying that kind of thing at a time when there is a rise in anti-semitism, a sharp rise in anti-semitism. how do you think about that? you worry that you're feeding the fires of something that you really don't want to be feeding. >> well our values are safeguard. all we have is our core values and my central to my theology and my worldview is the idea that every human being is created in god's own image and deserves to live in dignity with justice and with freedom and in peace. and that doesn't change when things heat up in the outside world. and so i think that part of what we're called to do in difficult moments like this is really get back in touch with what those core values are. we may have to speak are messages in more tender voices in times of real conflict? licht, because people are so broken hearted and full of anguish that it's i think it's harder for people to hear certain messages in this time, but the message itself does not fundamentally change told me what you think of this this shocking rise of antisemitism it's terrifying. it's real there's a lot of gaslighting going on right now. that's sort of suggests that jews are making up, that there's antisemitism on the rise, but it's very clear and it's really pervasive. and it's increasingly violent. and i think that that's part of a growing national trend toward political violence. instead, i'm deeply concerned about as someone who cares a lot about democracy but it's also happening not just here in the united states, but globally, we see that it's happening. i mean, look, what's happening with the elections in france increasingly around the world now we're hearing from jewish communities that say we don't feel safe here anymore we don't feel that out that our neighbors and surrounding communities necessarily take our concerns seriously and that's terrifying for jews, but it's also very dangerous for any minority community we know that where antisemitism goes, all forms of racism and bigotry and hatred follow. it's also terrifying for democracy. it's very dangerous for democracy. >> what do you say to somebody who will say to you? for you to be saying all these things critical of the netanyahu government in favor of a palestinian state at a moment of rising antisemitism is a huge mistake. i think can you, how can you how can you make those two things compatible? >> it's exactly the opposite the state of israel was established and in 1948 to be a refuge for jews who, who had just suffered a genocide in europe, jews who were survivors of violence from around the world, including the middle east and north africa over the next several years would make their way into this country as a refuge and safe haven and a place for jewish values to be made manifest in the public square for hebrew literature to thrive for community that for 2000 and years had lived in exile to actually have a home where we could be safe and sovereign again, that vision is a very powerful and profound vision. it is a national liberation vision that in no way precludes the national aspirations of the palestinian people. their need for dignity, their need for justice these two visions are not incompatible and it's precisely because of my love and connection for my jewish family, including some in the state of israel that i really can identify with the yearning for home, with the anguish that many palestinians express with the sense that no one in the world cares about our fate. and it's up to us to take our destiny into our own hands. i really understand that, and i think the idea of this false binary, you're either pro israel or pro-palestine is doing so much damage to our national discourse and global discourse. >> do you see in your in your congregation and in your in your world, this generational divide that the polling seems to pick up, that younger jews are much less supportive. i mean, i think the way peter by not puts it is there is now a tension between the liberal less them and they zionism. they're often choosing their liberalism i don't love that formulation, but i absolutely see this and i think there's a very smart analysis that as your client offered to help us understand what's happening generationally, where my parents generations saw israel as the david in a sea of very powerful surrounding nations really struggling to survive because there was no other home for the for the jews who came from dp camps in europe and who fled the pogroms in the middle east, they saw 1948, 97, 1973, that's right. >> and then there's my generation whose formative time in which i grew to understand israel was really in the 19, that was the first time i spent time there. >> the oslo years in which israel was now a powerful nation, but a nation striving for peace and then there's my children's generation and they're going up in a time in which israel is a powerful nation that is not, does not appear to be striving for peace, but instead has successive administrations that are actually entrenching in the sediments enterprise, which is antithetical to any future peace plan essentially trying to make a two-state solution impossible. i think that's why not universally, but that's why a lot of young jews look at the situation and say, how can i attach to a narrative of power that doesn't make space for the dignity of others i think what we actually have to do is bring a really deeply rooted understanding of who we are and who we're called to be rabaa, pleasure to have you. thank you so much for having me next on gps my take on the case for optimism. yes even now when we come back the final episode of violent earth, they're deadly by lynch and unleash massive structure hurricane impacts our work celine, is it too late to undo decades of climate 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