small number will turn out bowman has tried to apologize and apologize for some of the things he said, but for many voters were talking to is just not enough. >> that was incredible. a lot of passion of that voter. there. thanks, miguel, and thanks to all of you. ac30 60 starts now tonight on 360 would just three days to go until cnn's first the campaign presidential debate. there's breaking news and what the people helping president biden prepare are telling him surprisingly, not to talk about. we'll talk about that and much more with house speaker emerita nancy pelosi, who joins us exclusively tonight. also as new video emergence of a severely wounded hersh goldberg-polin subduction by hamas terrorists is parents talk about his faith and all the others have been held hostage for 206 let's do two days. good evening. thanks for joining us. we begin tonight with breaking news, new reporting. the president biden is being steered away from the message. many expected him to lean on heavily in thursday's cnn debate and toward something more confrontational, seen as kayla tausche has the story joins us now from the white house. what are you learning? >> anderson, we're learning that several prominent democrats have been urging president biden to take a different tack on the economy on thursday's debate stage arguing that his traditional inclination to lean on his record of accomplishments, the 15 million jobs that were created in the economy that's resisted a recession simply are not landing with voters who continue to be frustrated about the cost of living and have given biden an approval rating on the economy that continues to lag that of trump in private conversations with members of the white house and the biden campaign. four sources telling me that they have made this argument directly to biden's team saying that the president needs to go after donald trump for cozying up to corporate america and draw that stark contrast between what his future economic plan would look like and what trump's plan would look like up president biden, when asked by erin burnett last month whether the economy had time to turn around, he was defensive and he said, it's already turned around pointing to some of those data points that i just listed about polling potentially being wrong. and americans simply not getting it. so certainly there is some frustration on biden's behalf that he's not getting credit where it's due, but he's going to have to strike a balance on the debate stage on thursday of trying to prove that progress has taken place while still acknowledging that many voters don't feel it. >> would this be a strain, a change in strategy just for the debate or four the campaign going forward, it's been communicated as a change that needs to happen in the eyes of these sources who are in touch with the white house and the campaign over the home stretch of the race, which many see as kicking into high gear with thursday's debate they argue that the president has not shifted his messaging fast enough. he's continued to lean too heavily on his record, which clearly voters according to his poll numbers are not agreeing width. now, i reached out to the biden campaign payne, who pointed to a new ad that's running in battleground states in both english and spanish for the president speaks directly to them and he says that he understands their struggled to make ends meet. and if things are not the way that they should be, he is also expected to talk a little bit more about this. the challenges that many americans face. and he's begun talking hey, more about the work that still needs to be done, of course is slogan is finishing the job. so we've seen a slower shift over the last few months in that messaging and anderson, but top allies of the white house say it needs to be done faster and sharper. >> all alright, kayla tausche, thanks so much for his board, the former president, his supporters have begun taking the traditional pre-debate step of lowering expectations and praising his opponent in, but it's a tradition. he can't seem to stick to on thursday, for example, he's adjusted the president biden be a quote, worthy debater. by saturday, he was back to completely making stuff up so a little before debate time, he gets a shot the and that's they wanted to strengthen them up so he comes out, he'll come out. >> okay. i say he'll come out all jacked up. right. all jacked the new york times senior political correspondent, best-selling trump biographer maggie haberman joins me now. >> i mean, obviously he has no shame and he makes stuff up, but it's very inconsistent. i mean, it's one moment, it's a worthy debater and then it's he's going to be doing massive amounts of cocaine. >> yeah. it's a microcosm of the donald trump and his team that we have seen over nine years now, which is his team wants him to do one thing. he does something else and sometimes can stick to the script, but then he goes off of it, which is why predictions of how he is going to actually be in this debate are probably not worth very much. we know that he has been preparing for this debate in the way he does with sort of policy sessions as opposed to classic behind the podium matches. but whether he is going to absorb what he's learning there and whether he is going to come in interrupting president biden less than he did in 2020. and their first debate it is an open question because he does what he wants to do. >> i want i just want to play something else. you said at the rally over the weekend how should i handle him? >> should i be tough and nasty? >> or should i be should i be she said, should i be tough for nasty and just say you're the worst president in history or should i be nice and calm? and let him speak i mean, do you think does he sort of change in the moment just riffing how he feels in the moment, or is it something he thinks of as he's going to bet that night and just thinks in his head doesn't tell anybody like some some i think sometimes he plays around with these things on his own. >> i think sometimes as you see, he pulled tests it because he thinks it's going to please whatever crowd he's in front of, whatever's on his mind is often what he does with these crowds. and it could be anything, it could be, you know, he's been pulled testing everyone about vp at various fundraisers and this is along the same lines. i was thinking though as he was saying that i think he will be both. i think he will likely interrupt less because i think that's the lesson main less neto it from the last debate or their first debate in 2020. and i think he will be very mean toward biden. i will be very surprised if he is anything other than that. >> i want to bring in senior political commentators, republican strategist, i should michael singleton, also former biden wine hosts communications director kate bedingfield. first of all, what do you make of this new reporting for kayla tausche in your view, should president biden go on the attack rather than lean on his accomplishment? yeah. look, i think his primary task in this debate is to show people what the choices and that is he's gotta do that by driving aggressively at trump, going at contrast, taking the conversation to the places where trump is most vulnerable. we know that's abortion. we know that's january 6, and democracy. so i think he absolutely needs to be aggressive. i am not of the mindset that that means he can't speak about his record in the debate mean part of what he's trying to do is show people that he's done a good job in the first four years and he deserves four more. and so he can absolutely talk about the things he's done to get our economy to a better place than many thought it would be four years ago. but he's got to do it in a contrast frame. he's gotta do it by saying donald trump's vision for the next four years would make things more expensive for you and he's really got to make sure that he's never just it's talking about hizon accomplishment. but driving it to a choice, but that's really what he's trying to do in this debate. >> people, as you know, history shows from incumbents, incumbent presidents is very hard, usually in their first debate, even presidents flares and obama, david axelrod has talked about this, who knew that history. they still find it hard and part of the reason is because often they do feel a they haven't had people pushing back in their faces for last four years. and also they do feel like they want to talk about their accomplishments, even if there's accomplishments may not be felt are perceived by large numbers of people. yeah, absolutely. i mean, it's a natural instinct you can understand if you've been president the united states for four years, you've been working hard, you've gotten things done. you feel like you want to make it case how do you overcome that? >> so it will some of it is about prep, some of it is about working through how you answer a question in a way that drives to the contrast you want and brings trump in and doesn't just make it about reciting a laundry list of accomplishments that are important and meaningful, but may not feel in the moment like they're landing and people let's lives. >> so it's really thinking about how do you answer a question in a way that brings it back around to donald trump and isn't, doesn't just leave you sort of saying, well, look what i've done and that's enough because it really is about a choice and that's the theory, the biden campaign has had from the outset right? but the way they win is by drawing this contrast and that when they have the trump versus biden comparison trump is on palatable. and so that's, he's got a really stick to that in this debate. sure. my golf mean trump is even rusty or he has not been in the arena really for the last while he was and he's been talking to i mean, there's been an arenas but just in long rambling, soliloquy is yeah. >> i mean, look good. it's been awhile for the former president. it's been awhile for the current president. >> i think it's putin for both of these men. if i can take an objective analysis here to really drive home with their plans are for immigration and for the economy. if i'm advising president biden, i want to be contrite. i want to acknowledge that while things have improved, i get that for most people, you're not filling those things materially. this is what i'm going to do if given another form for years if you're donald trump, you wanna make a contrast from president biden to say, look, he's been given four years, things have not gotten better, things have gotten worse by some metrics. this is what i will do to improve your lot in life, both gentlemen are going to have to wrestle anderson. i would argue with trying to accomplish two different things if they're wanting to achieve some level of measurable success at the end of this debate. >> but mega i mean, that sounds for rational candidates. yes, that makes sense for what this debate very could easily devolve into i mean, you don't hear a lot of policy from donald trump. i mean, that's just not what his thing is when you do here and it's an incredibly broad strokes and most of what you hear is him in condemning president biden. and i expect that you will continue hearing that. i mean, i also think trump is going to have a different set of arguments against him by president biden than he has had in the past. what what came up over and over and over again when, when president trump was in office as president, was questions about corruption, questions about investigations he was facing. obviously, there's going to be i think references to the criminal case and i'm sure that you will hear the current president talk about that, but i also think jen o'malley dillon, the campaign manager for joe biden or who's running the campaign? had align with john holman in park this morning in an interview where she basically made clear that the contrast is going to be i'm joe biden and i care about you and donald trump only cares about himself and people like him, and that's the, he's a rich guy contrast. and so i do think you are likely to hear the incumbent president deal with that. i don't know what you're going to hear. trump's say in response. >> should michael, i just want to play something of how the foreign president's claims he has been preparing for the debate i'm preparing by taking questions from you and others if you think about it, we had a great meeting just now and philadelphia with the at the at the shop, you saw that with all the wonderful people. >> we just left, faith and freedom in dc. and that was incredible. so, but i'm preparing by dealing with you. your tougher than all of them. >> i mean, it's like i don't think that's true, but if that is true, i mean, that's a gift to the vitamin ministration, obviously, because the soft balls he gets from people set up events are obvious, like is different. every canada is different when i worked for mitt romney, he had a very, very arduous debate prep process. i wasn't a part of that. that was still growing in my political career. but when i worked for new gingrich, a great debate are really smart guy deep into the policy stuff. dr. carson was very different you really have to put a prep candidates where they are anderson based upon their strengths and weaknesses. i hope that the trump campaign is focusing on that, but i want to say something quickly to a maggie was just saying if president biden spends the majority of his time talking about january 6, are talking about democracy with san donald trump doesn't care about you. >> that does not prevent but an answer for what he's going to do for the next four years. if i'm a voter and i'm thinking i already have my opinions on donald trump already have my opinions on joe biden. all joe biden is talking about how terrible trump is about trump is saying, okay, but the economy sucks under joe biden, but immigration as a problem under joe biden, but the world is on fire because of multiple foreign conflicts with aggression from china, with a russians from russia under joe biden. that is a very, very clear contrast. i get bring it up the point, maybe once or twice, but if i'm buying, i'm talking about what i'm going to do for the next four years while understanding where people currently are to do the alternative would be a drastic mistake in my opinion kate president biden does sometimes get tripped up when i mean, i think he has natural inclination to go into details on policy, details on things he other legislation he has passed in his long storied career and that can get tripped up. >> and when you're facing somebody who doesn't need to go into any details on any policies i mean, he used to have a policy when he was first running about going to iraq and taking their oil and surrounding the oil fields with soldiers and just sucking all the oil out. >> it made no sense, but how do you argue against that? >> well, some of it i think is under i mean, part of what they're trying to do here is illustrate that trump is not fit to return to the oval office. so i don't think i don't believe you do that by having an extensive policy debate back and forth. i don't think that that's where most of the audience is going to be focused. i think that that takes you down rabbit hole polls, that feels disconnected from people's lives. we could talk about whether what that means about the state of politics. but i think that that's true. so you know, for, for biden, i think really pushing to hold trump accountable on the things that we know are some of his biggest political vulnerabilities but also forcing him, i mean, sort of tisha michael's points are forcing him to talk about what are you gonna do for the next four years? what are you gonna do to help people across this country and really taking it to the offensive rather than spending all of that time on the defensive defending himself and his policies. >> the problem with that though, is that trump has been president before. >> and so they're there for for whatever reason, and there's a lot of debates as to why a big factors it seems to be the post-covid period. there are a lot of people who feel like their lives were last good in 2019 and trump happened to be president then. and so that's its, he's biden is not facing a tabula rasa, isn't somebody who has not. but i also think that's part of biden's task is to remind people of the things that they disliked about trump. the thing that most, the most outrageous immigration language, the things that were off-putting to people motion tree covid, which is a hard which is a lot of people who agree with trump's. >> but not here's the thing about, but here's the thing about trump's immigration policies. they agree with tougher policies. they don't agree or like the most hateful rhetoric, the saying immigrants are poisoning the blood, family separation. >> well, i would agree with getting trunk if biden doesn't have to win on immigration, that's the other thing to remember. >> he has to mitigate damage for himself and immigration. he isn't a win. the debate on immigration and on the crime and two of the baby's driving the car he's driving the conversation to the worst parts of trump's immigration policy. >> that's a good thing for a their cubicle. thank you. sure. michael singleton, maggie haberman. thanks. coming up next the 360 exclusive conversation, the house speaker emerita nancy pelosi, and what she expects to see in the debate stage and the issue she feels will motivate voters on election day in later, my conversation with parents of hersh goldberg-polin, one of the eight americans being held hostage and gaza's disturbing new video of his abduction on october 7 is released when i was diagnosed with hiv, i didn't know who i would be, but here i am being me. >> keep being you and ask your health care provider about the number one prescribed hiv treatment. but toffee bits rv is a complete one pill once a day trip little used for hiv in many people, whether you're 18 or any, with one small pill, pick debris, fights hiv to help you get to undetectable and stay there. whether you're just starting or replacing your current treatment. research shows that taking hiv treatment as prescribed and getting two and staying undetectable prevents transmitting hiv through sex. serious side effects can occur, including kidney problems and kidney failure, rare life-threatening side effects include a buildup of lactic acid and liver problems do not take battarbee if you take dofetilide or rifampin, tell your health care provider about all the medicines and supplements you take. if you are pregnant or breastfeeding, or if you have kidney or liver problems, including hepatitis, if you have hepatitis b and that stuff, taking victory without we're talking to your health care provider, common side effects with diarrhea, nausea, and headache, no matter where life takes you, big tar we can go with you, talk to your healthcare provider today who are you i'm in a child less force. are you going to get you going? 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