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thursday morning, or at the height really heading into summer since sun's already up here. good morning, everyone on kasie hunt, it's wonderful to have you with us the most powerful law enforcement officer in america, waking up this morning in contempt of congress all right. apparently, we don't have the gavel falling, but we should have been seeing the house of representatives voting to hold attorney general merrick garland in contempt. for refusing to hand over subpoenaed audio recordings of president biden's interview with special counsel robert hur in that interview, biden is questioned about his handling of classified documents. >> her of course, famously infamously described the president as a well-meaning elderly man with a poor memory we should note republicans do already have a full transcript of the interview. >> they just want the audio to garlin responded to the contempt vote this way, quote, it's deeply disappointing that this house of representatives has turned a serious congressional authority into a partisan weapon. today's vote disregards the constitutional separation of powers and the justice department's need to protect its investigations here was how speaker mike johnson, after the vote look, we did our job on the contempt i think it sends an important message. we're defending article one and our authority for oversight and we have to do that we'll see what happens next, but the house has to do its work and i'm pleased with the outcome. >> all right, our panels here, let's bring in jeff mason. he's white house correspondent for writers in his cnn this morning debut, former federal prosecutor, elliot williams is also here. kate betting field, former biden white house communications director and mike dub key, former trump white house communications director welcome to all of you. i'm elliott. let me start with you on the legal situation here because i mean, first of all reality by justice department's not going to prosecute merrick garland. this is also not the first time that this has happened. this has become i don't want to say commonplace, but there are now three attorneys general who'd been held in contempt. eric holder back in 2012, because he refused to turn over documents. in effect fast and furious guns scandal, which was a big republican political focus at that time. then there was bill barr who defied a house oversight committee subpoena for documents related to changes to the us census that might not sound political, but actually the census is one of the most political areas that congress often deals with. >> and then now we have eric garland. now, garland has been a very aggressive in saying it's this house that is undermining the rule of law in the system. but look, there's a track record here going back to 2012. now, congress has the right to put someone in congress in contempt that doesn't comply with the things they do, right? and they can request any documents that are related to in the language of the law is very clear legitimate legislative purpose. that's the background here. the problem is that they have the thing that they're claiming that they want in the form of a transcript, all those other instances certainly, eric holder and william barr, involved documents that were not turned over here. congress has as the transcript of the robert hur interview and there's no place in the law that they can point to. anyone can point to that says that a transcript isn't sufficient for congress to do its job. and so the idea that somehow they need an audio recording of this thing that happened just isn't the case. it's never been something that congress has requested in law enforcement ought to fight this to the death because they should not. it gets in the way of law enforcement purposes to have every audio recording possibly turned over to congress. >> so jeff mason, let's dig into why it is that they might want the audio recording. i mean, if you read the her report basically, they seem to think, well, this is going to really make president biden look like an old man, which is one of their most let's potent arguments in the presidential election for sure. and it's the primary reason the white house doesn't want it out there, or the biden campaign for that matter. >> not that they have a voice in this, but the republican side has said that they want the audio recordings in order to compare them to the transcript because they accused the white house of doctoring transcripts of the president. but i think you can neutrally and objectively say that this is about politics, this is about getting out a interview that did not generally go well for the president in terms of the political ramifications of it, they would like to have his voice. they would like to have him looking old. they would like to have him looking like an elderly man with a poor memory and being able to play that in a commercial trawler played on tv or play it for their supporters. mike deputy, do you want to make an argument? this isn't just pure politics shore for the same reason that most of the news organizations have requested this audio recording. i believe cnn cnn has made this audio recording writers? no no. >> you sure. >> well, this is your not not not aware of it. >> here's the point of this. >> you can make the political argument, however, to eliot's point earlier, this is congress exercising its right to make a request of the executive branch. >> this is us us political one-on-one. so there's nothing wrong with making the request and there's something frankly wrong with holding the attorney general in contempt for not acquiescing to that request, but for the same reason that the news media wants the transcript. there are things that get lost. or i'm sorry, the audio recording. there are things that get lost in transcripts that you do pull out if audio recordings, you can write one line of script in an actor, can make that sound 1010 different i work in television and i understood the power of the visual medium and it sounded sure. >> so i mean, you can make the argument that its political, but i think you can also make the argument for all the same reasons that news organizations are requesting the audio recording that there is some import to, there's one big caveat news organizations aren't congress and they have a very different function and a very different job. if congress is investigating something with the goal toward either congressional oversight or passing legislation, they do not need a video that has been the practice of both parties of congress but presidential administrations, going back to time in the warm is being broken. >> i know we should be glad that the news media is different than congress or the newsmaker would hold. are the attorney general in contempt almost every day for things i'll for sure. >> what i that's but that's part of what makes this so blatant. >> when you political right, it's outside the traditional scope of the way congress, he uses these, these authorities. and so i think we're talking about the politics of this. i think for the average voter who's watching this, this is an extension of the republican congress being incredibly focused on these incredibly political issues that using their time to i've tried to hammer biden and then biden administration rather than trying to actually get things done that impact the american people. so for the democrats, that's an argument that they can make about all of this as well. well, let me ask you this as we right before we had to break punchbowl, put it this way this morning, house republicans have impeached the homeland security secretary, alejandro mayorkas. they voted to hold garland in contempt. they've thrown threatened to hold secretary of state antony blinken encount in contempt. gop committee chairs have handed out subpoenas like halloween candy, but just about the only person the house gop's oversight hasn't really touched is president joe biden much to the chagrin of former president donald trump? yes. but they've tried, by the way, i mean, they've spent months and months and months. >> jim comer has been months and months and months trying to make a case. they have they it's like they wound up and we're like ready to hit the pitch. and then there was nothing because they haven't been able to make this key connection that they want to be able to make. and so this is in some ways, i think them doing this is also a little bit of face-saving, right? it's like, well, we couldn't get the big fish, so we're we're over here trying to grab all the medium fish. i mean, it just it seems like they'd they didn't quite get didn't quite get what they were going for one, a very quick one. no, i've been lucky just wanted analyze the ways of gone after the democrats have also going after themselves around the second speaker. >> so there's a large you're going a while. >> and then of course, there's this donald trump is gonna be back in 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visions for america's future that cnn presidential debate thursday, june 27th, nine life, i'd cnn and streaming and backs to the prison what i'm saying is he was asked about a pardon. >> he was asked about he was asked about the trial specifically, and he answered it very clearly, very forthright the white house, they're not ruling out the possibility that the president could commute the sentence of his son, hunter, who was found guilty on three federal gun charges earlier this week. >> prior to a hundreds conviction, the president vowed he would not pardon his son on the commutation question, the white house response yesterday was a little bit different from what we had heard last september. watch one with the precedent parking commute, his son if he's convicted. >> so i've answered this question before it was asked of me not too long ago, a couple of weeks ago, and i was very clear and i said no so again that was the old answer, but keep adding field. we actually were talking about this yesterday on the show that for the president, a commutation it's a little bit hard to see him. the president, the father, not trying to do something to help his son, but obviously the political ramifications are intense. what do you make of how corinne john pierre answered this question yesterday? yeah. well, she definitely left space. i mean, they're clearly leaving themselves space. i think there's no question about that. they obviously know how to answer the question in september, she gave a vaguer answer yesterday. certainly intentionally, i would imagine to give them to give themselves space. i think politically look, he he was very clear about the issue of the pardon. he understands the signal that it sends. he obviously is trying to draw really stark contrast with donald trump in terms of presidential behavior and keeping your thumb off the scale and not inappropriately interfering with the justice system. i think he certainly wants to maintain that contrasts in terms of whether he ultimately commutes the sentence of his son. i think there would be an understanding for most people who have children that you're looking to protect your child from the very worst of the ramifications of potential prisons commutation wouldn't be a pardon wouldn't erase the conviction, would not clean the slate but you wouldn't potentially to find it based on what i see from their answer there, i think i think they're considering it and yes, i do think they could. i do think they could defend it on the grounds that he's looking out for his problems. >> the public doesn't know the difference between pardon and commute like virat asked what happened to scooter libby, people would say, wait, was he pardoned? was he can be like what and bush commuted him, but it's just confusing right now. you're exactly right. a pardon would would wipe the slate clean, commutation means he's still felon, but doesn't have a sentence on his on his record, so he if the state doesn't allow him to vote or run for office or getting insurance license or whatever that we still know. >> there's there's a question. it would be cleaner for them to just say no. yeah. yeah. but i think the reality of family here is what it is kate knows better than i do about how preparation goes into briefings and gaggles, but i have a slightly different take on that answer. >> i would not have taken that answer to me. they're not ruling it out. i take that answer to mean craig didn't have another talking point prepared and i don't mean that pejoratively. i think that she was did her job was to stick to what the president said president said, i'm not going to pardon him. she wasn't really prepared to talk about the difference was preferred and said, it should september should have mean i heard the question that was my colleague, honor, from the ap. he included both of those words in that question. i don't know you know, better than i do. >> yeah. it's certainly happens the press secretary has to deal with incoming on every topic and sometimes they aren't prepared on a particular topic i sort of have a hard time believing given that this is so front-and-cente r that they hadn't prepped for this. i mean, typically, the biggest piece of the briefing each day of the prep for the briefing each day is going through what are the five things that are talking? top of mind for every reporter and what are the questions that i'm going to get? so i don't know. i was it was not part of this prep and you you're absolutely right. sometimes that is the case i have a hard time believing they didn't prep for this question titration. fair enough. >> i just like i didn't walk away from that. i listened to that gaggle yesterday and i didn't walk away writing a story that they're not ruling this out. she didn't answer. she just said is already said no to a pardon. very interesting for those of our viewers, we're just at meeting jeff on this show. >> you have done this for so many years, sat on the plane, 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central all right, president biden back in europe this morning, he is meeting with world leaders in italy for the g7 summit. at the top of the agenda securing sustained military aid for ukraine. they're expected to announce he $50 billion loan for ukraine using foreign russian assets are senior white house correspondent, mj lee is traveling with the president in italy, mj. good morning. very grateful to have you on the show. what are the details here would expect from the president today yeah. >> you know, that announcement that you just mentioned is expected to be one of the major deliverables to come out of this jesus seven summit. it is a $50,000,000,000 loan that would be made to ukraine coming from the interests that comes from hundreds of billions of dollars in frozen russian assets officials from the g7 in countries have been really negotiating over these details for a while now, trying to answer some really thorny financial questions like who actually would be making the loan? 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turn out of this senate democrats today, forcing a vote on legislation to guarantee nationwide access to ivf treatments it's an effort not only to enshrine federal protections for this reproductive care, but also to try to highlight republican resistance to those measures ahead of the november election, democratic senator tammy duckworth, who used it we have to conceive her two children, has championed the bill and she had this message for her republican colleagues yesterday ahead of the vote i really hope republicans proved me wrong this week by passing this bill i hope that when we get to the floor tomorrow, they were surprises that they will show they actually give a about women in this country that they will at long last turn their empty words into action and actually help is protect access to ivf pedal is back mike deb kim going to go to you on this just because this is something there are republicans in the senate actually do recognize that this issue is a massive problem for them politically ugly. what we saw in alabama, ted cruz and katie britt, two republicans have teamed up for a republican version of this bill. the problem of course, is that it still leaves space for states to write laws that ultimately would cause the kinds of problems that we saw in alabama where fertility clinics feel like they couldn't operate for fear of criminal liability based on how embryos are defined as people or not in these state laws. so this is not going to look great for them. i mean, i think we can acknowledge this as a political schumer was on the floor say, well, this isn't a show vote, but that's what's going on here. but how tough is this for republicans? >> first, let's start with the vote that was and it wasn't a vote, it was unanimous consent on the bread. >> they tried to bring it up. they tried to bring it up and patty murray objected because it was unanimous consent. so in terms of the republicans, they are trying they were trying to use a keratin steck method basically, if states outlawed this, they'd lose their accent does to medicaid and the democrats did not want to do that because we're in the summer of show votes. and this summer of show votes includes the vote last week on reproductive rights. it includes the vote today, i guess it'll be on an idf these or nothing but political show votes and schumer basically, i mean, he's not even trying at this point. he is the same talking point last week than to use this week in describing this. this is a show me republican thing or something along those lines. so i get it. >> we're in political season, but this is kinda a silly political season with these voters plane which show vote means though. >> and it's not uncommon for congress, like you said in sibley season, if an election year to put bills on the floor that aren't likely to become law, right? just for the purpose of having the other side, we have to take a really hard vote on it and people will go on the campaign trail and say look, congressmen mike, we voted against supporting in vitro fertilization what a horrible guy. so i understand why the republicans don't just vote for it. >> i don't and i didn't understand why they didn't vote for the contraception bill. i and i understand you're i just wanted was a gift to trailers secondly, it would have removed the restriction in the military and other restriction on government dollars going to pay for abortions. there were several things hidden. >> motors are again, but most voters here, i can't wait right here that they're not gonna hear that what time where this issue is so hard for republicans, it's wild to me, right? >> well, so big picture again, i mean, mike, i take all your points that there were things in this bill that republicans felt were not acceptable. but there's a headline from page in the new york times today, southern baptists reject ivf despite evangelicals wide use and what they're referring to is the southern baptist convention, which is the largest protestant denomination in which the new york times describes as sort of a a way to be a barometer of evangelical sentiment on cultural, cultural, and political issues they voted to say that they don't think that people should use ivf because they're worried about the ethics around the embryos. and i think when we were down in technicalities here on what's happening on the senate floor. i mean, big picture kate, this is something where i mean, i certainly am i have actually embryos of my own. and when rho fell, i my first thought was are these embryos stored in a state or a red state? yeah yeah. >> um, and because i actually care very deeply about them, everyone has very complicated and personal ethical considerations and feelings around these things. yeah. but to your point, i mean, voting against this really sends a signal that i think it penetrates past politics. >> i agree, i agree, i agree. and i think this is i can't i almost can't imagine an issue where the base of the republican party, and now frankly, the majority of the republican party elected republican party is more out of step with people across the country. this is historically not been a political issue. yes, obviously, the stem, so debate protect. i remember particularly in 2006, i was at the triple c. the issue around stem cells was significant. so that's not to say these issues have never been political, but broadly speaking the idea that a politician would be coming for your right to use ivf to conceive a child i think is feels abhorrent to most people who aren't even particularly dialed into politics. and that's where republicans really, really have a problem with your point if, if the conversation is about ivf and the access their two and talking about well, states would be incentivized to have medicaid funding. you've lost the debate, and i think that's to your point, something that people feel very strongly about on a moral and personal wealth. and i would just circled back to the use of show boat, which is very possibly true, but it is absolutely something that people around the country are interested in and care about. >> and it's affected families of all different shapes and sizes and stripes from single women to gay men, too. heterosexual couples issue that a lot of people care about. let's go back to, you've got, you've got the potential nominee or the the assumed nominee of the republican party saying we're not going to touch ivf. >> you've got the leaders on the republican side saying we're not touching idea. you have one incident of a court ruling and alabama in which the elected republican officials overruled that and change the rules to make ivf legal and alabama after the outrage after the what region of a court case, the court really, really right there to this convention. they don't less a republican. you're presbyterian. i can't speak what are the mandible? but the point, but it's a voice in the country. >> it is worsening for evangelical voters. 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apparently not in denmark. three varieties of fire her chicken instant ramen noodles. recall by the danes for being too spicy. it is so spicy that the food police, their fear that it could actually poison people. >> so if you live in denmark and you like spicy ramen noodles, there is no soup for you. >> eliot. >> well, you know, it's interesting. anyone who wants to say that america is a sort of deepstate nanny socialist state. i just want you to know that denmark literally band cup of noodles so i was just in gen. mark about two weeks ago and i can say is they've got great food there. so if people want rom and then go somewhere, i have to have fish. when you're defender who doesn't damage. >> does this apply to all of the eu now know, oh, wow federalist. >> well, i yeah, exactly want to have the united states europe, i guess you go to germany for your spice. >> it's the wait, wait, wait. sorry. >> i'm hearing a black helicopter flying. >> sorry. >> my ear. i will say the last time i was in denmark, the first time i was in dental i had reindeer brain. so they don't outlaw. >> yeah. >> i was as you might expect, taste like chickens. it's basically the problem former very aggressive critics the house speaker mike johnson will be there. this was his response when he was asked whether the former president would respect to the outcome of the upcoming november election of course he respects that and we all do and we've all talked about it at nauseum our panel is back my dub key one of the people that is going to be in this room is going to be mitch mcconnell who, let's, let's just play what donald trump has said about mcconnell over the years. >> take a look president trump is short and morally responsible for provoking the events of the day. >> if donald trump wins the republican nomination, would you support him luck. >> let me just say again, there is simply no room in the republican party for antisemitism or white supremacy shortly after the attack on the capitol i was asked a similar question. >> and i said, i would support the nominee for president even if it were the former president. >> so that of course was actually mitch mcconnell on donald trump over the years. finally saying at the end there back in march that he is going to support a trump citing previous comments. but here is what trump has said about mcconnell over the here swatch this mitch mcconnell is a loser. we do have to do something about mitch mcconnell he is he's a disaster. these washington republicans like mitch mcconnell has the absolute worst. i had a fight to mitch mcconnell and other beauty mitch mcconnell and his wife, coco chao. coco we gotta get the mcconnell's of the world to do their job mike washington as a city and strange bedfellows uh-huh. >> i'm just going to let that one okay. we've got president trump's coming back to washington. he's talking to both houses of the senate, republicans in the house, republicans it's i think it's normal for the presumptive nominee to come and speak in front of congress. we can play these clips and there's probably multiple clips you've got lined up, ready to go as well on this, but the one thing that i think everyone's realizing is we're living in a in a time in a zeitgeist where donald trump has somehow touched a nerve. he is a populist candidate from years past and whether or not, whether or not the party regulars who have been there for a number of years like it or not, he is going to be the nominee of the party. and if you mitch mcconnell, at the end of the day hey, wants a senate majority and he understands that goes through a very positive outcome for donald trump in the presidential election in state after state, because most of the competitive congressional or senate states are also competitive presidential station. >> well, and i think, look, mcconnell is leaving his post as well. >> we thank says everything about kind of where the republican party is going. i will say there were some republicans who are sticking by the principles that they had outlined at when it came to donald trump, including mitt romney. here's how he explains why he will not be attending today i leave out a flight at 2:00. >> i can't make it just can't make it go and being like unavailable. >> and yet reception. >> but in fairness, romney has also been very clear about his position on the former president and romney has also leaving congress. and so he's got a little bit of freedom to swell in no small part because i think they thought he couldn't win a primary and you tell them deed right indeed, the thing that's so interesting to me about this is that donald trump won won the election in 2016. but since then, has been defeated and has also suffered in mit, his party suffered in midterm elections since then there were expected to overperform. >> they didn't, in part because some of these trump candidates underperformed. so probably it is so demoralizing to me that the republican party is choosing to line up behind this person who is says things that are incredibly dangerous, that are hateful, that stoke division that bring out the worst now this is a country but, but it also is it like defies political sense to me because they are, they've lined up behind this guy who has consistently walk them into electoral losses. so it's like, i don't know. i mean, maybe mics, right. he just is touched on a populist nerve, but it's almost like he's brainwash them in a way into believing that he's stronger than he is. and the fact that they continue to line up behind him even after he calls them losers and idiots. it just says a lot about the weakness of the republican party, right? i mean, i think the november election is going to answer that question since of course he did at the end of the day when a primary but with trump going to he's not gonna be at the capitol itself. he's going to be meeting slightly off campus. it's a political event that those are the rules but of course, this is the first time he had mcconnell are gonna be in the same room since january 6 and they have not spoken since then. and as democrats are trying to frame the election as a struggle for democracy, the biden campaign is trying to seize on this moment, this return with this new ad, which is set to air in battleground states starting today, watch on january 6, donald trump lit a fire in this country, stoking the flames of division hey now, pouring gasoline, they were unbelievable budgets pledging to pardon the extremist who tried to overthrow our government. >> there is nothing more sacred than our democracy but donald trump, ready to burn it all down so that's their new ad and i just want to remind everyone what we hear from former president trump about the people who were shown some of the people who are shown in that ad, who've been held accountable for what they did that day. >> here's the president at a rally and it starts with a version of the national anthem that i guess honors these january 6, attackers with the capital watch ladies and gentlemen, please rise for the horribly at unfairly treated you worry, six toss ditches. do you see the spirit from the hostages? and that's what they are as hostages. they'd been treated terribly unbelievable patriots and they were unbelievable patriots and our jeff mason i just it makes me think of that quote from mike johnson knew he says that of course president trump will respect the outcome of the election. well, that is objectively false. he can't say that he doesn't know that. we saw how president trump reacted to the results of the election in 2020. he has certainly not come out and said, i will respect whatever the outcome is. in 2024 you can't as an individual, as a journalist, as a politician just accept that from the speaker. you can't yeah. mike i really i really have a problem with this question being asked. over and over and over again basically, why every repo, because it is a hypothetical i mean, it no, no, no. we go back to 2020 and that is that is a different election. but in terms of this question being, being asked, i think it's a setup. frank, i'm just saying it's a setup it seems it wasn't a question before. >> there was a violent rally, rat the capital to try to overturn the results of a free and fair election, correct. and trump himself has subsequently said that he will not accept the results of the election. so i don't know how that's a hypothetical or setup when eight we're asking donald same question. >> fare it's a fair question for asking every republican that comes, not every republican, but a vast majority of republicans that come on the air. not just this network, but other networks and ask that question. whether or not they should come a, come up with a better answer, but secondly, it does for veteran third vote yes for the vote. yeah. i agree with you. >> but for the voters out there that are attracted to donald trump, that are attracted to the populist message that want to throw the bums out, that believed that there is corruption, that there are leaders for all of that from the media. it's sounds like just a re just said just an elitist question to politicians. i'm just calling that out. that's all i'm trying to assign. something that we got from the trump campaign yesterday elliott because the fundraising email says haul out the guillotine oh, dear what i think the unfortunate thing about the gates in reference is that given january 6 and gallows and nuisance, that were images, they are now hanging pants. they were chanting hanger my pennant again, even, even if we're going to quibble about the legitimacy of what were they really chanting or was sarcastic, or whenever it was literally gallows on january 6 and an image like that, six in people's minds. but mike de your point, it's this is donald trump's hold on. the party we were talking about this in the last segment before the break, which is that against rationality and police pickles sound judgment, folks still seem to fall in line. butt. >> so when republicans who are supporting him are interviewed about him, i don't understand how it's setup or an unfair question to say, do you support the fact that he has said he will not accept the results of the alliance and the question was asked he's, here, you accept the results. so i know we're quibbling over their language here and we can obviously, we can move on but this is a i do i do because i do think at least part of what i'm trying to express here is that there is a segment of the population that here's those questions. and then they, they feel like, well this whole thing is a setup to try to a gotcha question that's all i'm trying to say. there is a segment of the population you've got to take into account when you're looking at this. and i think the republican party i'll stop i just want to say i someone who was at the capitol on january 6, i do not find these questions to be at all hypothetical all right. i do want to leave time to leave you with this because i lost a dear friend this week and the nation lost a great journalist, howard feinman passed on tuesday. he was a pioneer in washington reporting circles for nearly four decades. he moved from daily news coverage to newsweek magazine later, cable news commentary, and then the new frontiers of online journalism. howard. >> those who knew him well, no, he was incredibly witty than york times notes in his obituary that he had in mind like an encyclopedia. >> but most of all, he was kind and quick to share his wisdom with journalists following in his footsteps like me, he was one of the first people who believed in and really encouraged me to find a career in television after we first met on the campaign in trail back when i was a cub reporter at the associated press, i will never forget that he did that for me. i will never forget him. and i do want to send our prayers to his family, his wife, amy, his daughter, meredith, his so