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the source. >> tonight, new details on a critical interview for donald trump with a probation officer ahead of it? the sentencing here in new york, plus bree bianna a tickets free luxury trips, and several six-figure book deals. i supreme court that was already under scrutiny. let me is now under even more tonight and a game show giant signing off after four decades had say jack is taking his final spin tonight on real the fortune. another tv tightened tom bergeron is here to talk about it. i'm kaitlin collins, and this is the source donald trump often claims loudly and repeatedly that the entire legal system dome is rigged against him. >> but he's not to have one privilege that not all convicted felons actually get tonight. >> the judge who is overseeing his hush money case, justice juan merchan, says he will allow trump's lead attorney, todd blanche, to attend an interview before trump is sentenced here in new york on july 11, typically, the defendant would meet one-on-one with a probation officer without an attorney present for this pre-sentencing investigation. but trump is now a law allowed to bring todd blanche along. and here's why that matters. the information that is gathered from that interview was quite quite important. it all goes into what's known as a pre-sentence report to help the judge your decide the defendant's punishment. and for trump, as we know, that could very well mean jail. but also tonight, the judge did something else. he flagged a facebook post from last month to both the prosecution and the defense now, the person who made this post, this poster claim to be a cousin of a juror. and they wrote that their cousin told them trump was going to be convicted. now there is no evidence that this is real, that this person is actually at all related to a real juror who was inside that room i should note the individual who is posting this personally describes themselves as a trash poster basically an online troll. but none of that context tonight appears to matter to trump's republican allies, who quickly seized on it. look at this senator marsha blackburn posted, we all know trump's trial was decided before it even began. witch hunt and all caps. congresswoman marjorie taylor greene said, quote, the fix was in from the beginning. and congressman jim banks called it, quote, a mistrial in all caps my first source tonight spent nearly 20 years on the bench of the california superior court. retired judge with doris hazard cordell is back here with us. and judge, let's get to that in a moment. but first on this pre-sentencing report typically, convicted defendant would meet one-on-one with a probation officer without their attorney. there what do you make of this decision and how much trump's other cases could factor into this thank you for having me on caitlin so it is unusual, but not uncommon for a person who has been convicted of a crime to have a lawyer with that person and usually it it's the person who has enough money to pay for a lawyer to come sit for all the time it takes to do the interview. >> but understand this is a pre-sentence report, as you said, sentencing when it comes before the judge, basically has three goals. the judge has to decide a punishment on punishment, decide on whether or not the sentence can be rehabilitative. and also deter the person from engaging in the conduct again, and deter others from engaging in that kind of conduct. so in order to do it, the judge needs to know as much as possible about the defendant, and also about those who are impacted the victims. so that's why we have this pre-sentence report and the probation officer is tasked with doing this. so one major section in a probation report is a statement from the defendant so that's a big one and that's the time where the defendant can talk about the crime and talk about remorse and contrition. that's what june finally, they want to do when they want to get a favorable or lenient sentence from the judge. this is a whole different can of worms here so it's going to be very interesting what donald trump says at this probation interview. his lawyer may instruct him to say nothing at all. >> why? >> well, one is because donald trump trump tends to become unhinged and could really say things that really, really poorly impact him in front of the judge. >> and also it could be because donald trump is facing some other cases, other charges and what he says there could be used against him and other proceedings. so that's why this lawyer is going to be there basically to try to keep him under control and keep them on the right track? yeah. i understand. awesome. >> well point. but because the attorney is todd blanche and we actually had him on the show after the verdict came down last thursday, and i asked him what kind of sentence does he expect alvin? bragg to seek here i want you to listen to what todd blanche told me district attorney bragg tonight. did not directly say whether or not they are going to seek jail time for donald trump. do you expect that he will? >> i have no idea. look, there's a system in place that were you rely on precedent and somebody like president trump should never never face a jail sentence based on this conduct. and it would just kind of confirm what we've been saying all along on a lot of people say that we're wrong and that we're we're missing we're missing key pieces. but if, if, if other 77-year-old, first-time offenders would never be sent to prison for this conduct. >> judge i look at that. i hear what todd blanche is saying there, but i also think about michael cohen and allen weisselberg. they both those faced prison sentences for what happened with them. >> do you actually think that do you agree with todd blanche basically? no, i don't. and what is important is what you just said. michael cohen was basically convicted of the same crime, although not 34 times. and michael cohen was contrite. he was remorseful. he assisted in the presentation of the case by the prosecution and he got three years so if you have have a defendant who did this 34 times and is not remorseful and denigrate the entire system, the process and the judge. if i'm thinking of a judge and sentencing as well, wait a minute. even though that was in federal court, i still have to do what i believe is fair looking at this defendant. >> i also have to also really understand this defendant, which means a judge is a right to require person to undergo a psychological evaluation. >> and given how unhinged and incoherent donald trump has been in speaking publicly that kind of an evaluation might be merited because, for example, he could be dementing so these are all kinds of information that a judge needs to make an informed a reasonable, and objective as best one can sentencing in any instance and particularly in this case yeah, a lot of things for the judge to weigh here. judge, it was great to have you here tonight. thank you for joining us. >> thank you. >> and here in studio with me, defense attorney and jury consultant, we're not us to beale and also retired judge george grosso has been 13 years as a judge in new york city and also was there every single day of the trial when we're talking about what the pre-sentencing report that came out today that they said yes. todd blanche had come in, but this other posts that the judge flag to the two parties about this person claiming to be a jurors cousin. we have no clue if this person actually is. they seem to have posted the same comment multiple times out there why would the judge flag this to the defense and the prosecution? i think it was very smart that the judge did that immediately because theoretically this could be very impactful as to whether or not every juror upheld their whole their oath to be fair and impartial and engage in deliberations within open mind. >> so if in theory, first of all, we don't even know if i'm michael and to sin exists. we don't know if this is real, but it could be, it could be. and it was posted to a court website. so right. so the judge got it. it's exactly what i would've done. you get it right out to both parties, get it out to the defense get it out to the district attorney. and now they can investigate it. they can request a hearing. there are other things the judge could do. theoretically, todd blanche might want the judge to bring jurors back in, pull the jurors. there's a lot of there's a lot of potential tools. but the last thing the judge would want to do is be behind the api for as have this information. not give it to the parties, and not give them a position to make a record and be heard on how it should be handled because it could be. and i emphasize could be significant and it needs to be looked at and thoroughly reviewed. >> who's in charge of actually conducting the investigation? is tied blanche and trump's team is that the district attorney's office? is it the judge who's was still well, i would think that the judge would be leading the investigation. i found the defense. i'm jumping all over this as judge grosso said, could be true, could be not true. i'll just note the post was the day before the verdict apparently. now, the person has a 50, 50 shot of getting it right. but they did get it right. so if i'm the defense, i'm looking for any legal opportunity to overturn this conviction. i'm going to ask the judge, can you bring in all the jurors, even the alternates? can we question? shouldn't them? one-by-one in camera, meaning individually in private, and just ask them, did you speak with anybody? do you have a cousin named michael anderson and see how they answer? you never know what's going to shake out. there are juror issues in high-profile cases all the time. >> and that was the name of the person. but when you actually look at this person one, they self-professed to be an online internet troll. they've made this comment claiming to be a juror and that they knew what the outcome of the trial was going to be multiple other times that we could find. and so i mean, it doesn't seem realistic in any way, shape, or form. and is there? i understood what you're saying, what the judge wanting to be sure that he had it out there, but is there any danger and putting it out there because you see how republicans are now saying, oh, there should be a mistrial, are going to go right back to what i've been excuse me saying about judge mission from the from the beginning, his job isn't to think about how the public might perceive it, what the political implications are. his job is to be a judge. and part of his job of being a judge's to seeing that this defendants rights are protected. every step of the way so we had to get that out. he had to make that available. he had to protect this defendant's rights and whatever they're going to say. i mean, i saw in the promo, you've got united states senate is already like did laura blackburn, i think she was marsha blackburn, that she conduct her own investigation. she knows there is a michael anderson. she knows this is true. this is the poison. polluted political times we live in judges get paid to avoid all that. do what's right. and that's what he did here. yeah. can we talk about the other thing here? that we'll see how that plays out on the political aspect, but we do know is happening. is this interview with the probation officer and i noticed typically they would ask about their employment history, their background, but are they actually going to ask donald trump that's it's it seems will go through their list of yes. i believe they will just go through their list of questions i mean, there might be some charcoals in there because it's all so obvious. but i think the reason todd blanche wants to be in there is trying to keep things under control. i mean, the last thing he wants us for donald trump to be going off on this probation officer saying this is all rigueur. who knows what he might say. so i think that's really the goal here, is to be in there and keep things civilized could we actually see trump submit letters from friends and family is part of this on his behalf. >> and would that make a difference for the judge or du really good guy. >> he really didn't mean it. i don't know. they want to submit the letters, but i will say i green renato, if there was ever it's very unusual that a brings the attorney to the to this interview with probation for the pre-sentencing investigation. but if there was ever a case where it made sense for the defendant to bring his lawyer. this is the case because essentially the concern is that he could say something that the judge made an interesting point there about if he said something that could affect the other cases that he could affect the other k could also affect this case. >> i mean, he just stuck going off attacking the judge, attacking the core, attacking the jurors is pod as the probation investee, his father, the psi. i don't think that would be very helpful. less is more he needs adult supervision then i think it makes sense. >> we're talking about something that did happen today. alvin bragg, the strict attorney, puts out this newsletter about the work that his office's doing. he posted it today, just talking to a roundup of what they'd been working lately. the first one that you notice there is actually about a conviction of a pizza, pizza ria owner who's pleading guilty to stealing wages, second billing is donald trump. i mean, maybe it's very new york. i kinda made me laugh that donald trump was at the top billing and his newsletter or the conviction, you can't get a good slice of pizza for $1 and new york anymore. good go l bragg three repeats is very important. we maybe also he thought it would be two gloating right to break down a little weird, but right. savvy, but now non-gray gross over another to build, great to have you both here up next, this is something quite noticeable. these are some 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harlan crow saying that he quote, inadvertently omitted the trip to bali. and another trip to a private club in california. >> it was the nondisclosure of those trips, which were first reported by propublica in an investigation that raised major questions about what gifts that thomas and other justices may have been receiving justice ketanji brown jackson disclosed for tickets to a bianna concert last year, a gift i should note from bianna herself. >> and we also learned that several of the justices have received six-figure payments last year for book deals and includes justice jackson, justice brett having all and also justice neil gorsuch. now these disclosures come at a time when there are a lot of ethics questions for the supreme court and as their only several weeks left for them to decide and we'll find out what they decide on several politically supercharged cases that includes whether or not trump has immunity from prosecution, and also so about the nation's access to abortion pills. there's just two of the decisions that we are waiting to come this month from the supreme court. my sources tonight or cnn political commentator and former white house communications director for president biden, kate betting filled as well as cnn seniors, political commentator and former senior adviser to mitch mcconnell, scott jennings. it's gotten i mean, just given it was just last year that justice thomas argued he didn't need to disclose these kinds of gifts i wonder what you make him saying that he inadvertently omitted that. does for the courts credibility here. >> well, the fact that he put them out there now, i think is a good thing. i take it made his word that it was an inadvertent omission. and you go back to 2011, 2012, a bunch of democrats filed an ethics complaint against clarence thomas over this exact same kind of stuff back then it was looked at by the judicial conference and they found that he had done nothing wrong. harlan crow, by the way, is a long friend of clarence thomas. he's often described as a republican megadonor, but they'd been friends for a very, very long time. so there's a personal friendship that he has. i would also point out since you raised the cases, harlan crow is on the record as saying he is pro choice and he's also no big fan of donald trump so people often draw link between crow and thomas and his upcoming cases. but in this case, i don't think he's going to be finding a sympathetic ear for his personal views with clarence thomas. and that's not even really the issue. the issue is their friends and they'd been friends for a long time. >> yeah. >> so okay. we're godless of the politics of the person. i think what people look at and they're kind of, they kind of have a sayyed is that when it's a supreme court justice going on major lavish trips that are funded by a billionaire harlan crow is a billionaire and not saying anything about them. and i think that is where the questions have been, kate and so on this issue even if it's not something that is linked to what's happening here, there is a political perception issue with the court and the credibility of it. and so that's the question of whether or not that affects how people see those decisions that are made by these justices. these rulings that we are getting when they're looking at these it's trips to bali and which i should note was on a private plane and a private yacht that was not part of the disclosure tonight yeah. >> i think that's exactly right. i mean, this is a moment where people across the board have our steadily losing faith in our institutions, including journalism, including the courts. and so the idea that these justices are not being forthcoming, that they're not disclosing these incredibly significant and in thomas's case, lavish gifts from people who have significant political influence within the republican party. that is, that is troubling and the fact that he, has a different points said he wasn't obligated to disclose it or and then said he forgot the sheer fact that he's not being transparent about it is, is problematic because they perception problem. i think it's also important to remember that at least for federal judges, the statute for recusal is not just actual conflict, but it's the perception of conflict, the perception of bias. so if you're, if you're the average voter and you're looking at these really significant cases that are coming up before the supreme court. and you have concern about whether the justices are being transparent and forthcoming about these kinds of things of course, there's going to be a political impact there. that's going to leave a bad taste in people's mouth. and so i think for this spring court, they don't view themselves as political. they don't think of themselves as political. >> maybe they should. and i don't mean that in terms of the cases that they're deciding, but in terms of how they think about their institution, i think that they probably need to have a more realistic perception of how the public sees them and think about how they conduct themselves to earn the public's trust. >> it's scott, do you think that they think of that that that is taken into consideration even if it's what you said there, that their lifelong friends that there is no intersection of harlan crows interest and the cases that are before or justices, including clarence thomas, the idea for regular american to see a lot of these justices getting six-figure book deals. but, but one in particular, taking these trips, how the average american looks at that yeah. look, it's a legitimate question and it's worthy of debate. i do think the justices, and i mean this broadly, all of them from right to left, don't end, should not think of themselves as political actors. i do have a disagreement with kate about that. i mean, the reason we give them lifetime appointments, the reason they don't stand before voters, the reason they had this installation around and their branch of government is because we don't want them to act politically. we just want them to think of themselves as acting only in the interest of the us constitution. and our laws that are passed by the political branches of our government. so i don't want them to begin to think of themselves in a way that the average politician would think of themselves. i go, i better not do this, or i better do that that because then they become politicians are not judges. i want them to be judges first. >> well, in case the supreme court is so front and center for a lot of voters, especially after roe versus wade was overturned. and we heard president biden last week in philadelphia. he was talking about this the supreme court and he was saying the next president is going to be able to appoint a couple of justices. he says, i'll be talking about putting really progressive judges in there if that would change people's lives. do you think this is something that he should be talking more about, not just in the sense of how roe versus wade was decided, but in what he would do if he has a second term when it comes to the supreme court well, remember, he views he find he believes it to be very fundamental. >> the separation of powers it's government. he has always been very, very careful not to use the power of the presidency to overstep or two in any way suggest that he was trying to sway what the court's doing. i think remember he was on the judiciary committee for many, many years in the senate. he takes all of that very, very seriously and views the idea of the erosion of trust in the court as a really fundamental problem for the country as he thinks about how to approach this within the confines of a political campaign. he's thinking about how to not further erode that trust that he thinks is really fundamental to our system continuing to work. so i think there are as we've been discussing here, i think there are legitimate questions concerns. i think when a supreme court justice views themselves as so far outside of the realm of politics. and this is what i mean by political, that they can take a 4 million from a over the course of of their career from a significant conservative donor and not have to disclose that because they view themselves as so far outside of the process that's that they're not obligated to disclose it. that's a problem that creates trust issues and i think democrats broadly can and should raise that kate betting. scott jennings, great to have you both on tonight. thank you thanks for having us coming up in a store. you're not going to want to miss a transgender teen was attacked at her high school. she says by other students hospitalized with a broken jaw. that's 17-year-old is here to tell hello, our story next sometimes the best thing you can do with it intelligence is shared with your adversary. if his secret is betrayed its bullet to the back of a hand, secrets and spies and nuclear game sunday at ten on cnn who are you? i'm in a child what 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here tonight. i can't even imagine what a week you've had until i'm just i'm really grateful that you're here. >> can you can you start by telling us what happened yeah. thank you so much earlier or last week? >> the previous thursday, i was attempting to use the restroom during school and while i was in the stall, a another student looked over, said stall and stared at me before calling me a homophobic slur and after i had tried to quickly leave the restroom, i was continuously insulted in the hallway before being punched directly in the jaw, fracturing it in two places and scattering parts of my own tooth in my mouth your tooth actually broke in your mouth that's right. i i noticed because there was something in my mouth that wasn't here before i mean i can't even imagine what that felt like not much at the time. >> i shock definitely numb the pain as it was happening. >> but i was given support by my school counselor who took care of me and tell my father was able to arrive and take me to the emergency dentist where i had an x-ray taken and it was discovered that it was not only my tooth that is broken, but my job and the fact that you have reconstructive surgery. >> i mean, have you ever worried about something like this happening when you were at school, had you and your dad ever talked about know what to do if someone was harassing you like this? >> well, i have dealt with harassment in school before. nothing even close to this extent i usually just try to ignore it. and if i couldn't or if it became too, difficult. i confronted verbally by saying by trying to say you have no reason to be upset at me for any reason i've i had never met these students before never even seen them dad. >> i mean what's it like for you to see your child go through this it's it's pretty horrible. >> i have to say there's not anything worse that could happen to apparent really is you know, something somebody going after your child especially for, these reasons which are you know, beyond you know comprehension as to why someone would target another person just for trying to be who they are and very upsetting. and solar hoping that everybody reacts appropriately. you know, in terms of law enforcement in the school district. and so far it has done a little lackluster to the point where the school is withholding information from the police department and i just i don't want to see it gets swept under the rug and see other kids have to go through this same thing and other parents have to go through the same thing. so i'm trying to be the best parents i can of the trans child or model that and so it's important for me to speak up on the matter. because it's it shouldn't be yeah. that thing what it is and it's notable to hear you say that you think that you're worried about it being swept under the rug and that the school the school is not being entirely forthcoming. >> and cobalt for as i was just hearing your story today, i was just struck by it because one, you're a teenager, you're just going to the bathroom at school and i think for for as much as people talk about who should be using what bathroom. and this discussion, this is something that you actually deal with in your daily life. >> i wonder what that's how you would describe that to people who talk about it and have no idea what it's actually like for you who lives it what would you say it's like? well, as somebody who identifies as non-binary, using the restroom is always been a bit of an issue for me. i try to use any general neutral or family restroom options if they're available but when i'm not given that option, i thought she used the men's restroom because it's what makes everybody around me the least amount of uncomfortable and making other people uncomfortable is something that i tried not to do. it's from one of my worst fears is remarkable to hear you say that that you don't want to make other people uncomfortable well cobalts is super kind and thoughtful and loving and makes it extra sad. >> you know, that she'd be targeted honestly so, you know, it's acceptable the whole transphobia and homophobia thing is in my opinion. so 20th century or it should be a thing of the past and it's clear that the climate is getting worse in this regard with feel really fortunate to live in minnesota. we have a tremendous amount of community support here and we're cobalt feeling very loved but it's you know it's the kids that are there today, aren't safe and we're not sure of cobalt is going to be safe to go back next year so we need to see some changes made margaret you're special data your cobalt. i just want to say thank you again for coming on and sharing your story and i think everyone can agree that all kids should feel safe at school and feel protected there. so i just want to thank you both for being willing to come on and to share your story. i think it means a lot to a lot of people thank you so much for having us i appreciate you taking the time out of your de to 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is more than 8 million viewers each week. for perspective, on his goodbye, my source tonight is another legendary gameshow host. numbers are on who is supposed to hollywood squares. and did it's about the stars, i'm going to keep calling you a legend and tog, but it's great to have you here because it pat's age. i did have this this legendary runaway. he's synonymous with gameshow television. i wonder what you make of him signing off after 41 years well, well, here's the thing. >> i hosted. a midday talk show in boston in the late 80s, early 90s, and pat was one of my guests for an hour and, he, gave me a little insight into what would be my future on hollywood squares. he told me on the show in boston, being a game show host is the best gig you show up in your genes are five suits hanging in the dressing room. you knock off a week's worth of shows, an a day. you do two weeks or shows them two days? then you go home for half a month. >> so he was right by the way so i don't think is really going into retirement, i think for the past 41 years, he's been semi retired anyway because basically you film all of your episodes and was like two days and then you have no days off after that yeah. >> more than several yeah. yeah. we would we're doing hollywood squares. it was so interesting because i think of what pat told me quite often, because i would i go into my dressing room, i dropped that day suit into a ball. there'd be another suit hanging up by 4:00 in the afternoon will be an i in the whole gang we're going to dinner i mean, but i think some people would say that's crazy and they think of you, they watch this on a daily basis. >> they gets daily appointment television to think that you're filming game after game after game in this 48 hour period is quite an interesting way to live. i guess you should say. >> yeah. yeah, and i'll probably be chastised for this because we like to foster the idea that we're working very hard what is it like? what did you admire most about pat? pat sajak and how he he always had this affable way of talking to the audience who was there. you saw his tribute to them, to viewers at home. and i know this is something that was important to you, it's just kinda have this this place where it's not about politics and it's not about the big issues of the day to have this pavan for people yeah, i think what you could see pat doing so well. and again, over 8,000 shows was something that i've whenever students have broadcasting or podcasting or whatever, would talk to me about, well, how do you do it? i said, well, don't think about 8 million people watching you are back on the dancing show 20 or 30. think of one is just one person on the other side of that lens. and i think that's what you could see pat doing very well it was creating that sense of personal intimacy with not 8 million people belong how does it, how does the host know when to walk away, when to make a decision like what pat sajak just made well the chart i think it's almost like an internal sense of timing. >> i know when i was doing. the america's funniest videos show the 25th anniversary of that show coincided with my 15th year of doing it. and that's just the symmetry of that just seemed to work for me that it was time to, as i've said, past the pin yada stick onto somebody else and i was very pleased to do that to alfonso ryan seacrest is going to take over for pat sajak. do you have any advice for him well, i'm just happy it's ryan because the kid needs the work well, he isn't georgia fell ryan is one rioters is sorted from the dick clark mold of producer hosts. >> and i think he just i think he probably throws to commercials and in his private life what are the other secrets of gameshow host? >> so what does it? so few people know what it's like? what is it like well, one of the things and i can only speak from the perspective of hollywood squares, but i remember the first two days we were taping i had these nine celebrities in this massive tic-tac-toe board and i came from a talk show background. >> so we're about three or four shows in and the king brothers were the producers of the show back then and michael king came to me during a break and he said, tom, here, you're doing great. but remember this isn't a talk show these contestants, they want to win stuff. so that little shift in emphasis really got me focus more on the contestants and less on kibitzing with the nine celebrities. that was that was my real object lesson. >> yeah. i'm sure people liked also hearing your back-and-forth that i've it's it's quite a moment for pat sajak. it's great field to talk to you about it. evolved people, tom, thank you for joining us and coming out on your friday night. >> my pleasure. kaitlan, thanks so much. >> great to have you up next. a tiktok star is inputting a name to what a lot of americans are feeling about the economy as it is known as the i this session live session over. and if so, what did we learn from 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because the vibe session is this idea of a disconnect. >> but when you look deeper into the data like structural 40 ability a housing crisis elder care, child care, et cetera. there are real reasons why voters feel bad, but it's really this outsized disconnect. >> but i think people are concerned about like when will people actually start to feel good about the economy? and if they don't feel good in this economy, what economy will they feel good in? >> can you just explain vibe session because there are probably some lotto more like my dad who is what exactly is a vibe session? yeah, it's not necessarily a new concept. it's very similar to keynes. animal spirits. george soros, and reflexivity it's just this idea. as you said, a disconnect between how people feel and what the economic data is saying. so a strong labor market ish, strong economic metrics like gdp, inflation going down. but yet people are feeling bad and what you said there about the numbers that people are feeling and what they're paying attention to because we hear from the white house a lot, they'll say, okay, well, look at what wages are, look at, look at what the job numbers is, look at what the unemployment rate is. >> but but what you just pointed out there, the housing market affordability, those are things that people feel because they're not able to buy a home. they're not able to make these a big life steps that typically they'd be able to take. >> yeah. i think that's kinda why we're seeing this disconnect. i think it's just people feeling like they're not able to even get that first foot on the bottom rung of the ladder and feeling like they don't even know how to climb up so what do you hear from people because you have this, you do this great job of explaining basically this disconnect or breaking down the jobs report for people. what are you often hear from people about what their biggest concerns are? i mean, i hear a lot of frustration. i think a lot of people are frustrated by the housing market the bottom 50% of americans, all their wealth well, this is tied into housing. it's the american dream. and if you look at the top 10% of americans, most of their wealth is an equity and business ownership again, people are looking towards the housing market as a way to gain generational one and that's not really an option right now. and i think a lot of people feel concerned by that. >> and they're not paying as close attention to the stock market or something that lawmakers often look at. >> yeah, and the stock market, there is a live stream today of roaring kitty with gamestop i think people look at the stock market and they're like this is really silly. you like it doesn't even seem real. but it is a great way to gain wealth and a lot of people don't get to participate in that. >> so what numbers do you think people that we should be watching the closest when we look at the cross tabs here. and what this r, what do you think is the sum? what's the real indicator of how people are feeling? >> i think a lot of people are trying to figure that out. what's the difference between anecdote and data but i think what we need to pay attention to is the actual metrics and look at a broad tapestry of metrics like today's jobs report was confusing and you have to look across the board to get a big picture of what's actually going on. so it's really terrible of an answer as it is. you do have to look across all the metrics and kinda take an average of them. >> yeah, it's always fascinating when these jobs reports come out to decipher them and see what they've made kyla great to have you. thank you for coming again. >> before we go tonight, a sneak peek at this week's new episode of the cnn original series, secrets and spies on the world stage president reagan is determined to defeat what he calls the evil empire. but another battle is playing out in the shadows for me becoming as by for the kgb was ideology i am jacqueline bar sky. >> that's not the name i was born with we stole the identity of jaguars kill passed away at the age of 11. now i spent ten years as an illegal undercover agent for the kgb in the united states i was 100% convinced it. communism was the right thing that the world eventually would point up being one happy communist family the fascinating new episode premieres this sunday night at 10:00 p.m. eastern, right here on cnn. >> thank you so much for joining us. have a great weekend. see in a news night with abby, phillip starts right now

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