with manu raju starts right now. thank you digging in. >> when you get knocked down, you get back out president faces calls to drop out. i know i'm not a young man his democrats, he's tough questions. if you think there should be a new candidate while trump masks in the fall lot did anybody last night watch a thing called the debate in repeats falsehoods to pollsters help us break down the aftermath plus supreme suspense of major decision looms you have to have a guaranteed immunity for president. otherwise have president is not going to they able to function while each trump ally reddy's for prison inside politics. best reporting from inside the corridors of power starts now good morning. >> welcome to inside politics sunday, i'm manu raju, president joe biden and his team spent the weekend in a full-blown efforts to contain the damage to his candidacy from thursday's cnn debate, performance. many in his own party called disastrous as they fear could lead to a donald trump victory in november. but despite the growing calls for the 81-year-old incumbent to drop out of the race to give the parties some time to find a new candidate, had a democratic convention in august. biden and his team signaled he was not going anywhere. as they aggressively tried to tamp down the push for a replacement this morning, the present is with his family at camp david, and yesterday he told big donors in new jersey, quote, it wasn't my best debate. i understand the concern. i get it, but i'm going to be fighting harder. and in the hamptons, he also said at a fundraiser, quote voters had a different reaction to the debate. and quote, i didn't have a great debate and great night, but either did trump. now, democrats are assessing the fallout, even as the drumbeat for biden dropout is getting louder, including from editorial board's the new york times, the atlanta journal constitution, chicago tribune, and big name commentators like maureen dowd, tom friedman, and david redneck. but so far publicly elected democrats are still standing by him the best candidate for you guys. >> i think so. >> i think dumbo is weighted 90 minutes. can barely answer some questions. well, he started off very slowly, but he picked up this pace joe biden beat donald trump before, and joe biden can beat donald trump again there's no possibility of removing him. now why we move forward, he's are nominee. i support president. you don't think you'd be better off for with a better candidate? absolutely not. i'm terrified, but the fact that this man can lie for 90 minutes and show that he does not have a moral compass at all. >> that is what is terrifying me this morning, but that's all i have to say. >> in carson balance at the end there i was speaking about former president trump. now, a lot to break down this morning with my grade panel. cnn's jeff zeleny, leah, and caldwell, the washington post, bowls also with a post and npr's michel martin. good morning to you all voted morning. it has been a weekend for the precedence to say the least now, we know the president is with his family at camp david, and we know this drumbeat of public pressure is growing from the outside. geoff, you talked to the biden campaign pretty regularly. is this having any impact on the present these calls for him to drop out from the likes of big name column is from the new york times editorial board is that affecting his calculus at all in any way? well, this morning sunday, you said he's meeting with his family at camp david. >> that is a pre-planned meeting. they're actually doing a photo shoot this afternoon. we're told with any liebowitz, so it's not an emergency family meeting, but of course this will come up. how could it not? but based on all of our reporting, all of our conversation patients over the weekend, we do not know how it's affecting the president's mindset obviously, this is not helpful, but in terms of what he's planning to do, he is all in and that does not appear to have changed, but the waves of panic that we're really still are coursing through the party. have now given way to a couple of questions. and democratic pollsters are working this weekend for the campaign to try and find them out. a, is he going to be a drag on the ticket in house races, in senate races, b is our his troubles going to expand the battleground map is donald trump suddenly in a more of a strong position in a state like minnesota or virginia, could those be battlegrounds? but the biggest question of all, if not him at the top of the ticket, then who yeah, one top democrat told me yesterday a true succession plan does not exist that's what makes all of this not just heartbreaking, but very problematic. and that was it succinctly. absolutely. again, what about this? the postdoc yesterday, just about trying to how they wouldn't you compare this to back what happened after lyndon johnson stepped down and then they scrambled. what happened there. the republicans and of winning the white house. but what's interesting is that as this is how the biden campaign is messaging that talk about a replacement write down as they try to tamp down all the talk that perhaps someone could step in. this is an email that went out to some porters last night, robert flaherty, the biden deputy campaign manager, said, joe biden is going to be the democratic nominee period, end of story. if you were to drop out, it would lead to weeks of chaos internal food by adding in a bunch i'm tim candidates who limp into a brutal floor fight at the convention. >> that's exactly the message that they're trying to drive home publicly and privately but in addition to that public effort that they're doing they have been doing an enormous amount of outreach and hand-holding. and if you will, temperature taking among people who might be potential successors. if the democrats decide they want to do it. the reality is the process would be very, very difficult. i mean, i think if he were to voluntarily step aside, my guess is that he would say vice president harris should be the nominee then the question is, do others go after that? do others try to take her down? there right in the sense that this would be a very messy situation. and i think that the other reality is that all of the people who we've talked about as potentials and mostly it's some prominent governors, governor newsom or governor whitmer or governor pritzker or shapiro these are not people who are well-known nationally. they've not been vetted nationally, they're not prepared to suddenly run a big presidential campaigns. so there would be enormous risks beyond the whole obstacles of the process. is there would be enormous risks of swapping him out. but the other thing that i've picked up in the last 36 hours is while people recognize the campaign's argument, there is a tremendous amount of anger about the situation that the party is now a lot because biden decided to run at this age you mentioned about the fact that there are these other candidates who could run in, who quran, but they're not well known. and that is something that the biden campaign is actually trying to hammer home. and it pretty extraordinary email that same message that went out to supporters last night. they talked about the democratic bench. the other people could potentially replace him. they shared some democratic polling data showing that people even the vice president of the united states, they contend would not do better than joe biden. is that a ria, is that the reality of the situation? one of the things that's really struck me about this campaign all along is how they're really two campaigns. or there should be, i mean, there's the campaign to people who pay attention. there's the campaign directed that the people who don't we're all aware of the people who pay close attention. i mean, we know that the polling shows there's an enthusiasm gap that trump's supporters are really behind him and biden supporters are sort of behind him. but what's really shocking to me when you go out on the trail and you talk to people is how many people don't really see a difference. they really don't they say things like, well, i mean, i'm talking to say a muslim person who i know very well who said, oh, it's a difference between a person who wants to kill us and a person who will lead us die. and speaking about gaza with african-americans. so like what's the difference? he didn't really fight for us in certain key issues. and i just think that it's i think that we're instead of having trouble sort of locking in on how many people really, it's not that they haven't locked in yet, is that they really don't see the difference two old white guys who don't really represent them, we see this particularly with younger voters, younger voters who say they're not excited about either one. i just think that this campaign has to figure out how to deal with both of those campaigns that the insiders who were really upset and angry and panic and this big population of people who don't, who aren't into him at all. this is a good point because the apathy, in some ways has to be a bigger concern for the biden team because the trump base is energized because they're behind him. the democratic base is not voter apathy as michelle was talking about, is a real issue. it's absolutely an issue that's been an issue this entire campaign even before thursday night's debate. and it's not just voter apathy that they have to be worried about, but it's also a third party candidates that they have to be worried about in some states to rfk is still trying to get on some ballots, but the biden campaign has of late been more worried about jill jill stein lately because she is on more state. it's not just voter apathy, it's now people who are now seriously perhaps looking at a third-party candidate more seriously than they were before the third before thursday's debate obviously, we saw biden over the weekend. >> we see if he was behind closed doors talking to donors, trying to those are the people that do matter a lot. will they keep giving him money? this is a real urgent moment for biden, not just for the own party, but ensuring that he doesn't fall further behind on money as we've seen, the biden campaign has been behind him recently as trump has surged in money in terms of cash on hand in the aftermath of his conviction, trump, using that to rally his base and his donor base but behind closed doors, there's an interesting tweet from one former the trump aide and three square munshi, who is talking to who was at this long island fundraiser. he said president biden needs to appear unscripted settings and handle fair but tough questioning. further demonstrations of his ability to read from a teleprompter will not assuage my concerns. scaramucci reports, biden now, he was at that fundraiser. you heard by the biden is trying to show that he this is a problem with the debate. i get it, but i can do this. i can handle it, but what scaramucci saying here is that you can do it in an unscripted setting. and we have not seen that from the president. yeah, we certainly haven't. and i, mean the, question of all of this is it's really takes it back to this conversation, back several months, the biden campaign, i think the president himself largely had cleared the hurdle from the state of the union onward. they can i guess maybe he can do this. he gave a long speech then some back-and-forth. it was not unscripted. i mean, it was scripted, but he's had a few scripted moments, but the reality is the biden we saw thursday night is largely closer to the biden. we see every day at the white house so that is the challenge that they have something else. and this is again, all this criticism is coming from people who generally like president biden, from the inside, but someone pulled me when they made the decision to run in november 2022 in nantucket that weekend, the bidens got together after the midterm. he's diminished considerably since then his or his age since then, and perhaps even since the state of the union so that the big unknown here and the risk, i mean, basically going in one direction. so it's it's hard breaking in the words of a biden adviser but he said he deserves our respect and space to reach a decision, but that's the bottom line. there. you biden and president biden, the only to people who could make do we think that jill biden is? kinda percent with this game at this moment in continuing on, there's no evidence to the contrary. i mean, everything that she has done since the debate, i think reinforces the idea that the ci and he believed that they're going, they're going forward they are not going to get pushed out of this. they're not going to listen to people who say they should that he should step down. she's totally behind him. i think she always has been, but i think he two is dugin. or the idea that he's still best able to carry this campaign forward. yeah. but the debate was a huge gamble, right? he wanted an early debate because they wanted to change the trajectory of the campaign. and i think the campaign believed that had he performed the way they hoped he would, they might be able to break this campaign open, not wide open. we know this is going to be a close election, but move it in his direction. in a demonstrable way instead, they've, they've dug that hole deeper and they now got to come out of that and try to move forward where we shall see we're going to assess that. of course, in the days i hadn't today as well. all right. coming up, some democrats are running from questions about biden quite literally willie drag them down in november. >> he can win assignments are going on and the tornado here i'm thinking, i'm going to die and i thought that was it. >> violent earth with liev schreiber tonight at nine on cnn. >> my name is karen and i'm from brooklyn. i worked for the city of new york as a police administrator. i oversaw see 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democratic party with members plainly worried that president biden may sink their chances and holding onto power in the senate and could give the gop another two years in control of the house with a downtick map or democrats already faced an uphill battle to hold onto the senate and house could come down to about 20 or so toss-up races a message from a lot of democrats is this. >> worry about your own fate in don't tie it to biden's there's biden is the president as your nominee. his make it harder because it make it harder to keep the house for congress, you don't hold i am in my district based on me. i'm out there worked my district. i have delivered my district for other candidates to so one night does not it wasn't garcia to house. what night is not going to cost his the house highly and you're talking a bit talking to a number of house democrats. >> they've had some reaction when they're not on camera, their actions that little blunders shall we say you have some choice quotes here. a lot to get through? fml. i don't need to spell that out. then there's the reaction from home one told you for everyone has been loud and unanimous. now, we go home and hear it in person on july 4th, can't imagine he lasts. i mean, the real fear is that he's going to sink. the party. and yeah, if there are concerns that he can break address the ticket that's on the calls for them to drop out. we'll intensified absolutely. >> and we also have to watch polling to those could really intensify calls for him to drop out too. but there's multiple concerns here these democrats obviously do not want donald trump to be the nominee. they think he's next existential threat to our democracy but they're worried about their own races as well. i had heard from after the debate thursday night still into friday that there could be a group of democrats that would actually come forward and publicly and call for biden to drop out. i'm not sure where that stands now with as the biden campaign has been working adamantly to keep people on their side, but these democrats that's our absolutely worried. they, before this debate, they were already thinking that they were going to be the ones who are going to lift biden at the top of the ticket, usually the top of the ticket helps down ballot democrats had been believing that they were going to help biden at the top of the ticket. and so now they are absolutely nervous about their own races and maintaining control of congress. >> i think that's still could be true. i mean, you look at maryland, obviously maryland is a very sort of democratic state, but if maryland had an electoral college, electoral college for governor, they'd never have a democratic governor because because the outer counties, the more rural counties are very republican oriented. so quiet as it's kept, no. okay. in the democratic primary, you have a self-funded white guy candidate, david trone, whose argument was, i may not be who you want, but i am who you need, right? let it was sort of a biden argument. i who you need to beat the republican didn't win african american woman one. now, she's 11 points up over the republican who was a very popular republican governor, very dependent. larry hogan, he's a person who even donald trump, doors to me said, i don't want it has a great reputation in the state, but she's still 11 points up. why? because her argument was i may if you don't ask for who you want, you'll never get who you want and who you want and that argument is prevailing. so i really do think it depends on where you are. the strength of the candidate on his own or her own, and whether there's enthusiasm for that candidate. i think that theory is still prevails. >> the theory that a lot of the democrats in these swing districts hope will prevail come november 1 of them is from new jersey. mikey shall i asked her about her confidence at the top of her ticket tube, competence and joe biden, is it party's nominee after last night? >> yeah i think it was a rough night, but i think what really stood out to me was the fact that trump denied three times that he would accept the results of a democratic collection that he's proud of overturning roe and that he is proud of insurrectionist. i think that's a man who will not stand up for democracy again, jeffries, a democratic leader, went on to tell reporters on friday, said, we're gonna do everything that we need to do as house democrats to win, don't want house democrats really the overall issue here is that they're trying to separate themselves out from the top of the ticket is that effective? >> can they do that in this election? cycle? it's gonna be, it's gonna be very, very difficult, but yes, to some extent they can and they can they can do it in subtle ways. they can do it with where money is spent you know, how the democratic national committee ultimately does things, what the senate committee in the house committee do there are ways to do it, but i mean, the first the first rule for somebody like cooking jeffries is protect your own people, not the president but as lee answers the question is, how bad will it look in an few weeks everybody is going to be watching those polls. maybe they won't move that much but if they move a little bit then you're going to get another round it, but then you're that much closer to the convention and that much more chaos that would happen if you tried to make a change at the top before you jump in, jeff, just to the point that these guys are making about the lesson, the ticket trying to bring up, try a bite at the top of the ticket so get ohio and pennsylvania and wisconsin, the senate democratic candidates, or according to some polls, up small number, i didn't down those numbers. can democratic candidates lived up biden come november, but certainly is possible. in a state like wisconsin. tammy baldwin obviously is her own brain and there she's been very well-known and wisconsin good constituents, service. i have my ion minnesota. what does this do to minnesota? we kind of think of as the reddest blue state, if you will and in 2016, trump narrowly lost to hillary clinton. it was a bit wider in 2020, but amy klobuchar on the ballot in minnesota, could she? help lift biden up a perhaps, but i think that that does not get at i mean, if we are their by the fall than the biden campaign has some serious issues, but a bigger thing is i'm not sure that voters i mean, there's michelle was saying earlier they sort of see them the same. i hear that all the time as well. and our people as afraid of a second trump term as as the biden campaign would like them to be. i'm not sure about that. i hear that from voters all time always survived one. there's not much difference. let's move on. so the problem for the biden campaign is keeping enthusiasm all the people, not just not even go to third party, maybe they just won't vote. so there are many, many deep questions here. but again, president biden is at the center of it all regardless of the new york times and other papers which she has respected over the years. this is a decision he estimate and again, no evidence as we sit here today on sunday, that he's anywhere near changing. i want you to just watch see how biden has changed. suddenly say, over the years since the 2012 debate the 2020 debate, and 2024 debate, and what they hope voters will look past been done before it's precisely we're proposing, it has never been done before. it's been done a couple of times. i never jack kennedy lowered tax rates, increase growth, ronald reagan out your jack kennedy, between 750000 people, they're dying when he was presented with that number he said is what it is is what it is because you are who you are that's why it is what i've been able to do with the covid excuse me, with dealing with every day we have to do with what if we finally beat medicare could then get voters to look past them. well i don't give them advice, but my thinking is, are people paying attention to that? i mean, the people like us who this is our job, we pay attention to that. i'm not convinced that the people who are the least interested, the least interested in this kind of thing, are paying attention to that. i think what they're paying attention to is my life better. right and that to me is the question that's on the table is my life better? not how he performs on television at 9:00 at night? yeah. >> mano, i think that's that's an important message that the trump campaign is going to push their they're not going to make this campaign about biden's age. they want to make it about immigration and inflation and some of the things that trump said in that debate beyond the lives that he told consistently, which is that your life was better under me than it is under joe biden? yeah. and the question since can biden made the case that it wasn't obviously struggled to do that on thursday. all right. next, we know what elected official. thank what about 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had changed their minds. so martin do your democratic pollster, what concerns, what are you, because if you're looking at polling that's going to be coming in. what are you gonna be most concerned about as you examine these numbers and how they may move. yeah, it's good to clarify that we should be looking differently and considering differently people who watched the debate live, people who watched coverage after the fact, views on who won that debate are very different from views on how your own vote may change. >> and the fact that even a poll of debate watchers, which if i'm not mistaken that paul was a little bit more republican just by the nature of who was watching the debate that was methological note about that poll most of those voters said it wasn't changing their mind, and that wasn't even actually pressing them on the vote is just would you consider somebody else? so all the polls that i've seen, it's sunday, the debate was thursday. there haven't been a lot of polls since then. they are online polls done on friday. so those are folks two are just getting caught up to how they feel and consuming the coverage. and we're going to see how this changes. it may have an effect, it may not have an effect. i watched the debate differently than i think most people did. and then i was in focus groups on a different topic altogether on debate night, i watched a day of coverage, then watch the live focus groups that all the different networks did. and then i watched the debate. i don't think anybody is not aware. but when i want you to maybe brent, when i watched those focus groups, people of people who are watching it live without the coverage they answered it a little bit differently. the light they dialed up on biden or they said, i like my biden instead about this, i felt trump, dodge that question, so i don't know what we're going to see in the next week or so, but we should think about these different pieces differently. yeah. so how do you said? well, if you look at the cnn poll specifically, there was a voter segment that really stuck out and it was ticked off diverse young working class voters and that's the exact same segment that we identified back in april as being key to this election. but as marjorie was saying, that that segment actually doesn't tune into a whole lot of what's being said anyways. and they're not watching the debate they're watching what's said about the debate afterwards i want you both to weigh in on what the biden campaign had said there's first first they we will talk about how you see it on your screen here. >> this is what jen o'malley dillon, the biden campaign. chair said about all the seats. it if she said if we do see changes in polling in the coming weeks, it will not be the first time that overblown media narratives have driven temporary dips in the polls, they went on to say, media coverage of obama's first debate, performance. we're driven by a temporary drop in polling. they said is because democrats, fewer democrats were answering their phone calls the aftermath of that, is that you buy that argument i think this hurts biden some on the dip and i don't think it adds a whole lot to trump's ballot share, but we have to realize is we're in a hyper-partisan environment still. >> and so there's a floor for both of these candidates because one's a d and ones in our speaking of the debate the 2020 debate 2016, 2012, 22,008, about four points were gained by the other side. the person who would perceive to be the winner, i should say in 2008. but do you agree with the biden campaign that there may be a surge for trump, but it's because your democrats are responsible i don't know. i think that's too early to bc. i think we should not think of democratic respondents to polls the same way as we think of folks that you're talking about who we're answering questions about the debate. but i i do think that people want to make their voice heard and making sure we have respondents who are not just the folks who like to take surveys, but the folks who don't like to take surveys, that's another difference between the immediate flash polls and those that are going be in the field over the next week or so, is that you do a lot of callbacks. any pollster worth their salt doing it, not a flash poll, but one that's a little bit longer. we'll call people who are reluctant to answer the phone multiple times. and look at the people who break off in the middle of the survey that people will say, oh wait, i don't want to be part of this and drop-off. how are they different looking at how those people are different by age or region, or something else. and that's how you get a picture of response rate and whether that's that's happening because it's not just about the overall vote share. we're looking at both turnout and persuasion, getting your basic cited and also persuading the folks who are double haters or republicans who are on favorable toward trump. we talked about this last week, double haters want shrunk to not run. so i think there's a lot that people need to sift through and it's going to take a little bit while to figure that was a huge issue in this campaign. and obviously that was very clear on thursday. this is just a new york times poll before the debate, about 75% of independent voters. but that biden was too old to be an effective president, just 45% of independent voters for trump. the question i guess i have for you is that even though we've seen biden age and it clearly an issue on thursday, how much of that is already baked in among the electorate that it may not have as big of an impact as we made think nobody woke up on thursday morning before the debate or friday morning after and said, i didn't realize biden was old this is not news, just there might be a feel nothing trump was going to say in that debate that folks said, oh, i didn't know he was ever going to say something like that. none of this is new information. and so i think what it actually does is it makes people more hyper aware of his actions as an older president, not the fact that he's old. yeah. >> well, and trump's not really reaching out to any democrats at all so that's another thing that's important here, and that's why you see trump's simply has no crossover support. iran democrats. all right, we still see there'll be a lot of bowling gumming up and we'll dissect it. >> i suspect it will be back breaking it all doubt as well. all right. coming up, the supreme court expected to deliver a major ruling tomorrow that could have massive implications for former president trump and the november elections to legal experts i mean, that what the biggest companies the liver is an exceptional customer experience. what makes it possible is unmatched connectivity and biji solution from t-mobile for business t-mobile connects 100,000 delta airlines employees, powers tractor supplies, stores nationwide with reliable by jeep. is this internet and partners with pga of 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prosecutor, at elise adams, them. thank you guys for joining me thanks. all right. so obviously, huge week that we will have major ramifications for years to come tomorrow. the immunity decision is coming thank down. how do we you've been looking at read the tea leaves. you heard the oral arguments what are you expecting? there's a broad consensus on the supreme court. i think descendant back to the trial court to figure out the distinction between what is a private act of the president and what is an official act of the presidency? they seem to think there was a little bit of gray area between the two and even if there isn't, it's not up to them to decide that's their view. they could have, but they seem to be choosing not to. and so i think they sent it back to the trial court to sort that out. and once they what are the implications of that happens? >> yeah, the implications is that this there's no way this trial is going to happen before the election, right? because to answer those questions, they're going to have to have evidentiary hearings, which is going to take an extremely long time. then after those hearings, it was findings or maybe they may move to appeal again. and so it is very unlikely that this case will ever see a jury anytime soon. >> so they want to uphold a lower court's decision and allow the case to go forward. that just seems highly, highly highly unlikely given what we heard an oral argument. i don't know what eliot thinks about that to be clear, they could have, they could resolve this back in december the first time it came their way. they could have resolved it relatively quickly after oral arguments back in late april. and they can make a decision saying that we believe that presidents aren't aren't immune from prosecution or these are the circumstances under which we believe presidents are immune from prosecution based on the questioning of i think probably six of the nine, if not more, they seem to be flirting with the idea that this is really up to the trial judge to figure out. and as that potentially could get delayed the case involving january 6 and efforts to overturn the election. what about the other federal case that dealing with allegedly about how donald trump allegedly mishandled classified documents and the like, everything that happened in mar-a-lago, the judge in that case has gotten enormous amount of scrutiny over just simply allowing a number of these hearings to move forward and really don't lane, according to critics, moving forward with this trial, sheep put out a sheet, defended herself on thursday, saying there's a difference between a resource-wasting and delay-producing mini-trial. on the one hand, and an evidentiary hearing geared to adjudicating the contested factual and legal issues on a given pretrial motion to suppress that as judge aileen cannon down in florida about this mar-a-lago case? is there any validity to the criticism that she is delaying this case in some ways, people say to help trump, is that a valid criticism? i actually think it is. i mean, what what she just said is true. i think there are times where you need to have evidentiary hearings and factual issues, but you don't need to have evidentiary hearing it's on every single motion that has been filed, and that seems to be what's happening and what i find extraordinary items see it when i was practicing as a prosecutor, i don't see it now that i'm practicing as a defense attorney, it's just not done a lot of these issues could easily have been sought, have been resolved on the papers, and she has declined to do so. so what the critics cism is well, this is undue delay. i think there is validity there because why aren't we ruling on the papers when we're faced with well-settled legal precedent. yeah. what does the argument for her to allow for all these hearings to move forward? is there a valid one? no. well, let's put it this way. a quirk of our system is that you're stuck with the judge. you get barring extreme circumstances. the judge would have to be ruling in such an agreed just manners. so outside of the law that even appeals courts didn't, couldn't deal with that person. and judges serve for life and somebody is yet ones that favor the prosecution. sometimes you get ones that favor of the defense in some is you get ones that the favor of the defendant that's in the courtroom and i think you have some of that here. so is there a basis i agree with many of her rulings? of course not. but at the end of the day, that's just the consequences system and that's we give these folks tenure for life and you take the ones you get and sometimes the prosecutor, you just lose things. what got to donald trump's favor? yeah, because he says two-tier system does is he's actually use justice system to his advantage on so many issues, including getting a favorable judge here in florida. meantime, steve bannon, the former trump adviser, current trump, very trump ally ies, it's supposed to report to prison tomorrow. he of course, was convicted after defying a congressional subpoena with contempt of congress charges. the house speaker advocated on his behalf, actually intervened to try to prevent him from going to jail that house republicans did i asked jim jordan, who is the house judiciary committee chairman about whether they were doing this to essentially help one of their allies i was wondering for people stood up at the time on the floor and defendants, steve bannon and said this is wrong, what they were doing so i'm probably doing this because he's a trump ally. >> no, no, because it's wrong. >> it's ridiculous is there any justification for house republicans intervening like this? >> no i say that because steve bannon has been treated very fairly and he has been in a perfect example of when the criminal justice system works, right he was referred for prosecution can he was indicted. he was then tried by an impartial jury. he then appealed that conviction and his sentence was stayed meeting. he didn't have to go to jail immediately. like most defendants because the trial court found that there was likely the likely a legal precedent would be overturned on appeal. that is fair. that was the trial judge who said, you can stay out while we while we tell the appeals court, take a look at this, fair fair. >> very quickly. fair punishment for steve bannon. oh, absolutely. fair to punish and for steve bannon he defined a subpoena went through the process. he's done. all right. thank you, guys for that. up next ahead of 4 july, aware moment of bipartisanship on capitol hill remembering those who made the ultimate sacrifice look, we're not democrats, republicans will come since we're americans dr. sanjay gupta report, the last alzheimer's patient next sunday at eight once just what relax. >> you booked a verbal well done viv he got the presence, the balloons, and the raptor cake now how about something to put a smile on your face aspen dental provides 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